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[Giggles_Manically]

yukidama wrote...

Well, I guess if they're compelled by Archie. I just don't really see them having the thought process by themselves to be like "It'd really freak them out if we started hanging people!" I dunno.

This is my theory:

[Maria13]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Not really, if Archie is controlling them.  I've often wondered about the monuments they set up and the trophies, Cailan being the big daddy there.  I wonder if it is sort of echo feedback from when they were Tevinters.

What I found interesting is their crescent symbol. Now of course my first reaction was raising an eyebrow as the crescent is commonly associated with my religion. But of course the crescent is a symbol that long predates it and holy symbols were in fact frowned upon by the faith, so it only became associated with us when the Turks took it up.

Anyways, the crescent, in our own human history, is a very old symbol that near Eastern civilisations used. I think it is possible that the Crescent might have been a Tevinter symbol in the DA setting.

Interestingly enough, the symbol of Dragon's Peak is Ferelden is thishttp://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/File:H_luscana_0.png%3C/a%3E

Key word is Dragon, which we know the Tevinters admired. It is entirely possible that Dragon's Peak's symbol is a vestige of the Tevinter Imperium.

And if that is indeed the case, then the Darkspawn using the Crescent symbol might be a conscious or subconscious (more likely) attempt to identify with their past.
Speculation, but interesting!

Well as you say the crescent is an extremely old symbol, pre-abrahamic anyway.  I would say its usage has a lot to do with being able to tell the passage of time and the seasons which would be necessary for man to exercise some basic control over his environment.

Modifié par Maria13, 19 octobre 2010 - 05:41 .

[Maria13]

Briiel wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Briiel wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

I honestly doubt he would succeed. Not only is the Divine in Orlais, but the Chantry itself is a bloody large cult...ehm...religious establishment. One King would not get far by trying to minimize their power and by the looks of it, as soon as something happens that they don't like (e.g. building a Circle in Orzammar) they consider doing Exalted Marches.

One King can change alot ! King Henry the 8th took out catholisim in England . Well not completely out but he lessened there hold on what could be done in England. Course he was a tyrant

Right, that is the difference.  Alistair is not a Bhelen, and thankfully not.  Henry VIII was actually milder than some of his children.

That's certainly news to me. Henry VIII butchered more people than any of his children.

His Daughter Queen Mary killed people for not being catholics. She was said to be more of a tyrant than her father and tried to put  Catholisim back into England . She beheaded or slaughtered people for having different beliefs than her.

My father who was Spanish used to say that at least you knew where you stood with the Catholic church whereas in England, prior to Henry VIII persecuted for not being catholic, ditto early Henry VIII, later Henry VIII persecuted for being papists, Edward VII, ditto, Mary I persecuted for being protestants, Elizabeth I persecuted fro being catholic....

[Addai]

yukidama wrote...

Well, I guess if they're compelled by Archie. I just don't really see them having the thought process by themselves to be like "It'd really freak them out if we started hanging people!" I dunno.

I'm thinking about one of the creepiest moments of the game, when you're picking up Dog as a non-noble and the alpha hurlock looks at you and draws his hand across his throat.  It seems they have some primitive instincts of terror/ mayhem.  But I'm sure the hanging people are for atmosphere!

@KoP, since the crescent symbol was also used in Byzantium and Rome generally, it would make sense for the Tevinters to use it.  I bet the Fereldans took over more Tevinter stuff than they even remember doing.  Sort of like Romanized Britain.  That was also my speculation about the wyvern in Gwaren.

[Briiel]

yeah they all killed people for not believing like they did.

[Addai]

Persephone wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Briiel wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

I honestly doubt he would succeed. Not only is the Divine in Orlais, but the Chantry itself is a bloody large cult...ehm...religious establishment. One King would not get far by trying to minimize their power and by the looks of it, as soon as something happens that they don't like (e.g. building a Circle in Orzammar) they consider doing Exalted Marches.

