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[tuppence95]

The civil differences of opinions and debates, in my opinion, make this forum so interesting.  We've been able to debate a lot of different issues without getting hostile.  And I've learned a lot from it.  KoP has been an active part of this forum since long before I came out of lurk mode, and I've never seen him be disrespectful to anyone.  He has strong opinions and he's not afraid to let anyone know them, but he is also very willing to listen to the opinions of others.

If this were strictly a "Gush" forum and all we did was talk about how sexy Alistair is and post pictures of him, it would get pretty boring here.

I'm glad we have such a variety of people.  

*edit ToP

Modifié par tuppence95, 20 octobre 2010 - 03:58 .

[LadyDamodred]

*headdesks repeatedly*



*runs to Alistair*



Kiss it better!

[Briiel]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

tuppence95 wrote...

Let's not lose another member.  I think Grumpy left because of that last really heated argument here.  KoP better stick around!

It will take much much more than that for you to get  rid of me

It had better because we still need a Arcturus head morph for Alistair

[mellifera]

Bah, the gush thread without our good friend KoP would be boring and one I'd like to be even less a part of! :3

[Maria13]

I accept other's opinions but what find really, really upsetting is that people come to this thread to attack Alistair. I come here in large part to get away from that. There's other places they can do that. I also don't see a true apology when the other person is just being cynical ("patronize" in inverted commas, anyone?).

[Briiel]

inclemency wrote...

I think it's time to take a break...this Maria person is bad for my health, my pins are hurting since I tried to jerk my head in outrage....grrr

Don't hurt yourself 

[mellifera]

Lalalaaa

[Briiel]

@Tuppence: DAWWWW!!! Ali and Puppy !!

[Maria13]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Inclemency. I don't need an apology, but thanks for insisting.

@ Maria



Good enough? 

It rocks.  And thank you...

[tuppence95]

Maria13 wrote...

I accept other's opinions but what find really, really upsetting is that people come to this thread to attack Alistair. I come here in large part to get away from that. There's other places they can do that. I also don't see a true apology when the other person is just being cynical ("patronize" in inverted commas, anyone?).

From what I've seen, people who come here just to attack Alistair are usually either dealt with quickly or totally ignored.

Maria, I don't know you at all.  I know you are a talented writer, and you've been a member here for longer than I have.  I hate to get confrontational, but I frankly don't see why KoP owes you an apology.  It seems like you came here and attacked him in a nasty way for things that I didn't see him do.  Have you tried apologizing for that?

*edit ... and of course I took too long to type this, and it looks like you are feeling less adversarial now.  So I hope I haven't added fuel to a dying fire.  But I don't believe in deleting what I've already said, so I'll let it stand.  

Modifié par tuppence95, 20 octobre 2010 - 04:05 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

edit: nvm. The pic I posted did it

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 20 octobre 2010 - 04:05 .

[AnniLau]

errant_knight wrote...

Really? Again?
Oh.
'Kay....
Alistair is not only betrayed by the person he loves/cares for (in many playthroughs) , but by the only surviving warden, who was also at Ostagar, the one person in the world whom he thinks can understand completely. None of the companions back him up, Eamon and Teagan don't. Not a single noble does. As far as he's concerned, the whole lot have spat on the memory of Duncan and the wardens, care nothing for justice, and have no loyalty, not to him, not to the wardens, and not to Cailan.

He simply can't stay and watch as Loghain is elevated in spite of everything. He can't fight alongside him and call him brother, he can't stand the sight of anyone who was part of this, and if he stays, he'd end up fighting with someone who was. He wants no part of it or any of them.

They've negated everything he's done, and everything he cares about, and to him none of them think he matters at all so...have at it, a-holes. He'd end up regreting not fighting the blight, but not his contempt for the whole lot, and he wouldn't regret it for some time. They still have the same number of wardens as they had before, so it's not like he was leaving them defenseless. Things were exactly the same as they were before the Landsmeet, except everyong he knew had chosen Loghain over him and everything he believes to be true. If he'd been the only warden, I suspect things might have been different, although I have no idea how he would have brought himself to stomach it.

And that's all I have to say about that.

I adore Alistair and, before I actually made this choice, I would have been with you. I completely understand Alistair being angry and stomping out of the Landsmeet in the heat of the moment, but if they were close at all, he still should have trusted his fellow Warden enough to talk to at least him or her before leaving altogether.

