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[tuppence95]

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Modifié par tuppence95, 19 août 2010 - 06:58 .

[cmessaz]

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Ok, so for dwarf commoners. I think I will make a meeting with sis, after Bhelen is crowned and nothing for Harrowmont? I'm not sure. What does everyone think?

If Harrowmont is crowned Rica disowns you and says you aren't her sister/brother anymore (though she forgives you by the end of the game) so that seems reasonable.

So should I do this? Or would it be better just to do the original Frostback mt walk to be fair to the commoner who wants to put Harrowmont on the throne?

[Yankee23]

cmessaz wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Ok, so for dwarf commoners. I think I will make a meeting with sis, after Bhelen is crowned and nothing for Harrowmont? I'm not sure. What does everyone think?

If Harrowmont is crowned Rica disowns you and says you aren't her sister/brother anymore (though she forgives you by the end of the game) so that seems reasonable.

So should I do this? Or would it be better just to do the original Frostback mt walk to be fair to the commoner who wants to put Harrowmont on the throne?

Well, I've never done the dwarves and I don't want to make it harder on you...but Harrowmont = no Alistair time? Poor DC.

[cmessaz]

Yankee23 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Ok, so for dwarf commoners. I think I will make a meeting with sis, after Bhelen is crowned and nothing for Harrowmont? I'm not sure. What does everyone think?

If Harrowmont is crowned Rica disowns you and says you aren't her sister/brother anymore (though she forgives you by the end of the game) so that seems reasonable.

So should I do this? Or would it be better just to do the original Frostback mt walk to be fair to the commoner who wants to put Harrowmont on the throne?

Well, I've never done the dwarves and I don't want to make it harder on you...but Harrowmont = no Alistair time? Poor DC.

Yeah. See with the CE, I figured if they took the bribe they don't deserve it so to speak. But with this, it doesn't seem fair. I think the frostback mt idea is gonna win out here.

Also! I need more testers that are still actively playing dragon age. I know a lot have moved on to other things. If you are interested please join! IRS testing group

[Soul Reaver]

I need a question answered (I figured I better ask here instead of making a new thread). What's the Awakening epilogue text if you play as a non-human female warden that loved Alistair and made him King (but not married to Anora) and "hardened" him in Origins (so that she's Alistair's "consort" and continue their relationship) ?

On the wiki, it says both of them disappear, but how can Alistair disappear if he's king? Who's king afterwards ?

Modifié par Soul Reaver, 19 août 2010 - 07:19 .

[tuppence95]

cmessaz wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Ok, so for dwarf commoners. I think I will make a meeting with sis, after Bhelen is crowned and nothing for Harrowmont? I'm not sure. What does everyone think?

If Harrowmont is crowned Rica disowns you and says you aren't her sister/brother anymore (though she forgives you by the end of the game) so that seems reasonable.

So should I do this? Or would it be better just to do the original Frostback mt walk to be fair to the commoner who wants to put Harrowmont on the throne?

I haven't tried choosing Harrowmount as a DC, but maybe it would be alright to either leave it out, if that happens?  Seems like just having your sister disown you might not be the time for a romantic moment. 

[Morwen Eledhwen]

tuppence95 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Ok, so for dwarf commoners. I think I will make a meeting with sis, after Bhelen is crowned and nothing for Harrowmont? I'm not sure. What does everyone think?

If Harrowmont is crowned Rica disowns you and says you aren't her sister/brother anymore (though she forgives you by the end of the game) so that seems reasonable.

So should I do this? Or would it be better just to do the original Frostback mt walk to be fair to the commoner who wants to put Harrowmont on the throne?

I haven't tried choosing Harrowmount as a DC, but maybe it would be alright to either leave it out, if that happens?  Seems like just having your sister disown you might not be the time for a romantic moment. 

I chose Harrowmont as a DC and I could really have used a hug (or whatever) after Rica finished screaming at me.

[cmessaz]

I think the frostback mountains after the king is chosen. Any particular requests?

[Sarah1281]

tuppence95 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Ok, so for dwarf commoners. I think I will make a meeting with sis, after Bhelen is crowned and nothing for Harrowmont? I'm not sure. What does everyone think?

If Harrowmont is crowned Rica disowns you and says you aren't her sister/brother anymore (though she forgives you by the end of the game) so that seems reasonable.

So should I do this? Or would it be better just to do the original Frostback mt walk to be fair to the commoner who wants to put Harrowmont on the throne?

I haven't tried choosing Harrowmount as a DC, but maybe it would be alright to either leave it out, if that happens?  Seems like just having your sister disown you might not be the time for a romantic moment. 

Yeah, it would feel kind of weird. Maybe Alistair could comfort her? 