One King can change alot ! King Henry the 8th took out catholisim in England . Well not completely out but he lessened there hold on what could be done in England. Course he was a tyrant

Right, that is the difference.  Alistair is not a Bhelen, and thankfully not.  Henry VIII was actually milder than some of his children.

That's certainly news to me. Henry VIII butchered more people than any of his children.

He had a longer reign than Mary or Edward, but his son and both his daughters racked up an impressive body count on their various sides of the religious divide.  Edit:  By milder I mean that he did not enforce religious conformity as brutally or as systematically as his children did.  He probably did have a higher body count because of the rebellions in the north, but later on in his reign he scaled back on persecution of Catholics.

Modifié par Addai67, 19 octobre 2010 - 05:44 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...
@KoP, since the crescent symbol was also used in Byzantium and Rome generally, it would make sense for the Tevinters to use it.  I bet the Fereldans took over more Tevinter stuff than they even remember doing.  Sort of like Romanized Britain.  That was also my speculation about the wyvern in Gwaren.

I think the symbol originated from the Middle East, but yes Byzantium definately used it and that's where the Turks got it from. I didn't know Rome, or at least the western Roman Empire, did but it's entirely possible.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
@KoP, since the crescent symbol was also used in Byzantium and Rome generally, it would make sense for the Tevinters to use it.  I bet the Fereldans took over more Tevinter stuff than they even remember doing.  Sort of like Romanized Britain.  That was also my speculation about the wyvern in Gwaren.

I think the symbol originated from the Middle East, but yes Byzantium definately used it and that's where the Turks got it from. I didn't know Rome, or at least the western Roman Empire, did but it's entirely possible.

And just to throw another kink in the works?  The way the darkspawn adorn statues reminds me of this figure in the Dalish camp.  Those Arlathan elves were into something hinky, I'm telling you.



And to bring it on topic, some more elven kink. 



I know I'm mixing Tuesday and Thursday.  No new RDTs for me.

Modifié par Addai67, 19 octobre 2010 - 05:56 .

[Skyl4rk]

Addai67 wrote...

yukidama wrote...

Psychological warfare? Aren't they supposed to be mindless at this point?

Not really, if Archie is controlling them.  I've often wondered about the monuments they set up and the trophies, Cailan being the big daddy there.  I wonder if it is sort of echo feedback from when they were Tevinters.

*Kept pic for reference
Funny, I never saw it as a crescent symbol. I always thought that it resembled horns (i.e. dragons, archie...Flemeth in DA2.)

@ Addai: Yeah, I noticed that too.  And it's holding a staff (or maybe it's a spear)...Call me crazy but I immediately thought of Flemeth when I saw it.

Modifié par Skyl4rk, 19 octobre 2010 - 06:01 .

[tmp7704]

errant_knight wrote...

I'm a little confused by this, so I translated in my head as 'it's hard', which I can totally accept. Oh, wait. I just got it. because this is the underwear, you could replace the bottoms with the pants, and on women you can replace the bra--but there's no bra on the male model, so...hard. Is that right?

Yeah, more or less   to explain it better, for women it's possible to reuse commoner outfit to make some sort of undershirt from it, like this (pardon crude photoshop)



this may need some tweaking so the bottom edge is lower maybe and whatnot, and obviously it isn't exactly a shirt, but can somewhat work as undershirt instead of the silly bra thing. For the males though, there isn't really any commoner or other outfit that'd resemble a shirt and just a shirt that could be reused in similar way. Closest it can get is this:



but as you can see it comes with a vest, so it'd either stay like this or that vest would have to be edited and then painted over to look like the rest of shirt and that's... difficult.

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Addai.

Yep I noticed that too. There is also mention of "forgotten ones" in Elven religion that were locked up by the fall of Arlathan in a way similar to how old Gods were locked up by the Maker.

Interesting stuff.

[errant_knight]

tmp7704 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I'm a little confused by this, so I translated in my head as 'it's hard', which I can totally accept. Oh, wait. I just got it. because this is the underwear, you could replace the bottoms with the pants, and on women you can replace the bra--but there's no bra on the male model, so...hard. Is that right?