Personally, I blame game mechanics...they had to have an either/or result, so they made Alistair behave in a way that negated his entire friendship/romance with the PC.

[LadyDamodred]

I know better than to do this, I really do, but...



KoP and I have gone head-to-head on this issue more times than I can possible count. We are like polar opposites here and have engaged in more debate that I can remember. Yet, as much as I'm sure we've infuriated each other, we've always managed to keep it civil, and even reach some sort of understanding on the positions the other holds.



Through it all, we've never descended into an actual fight. No one should have to apologize for holding an opinion, and for the most part, KoP is careful to couch his comments as coming from his perspective. He knows this is the Alistair gush thread, and is mindful of that. He's been here for a long time, and most people know the particular niche he fills.



Now, I understand why some of what he says can get your back up. It's happened to everyone here at some point. But telling him to leave or that he shouldn't be here, or that he should apologize for holding an opinion, crosses a line for me. Just let this go. You're both adults and if you're going to irriate each other, just ignore comments from them. Problem solved.

[errant_knight]

Maybe everyone should take a step back. Flaying one person in the name of another doesn't help one bit, especially when both those parties are letting bygones be bygones.

Here's Alistair to make it all better:

Modifié par errant_knight, 20 octobre 2010 - 04:08 .

[Tigress M]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
It will take much much more than that for you to get  rid of me

Woot!  'Cause where else would get such lovely tidbits like "Aaaaaarrrrggghhh!"???  

[tuppence95]

errant_knight wrote...

Here's Alistair to make it all better:
*snip

    
Thanks!  We haven't been seeing enough of your pictures lately!

[Lady Jess]

Maria13 wrote...

I accept other's opinions but what find really, really upsetting is that people come to this thread to attack Alistair. I come here in large part to get away from that. There's other places they can do that. I also don't see a true apology when the other person is just being cynical ("patronize" in inverted commas, anyone?).

KoP has been around this thread since well before the old one was shut down. He has been responsible for some of our BEST discussions and even helped ME see things differently in parts of the game. The thread gets mighty boring when it is 100% OMG SCREENSHOT OMG ALISTAIR WEEE SQUEEE worship all the time. I, and many others actually ENJOY discussions, deep discussions, intelligent discussions, and many of them have been enjoyed with KoP because opposing viewpoint  WITHOUT being a troll about it.. Not ONCE have I found him patronizing, or rude, or trollish. And I have gone head to head with him a few times. I also have probably one of the fastest and worst tempers in here. And he JUST said a few pages back he doesn't hate Alistair, never has.

Might I remind you it is quite difficult to guage tone in type? And if you had been conversing with KoP longer than just today, you'd know that he is not cynical and patronizing at all. He is very gentlemanly and for lack of a better word formal.

[debbiepuff]

Hi! 
I love Alistair and I love these dresses.   
Where do they come from?

inclemency wrote...

Here's an Alistair and the 'girls' shot, with mystery date off to the side. My PC and Morrigan are usually BFFs.

Omg, I missed what Maria said.  Maria, don't ever say that to a welcome friend.  I can see saying that to some troll who infiltrated the board, but to a friend?  I don't think so and do expect an apology to be forthcoming.  Thank you, thank you so much.

[Maria13]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

edit: nvm. The pic I posted did it

It did. Sorry RL is a bit ****ty at the moment and sometimes I come here just to get away...

[Tigress M]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
*snip*
Good enough? 

That was very nice! 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Tigress M wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
It will take much much more than that for you to get  rid of me

Woot!  'Cause where else would get such lovely tidbits like "Aaaaaarrrrggghhh!"???  

lol Yea, that's the gist of what I contribute here. Weirdness.

@ LD
Thanks, I was afraid our last discussion that bordered on arguing, made you think less of me.

[Briiel]

Tigress M wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
It will take much much more than that for you to get  rid of me

Woot!  'Cause where else would get such lovely tidbits like "Aaaaaarrrrggghhh!"???  

Don't forget the noises !!! and how he tried to explain them !!:whistle:*giggles*

[Giggles_Manically]

I went and Vanguard Charged some collectors so I missed the ruckus.

Happy Alistair post:

[KnightofPhoenix]

Maria13 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

edit: nvm. The pic I posted did it

It did. Sorry RL is a bit ****ty at the moment and sometimes I come here just to get away...

Don't worry about it. I come here to get away too. Like to get away from the fact that I have an exam today and tomorrow, which I should be studying for

[mellifera]

*snickers*