I'm not sure how many people actually do side with Harrowmont on their DC. I mean, I'm sure it happens but given that Rica is happy for once and we know that she saves you from having to be a **** like her and is honestly afraid that she, your mother, and your nephew will be back in Dust Town if Harrowmont is crowned and Harrowmont himself has the same sort of 'casteless aren't people and should never have been born' mentality that most other dwarves with castes have while Bhelen is more progressive I would say that a majority of DCs pick Bhelen.

[cmessaz]

Lol, I'm willing to do either. Whatever you guys think is best. I can do a neutral walk through the outside markets, or introductions to your sister if you side with Bhelen and nothing if you don't. Whichever!

[Gilsa]

@cmessaz -- not sure how you're getting the scenes to trigger, but if the DC goes the Harrowmont route, Rica spawns in different spots depending on whether the DC sided with Harrowmont from the get-go or is playing both sides and thus has access to the royal palace. If DC sides with Harrowmont the whole time, she only sees Rica in the Assembly area and definitely doesn't see the mom at all. If she gets an audience with Bhelen at any point, then Rica should be moved to Bhelen's room along with the mom. Does that make sense? I don't know if that interferes with your video-editing which is why Frostback Mountain might be easier overall.



And the logic of the DC missing out on the romance scenes by siding with Harrowmont (same way city elf misses out if she takes bribe) makes perfect sense, but it's your project so it's your call.



Do you still need in-love saves at Frostback for the DN/DC? I can load up my games and get them in position if needed.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

My reason for choosing Harrowmont as a DC was that I was disgusted with the whole caste system and Bhelen seemed to represent that for me, while Harrowmont and his followers seemed ready to accept the idea that "casteless" dwarves were not some sort of lower life form and could make productive members of society if given a chance. To me, Rica did not "win" or "overcome" her casteless situation by bearing Bhelen's child; she was a victim of Dwarven society as much as anyone else. To me it was all the more pathetic that not only was her becoming Bhelen's concubine the only way for her to have a decent life as a casteless Dwarf, but that the successful conclusion of her campaign to acquire a noble "patron" was a source of pride and a joyous occasion not only for her, but for the whole family and anyone attached to it. Yes, I knew that by choosing Harrowmont over Bhelen (though I would have preferred to avoid killing him for Rica's sake if possible) I would most likely find myself cut off from my family, but I felt that if Harrowmont could actually institute some reform and end that cycle of hopelessness, crime and squalor that define the lives of Casteless dwarves as a whole, it would have been worth it. Also, what if Rica had had a girl instead of a boy? She would have been casteless and the cycle would have started all over again. . .

Still, the actual scene of being screamed at by Rica was pretty tough and I could have used some "comfort" time with Alistair afterwards.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 19 août 2010 - 07:36 .

[cmessaz]

Gilsa wrote...

@cmessaz -- not sure how you're getting the scenes to trigger, but if the DC goes the Harrowmont route, Rica spawns in different spots depending on whether the DC sided with Harrowmont from the get-go or is playing both sides and thus has access to the royal palace. If DC sides with Harrowmont the whole time, she only sees Rica in the Assembly area and definitely doesn't see the mom at all. If she gets an audience with Bhelen at any point, then Rica should be moved to Bhelen's room along with the mom. Does that make sense? I don't know if that interferes with your video-editing which is why Frostback Mountain might be easier overall.

And the logic of the DC missing out on the romance scenes by siding with Harrowmont (same way city elf misses out if she takes bribe) makes perfect sense, but it's your project so it's your call.

Do you still need in-love saves at Frostback for the DN/DC? I can load up my games and get them in position if needed.

I need romance active but any approval level.

Ok, I can link the scene the rica, only available after bhelen is king? I have researched this and is very doable. Is that acceptable? If I have time before Saturday after I finish Dwarf noble, then I may go back and do at least something for CE bribe takers, and the commonor who sides with Harrowmont. Sound good?

[Gilsa]

cmessaz wrote...

I need romance active but any approval level.

OK, I'll send you the files in a bit.

Ok, I can link the scene the rica, only available after bhelen is king? I have researched this and is very doable. Is that acceptable? If I have time before Saturday after I finish Dwarf noble, then I may go back and do at least something for CE bribe takers, and the commonor who sides with Harrowmont. Sound good?

Perfect!

Modifié par Gilsa, 19 août 2010 - 07:38 .

[cmessaz]

Gilsa wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I need romance active but any approval level.

OK, I'll send you the files in a bit.

Ok, I can link the scene the rica, only available after bhelen is king? I have researched this and is very doable. Is that acceptable? If I have time before Saturday after I finish Dwarf noble, then I may go back and do at least something for CE bribe takers, and the commonor who sides with Harrowmont. Sound good?

Perfect!

On it!

edit: I forgot I do need "in love" all LI, male and female dwarves at the Gnawed Noble Tavern >.<

Modifié par cmessaz, 19 août 2010 - 07:41 .

[Addai]

Soul Reaver wrote...