Yeah, more or less   to explain it better, for women it's possible to reuse commoner outfit to make some sort of undershirt from it, like this (pardon crude photoshop)

*snip*

this may need some tweaking so the bottom edge is lower maybe and whatnot, and obviously it isn't exactly a shirt, but can somewhat work as undershirt instead of the silly bra thing. For the males though, there isn't really any commoner or other outfit that'd resemble a shirt and just a shirt that could be reused in similar way. Closest it can get is this:



but as you can see it comes with a vest, so it'd either stay like this or that vest would have to be edited and then painted over to look like the rest of shirt and that's... difficult.

Thanks for explaining! And with examples, too! Y'know, if this doesn't involve manipulation of a mesh, but is entirely texture related, I might be able to help with this. I know my way around photoshop pretty well. And that would only be fair, since I'm the one pushing for it. In fact, anytime you want some of that stuff done for your mods, and don't feel like you have time to do it yourself, feel free to toss it my way.

Don't hate the vest in priciple, although it's a pretty weird shape. I'd probably try and do something about that, if I was to go in there....

Modifié par errant_knight, 19 octobre 2010 - 06:17 .

[tmp7704]

errant_knight wrote...

Don't hate the vest in priciple, although it's a pretty weird shape.

Think it's pretty normal as far as they go, for sleeveless and loose piece of leather anyway. Just happens to be in the way if one wanted just the shirt

[FFZero]

Ooo like the looks of things tmp, also like errant_knight as long as it doesn't involve mesh tweaking I'd be happy to help out with the textures, I've been doing some texture work for DahliaLynn's wedding mod and as long as I have a basic 'blueprint' so to speak to go from I can do a complete reskin which in this case may be a bit easier.

[Yankee23]

FFZero wrote...

Ooo like the looks of things tmp, also like errant_knight as long as it doesn't involve mesh tweaking I'd be happy to help out with the textures, I've been doing some texture work for DahliaLynn's wedding mod and as long as I have a basic 'blueprint' so to speak to go from I can do a complete reskin which in this case may be a bit easier.

"Some"  texture work?? You are too modest.

@Tmp...I like them both! Just please don't replace the just PANTS!

Modifié par Yankee23, 19 octobre 2010 - 06:38 .

[Tigress M]

MageTarot wrote...
Thanks for the warning, Tigress. At least now I won't think I did something wrong when one or the other (but not both) shows up on my Ali.

I don't know if you're still struggling with this or not, but I found it to be simpler to install natural bodies 1.0 and then just replace the specific files I wanted to change, manually.  For example, I grabbed the Theseus files from Realistic Look and followed the readme which told me exactly which files needed to be replaced in nb1.0.  I did this instead of d/ling the NB all in one and it's worked flawlessly.  

The result is... delicious!  
 
Alistair:  Something on your mind?
PC:  *Gulp* You could say that.  

[Briiel]

Tigress M wrote...

MageTarot wrote...
Thanks for the warning, Tigress. At least now I won't think I did something wrong when one or the other (but not both) shows up on my Ali.

I don't know if you're still struggling with this or not, but I found it to be simpler to install natural bodies 1.0 and then just replace the specific files I wanted to change, manually.  For example, I grabbed the Theseus files from Realistic Look and followed the readme which told me exactly which files needed to be replaced in nb1.0.  I did this instead of d/ling the NB all in one and it's worked flawlessly.  

The result is... delicious!  
 
Alistair:  Something on your mind?
PC:  *Gulp* You could say that.  

this was to epic to pass up !! or snip !!<3:wub:

[Tigress M]

errant_knight wrote...
Not saying he doesn't look very nice, but...it's chilly--look, they have a giant fire, and he's always warming his hands, so he's got to be a bit cold.... I mean, brrrr. And that's not even getting into the mosquito issue....

Now errant... I know you are perfectly capable of coming up with ways to warm him up.  I've seen the pics! 

[errant_knight]

tmp7704 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Don't hate the vest in priciple, although it's a pretty weird shape.