I need a question answered (I figured I better ask here instead of making a new thread). What's the Awakening epilogue text if you play as a non-human female warden that loved Alistair and made him King (but not married to Anora) and "hardened" him in Origins (so that she's Alistair's "consort" and continue their relationship) ?

On the wiki, it says both of them disappear, but how can Alistair disappear if he's king? Who's king afterwards ?

He does leave with you, and no there is no explanation about what's up with the kingship.  There's no explanation for a lot of things in Awakening epilogues.  I wouldn't let it peel your pear too much.

You're actually not his consort, BTW, which is a legal term for his wife so only applies to a fCousland who made herself queen.

[Gilsa]

I have an in-love male dwarf with Morrigan. I'll see if I can go back to an earlier save to trigger Leliana. Zevran might be trickier since his "in love" is so late in the game and I don't recall if I've kept him on permanent friend status for that game. Will check.

[cmessaz]

Gilsa wrote...

I have an in-love male dwarf with Morrigan. I'll see if I can go back to an earlier save to trigger Leliana. Zevran might be trickier since his "in love" is so late in the game and I don't recall if I've kept him on permanent friend status for that game. Will check.

You are awesome

[Addai]

Oh, re Awakening epilogue with a mistress ending, here were my screens.  Esra was chancellor, Alistair solo king and she remained his mistress.  It could vary depending on what answer you give Anders about what you'll do afterwards, or so I've heard?

[Sarah1281]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

My reason for choosing Harrowmont as a DC was that I was disgusted with the whole caste system and Bhelen seemed to represent that for me, while Harrowmont and his followers seemed ready to accept the idea that "casteless" dwarves were not some sort of lower life form and could make productive members of society if given a chance. To me, Rica did not "win" or "overcome" her casteless situation by bearing Bhelen's child; she was a victim of Dwarven society as much as anyone else. To me it was all the more pathetic that not only was her becoming Bhelen's concubine the only way for her to have a decent life as a casteless Dwarf, but that the successful conclusion of her campaign to acquire a noble "patron" was a source of pride and a joyous occasion not only for her, but for the whole family and anyone attached to it. Yes, I knew that by choosing Harrowmont over Bhelen (though I would have preferred to avoid killing him for Rica's sake if possible) I would most likely find myself cut off from my family, but I felt that if Harrowmont could actually institute some reform and end that cycle of hopelessness, crime and squalor that define the lives of Casteless dwarves as a whole, it would have been worth it. Also, what if Rica had had a girl instead of a boy? She would have been casteless and the cycle would have started all over again. . .

Still, the actual scene of being screamed at by Rica was pretty tough and I could have used some "comfort" time with Alistair afterwards.

I think you misunderstood the situation. I hate that Rica's 'happy ending' is so, well, mediocre but Bhelen is the voice of reform. The more traditional dwarves wouldn't even go have a child with a casteless woman at all. If you side with Bhelen and return to Dust Town you see two thugs talking about Bhelen allowing dwarves to fight. The epilogue tells you that Bhelen grants the casteless greater rights in exchange for military service (which is also new) and has to deal with assassination attempts because of it. Bhelen treats Rica so much better than other nobles treat their noble hunter that she's just so amazed that he treats her like a person, there's a rumor going around that he intends to marry her, and people talk about how scandalous it is that she's spent so much time in the palace.

Harrowmont, on the other hand, is the voice of tradition. He's a good man but tradtion is more important to him than most things and if you mention your casteless status to the Shaper he tells you all about how you've never been to Orzammar as a  non-Warden because you don't exist, casteless are abominations, they should never have been born, since they were born they should have died young...Also, if you give Harrowmont the Anvil he uses it to make stricter caste restrictions. If he doesn't have the Anvil he only manages to isolate Orzammar more.

If you're trying to help the casteless, you need to side with Bhelen. He's the reformer, he's the one giving people hope, he may be evil but he is also determined to save Orzammar from being choked by its obsession with tradition and throwing away so much of its population.

[Hilde]

cmessaz wrote...

Hilde wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Soooo...is anyone good at making morphs in the toolset? Thats something I fail at.

Who did you need?

Hawke!

This was the closest I could get to in the toolset. I do not have his new hair though....

Modifié par Hilde, 01 septembre 2010 - 12:46 .

[cmessaz]

Hilde- not bad!

[Yankee23]

Hilde wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Hilde wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

Soooo...is anyone good at making morphs in the toolset? Thats something I fail at.

Who did you need?

Hawke!

This was the closest I could get to in the toolset. I do not have his new hair though....

[snip]
[snip]

Hey, that's not bad.

[mellifera]

Nice Hawke, but I suppose you're gonna get some frowny faces in here >.>

[Addai]

Posting for Zyanic via Twitter discussion, a sexy Cailan fanart by sweetfoxy7.  And it's in Alistair's thread because the genes are strong.

Modifié par Addai67, 19 août 2010 - 08:13 .