Think it's pretty normal as far as they go, for sleeveless and loose piece of leather anyway. Just happens to be in the way if one wanted just the shirt

Heh, I just think the bit at the shoulders is a little weird, like there were sleeves and someone cut them off, instead of having the vest end where the shoulder seem would go. In order to sew this, you would have to sew  a strip of cloth around the arm hole. It's a little odd. Or eighties. Or something.

My only reason for particularly want ing 'just a shirt' was the notion of creating something that resembled a medieval gambeson, but I now realize that would be very difficult to do, so all I really want is something were the characters can look comfortable and practical at the same time. Doesn't mean I don't see myself using the shirtless version, too. That's going to came in very handy for illustrating my story in one scene, and also just as something practical to wear under armor, but as something to wear around camp, a vest is fine. I'm very grateful for all your fine work!

[errant_knight]

Tigress M wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Not saying he doesn't look very nice, but...it's chilly--look, they have a giant fire, and he's always warming his hands, so he's got to be a bit cold.... I mean, brrrr. And that's not even getting into the mosquito issue....

Now errant... I know you are perfectly capable of coming up with ways to warm him up.  I've seen the pics! 

Lol! Yeah, but they can't do that ALL the time, much as they might like to try.

[Skyl4rk]

errant_knight wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Not saying he doesn't look very nice, but...it's chilly--look, they have a giant fire, and he's always warming his hands, so he's got to be a bit cold.... I mean, brrrr. And that's not even getting into the mosquito issue....

Now errant... I know you are perfectly capable of coming up with ways to warm him up.  I've seen the pics! 

Lol! Yeah, but they can't do that ALL the time, much as they might like to try.

Why not?! Warden endurance...Hello!

[errant_knight]

Skyl4rk wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Not saying he doesn't look very nice, but...it's chilly--look, they have a giant fire, and he's always warming his hands, so he's got to be a bit cold.... I mean, brrrr. And that's not even getting into the mosquito issue....

Now errant... I know you are perfectly capable of coming up with ways to warm him up.  I've seen the pics! 

Lol! Yeah, but they can't do that ALL the time, much as they might like to try.

Why not?! Warden endurance...Hello!

Well, there needs to be time for eating and fighting, too. All the good things in life!

[Tigress M]

@Briiel -- LOL! Glad you liked it. Hubby was not so impressed. His exact comment was, "Oh sure, make Alistair look more like me, with SV's voice... just what I need."

@Errant -- I know, I know. But I will confess, I often find myself half-way through a map thinking, "dagnabit, I sure wish we could hurry up and get back to camp!"

[Lady Jess]

tmp7704 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

I'm a little confused by this, so I translated in my head as 'it's hard', which I can totally accept. Oh, wait. I just got it. because this is the underwear, you could replace the bottoms with the pants, and on women you can replace the bra--but there's no bra on the male model, so...hard. Is that right?

Yeah, more or less   to explain it better, for women it's possible to reuse commoner outfit to make some sort of undershirt from it, like this (pardon crude photoshop)



this may need some tweaking so the bottom edge is lower maybe and whatnot, and obviously it isn't exactly a shirt, but can somewhat work as undershirt instead of the silly bra thing. For the males though, there isn't really any commoner or other outfit that'd resemble a shirt and just a shirt that could be reused in similar way.

Ohh I like that shirt the way it is!  It's perfect!

The shirt and vest on Alistair looks ok too, but good lord just the pants and no shirt...I could lay flowers at your feet for that one! You are the master /bows

[tmp7704]

errant_knight wrote...

Heh, I just think the bit at the shoulders is a little weird, like there were sleeves and someone cut them off, instead of having the vest end where the shoulder seem would go. In order to sew this, you would have to sew  a strip of cloth around the arm hole. It's a little odd. Or eighties. Or something.

Well, they have to make it look medieval somehow

for the gambeson thing, if pictures are anything to go by



then it seems it'd be more practical to just reskin the basic commoner clothes, maybe with some small tweak to the bottom part of the shirt so it looks less like flaps. But that's something for someone comfortable with photoshop and texturing, to try.