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[errant_knight]

tuppence95 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Here's Alistair to make it all better:
*snip

    
Thanks!  We haven't been seeing enough of your pictures lately!

Been writing like mad, trying to get my story finished.... But there will be a whole new bunch of pictures to illustrate it.

Modifié par errant_knight, 20 octobre 2010 - 04:16 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Lady Jess

Thank you.

But I think the point has come across and we can all drop it now.

[LadyDamodred]

errant_knight wrote...

Maybe everyone should take a step back. Flaying one person in the name of another doesn't help one bit, especially when both those parties are letting bygones be bygones.

Here's Alistair to make it all better:

Awww, Alistair has a sad!  Or Lis has a sad and so Alistair has a sad, too!

But they make it all better.  Hehe.

[Maria13]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Lady Jess
Thank you.
But I think the point has come across and we can all drop it now.

Best Wynne voice: "You need to go study... Young man!"

[Tigress M]

AnniLau wrote...
I adore Alistair and, before I actually made this choice, I would have been with you. I completely understand Alistair being angry and stomping out of the Landsmeet in the heat of the moment, but if they were close at all, he still should have trusted his fellow Warden enough to talk to at least him or her before leaving altogether.

The thing to keep in mind is that Alistair knows nothing of how a true relationship works.  Nothing.  And as for trust, what's that gotten him?  Sent to the Chantry by the closest thing to a father he'd ever known just because the Arl's wife disapproved of having him around.  Losing the second father figure in his life thanks to Loghain's betrayal (whether or not it really was a betrayal is irrelevant... from Alistair's view there was no doubt Loghain betrayed the King and the Wardens).  And now, the first person he has ever loved is siding with his worst enemy.  

He has no basis for how to deal with that.  We learn, through experience, how to interact with those around us, which is why few of us get it right in our first clumsy attempts at dating/romance.  He has absolutely no knowledge to draw from except a life full of disappointment and betrayal by those he thought he knew and trusted.  

[Lady Jess]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

@ Lady Jess
Thank you.
But I think the point has come across and we can all drop it now.

I was typing and got distracted by furry bodies and a "can you edit and print this for me babe?" phone call and by the time I finished, well you know:unsure:

[rak72]

I think it's very wise of Alistair to ditch the Wardens if you take Loghain. He abandoned them on the field once, leaving them to be slaughtered by the darkspawn. Whats to stop him from doing the doing so again and taking his armies with him. If its ok for Lohain not to want to go on a suicide mission at the beginning of the game, how can you criticize Alistair for the same at the end of the game.

[errant_knight]

Tigress M wrote...

AnniLau wrote...
I adore Alistair and, before I actually made this choice, I would have been with you. I completely understand Alistair being angry and stomping out of the Landsmeet in the heat of the moment, but if they were close at all, he still should have trusted his fellow Warden enough to talk to at least him or her before leaving altogether.

The thing to keep in mind is that Alistair knows nothing of how a true relationship works.  Nothing.  And as for trust, what's that gotten him?  Sent to the Chantry by the closest thing to a father he'd ever known just because the Arl's wife disapproved of having him around.  Losing the second father figure in his life thanks to Loghain's betrayal (whether or not it really was a betrayal is irrelevant... from Alistair's view there was no doubt Loghain betrayed the King and the Wardens).  And now, the first person he has ever loved is siding with his worst enemy.  

He has no basis for how to deal with that.  We learn, through experience, how to interact with those around us, which is why few of us get it right in our first clumsy attempts at dating/romance.  He has absolutely no knowledge to draw from except a life full of disappointment and betrayal by those he thought he knew and trusted.  

And trust can be irrevocably broken for even experienced people. It happens all the time, sadly. Things happen that are deal breakers. ie infidelity, etc. And this is WAY worse to Alistair than cheating.

Modifié par errant_knight, 20 octobre 2010 - 04:48 .

[Briiel]

AWWWW *sniffles* Ali would just have to make that puppy dog face and I would be bawling!

[DahliaLynn]

Hmmm..
Seeing how the thread seems to be very active lately,
Would you guys mind helping me decide upon a default wedding dress? In all honesty, this and one other small thing is all that stands between my releasing the Wedding Scene.
If there's an interest, I'll post pics

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 20 octobre 2010 - 04:46 .

[rak72]

DahliaLynn wrote...

Hmmm..
Seeing how the thread seems to be very active lately,
Would you guys mind helping me decide upon a default wedding dress? In all honestly, this and one other small thing is all that stands between my releasing the Wedding Scene.

Where do we vote!

[Maria13]

Please post, nothing like a wedding...

[DahliaLynn]

vote? That gives me an idea. I'll post the pics on my project site, then list the dresses in a poll, then I suppose you can vote anonymously if you choose

what do you think?

[errant_knight]

DahliaLynn wrote...

vote? That gives me an idea. I'll post the pics on my project site, then list the dresses in a poll, then I suppose you can vote anonymously if you choose
what do you think?

Fun!

[Schratty]

Here's something I've been wondering... in the land of hypotheticals, if Alistair had not been rescued from the Chantry by Duncan, would he have developed into Cullen v 2.0? They seem to have some similarities personality-wise (at least it seems that way...to me, anyway). Just curious.

[DahliaLynn]

errant_knight wrote...

DahliaLynn wrote...

vote? That gives me an idea. I'll post the pics on my project site, then list the dresses in a poll, then I suppose you can vote anonymously if you choose
what do you think?

Fun!

I'll get one up in a few minutes :wizard:

[Briiel]

Schratty wrote...

Here's something I've been wondering... in the land of hypotheticals, if Alistair had not been rescued from the Chantry by Duncan, would he have developed into Cullen v 2.0? They seem to have some similarities personality-wise (at least it seems that way...to me, anyway). Just curious.

Thats a good question !!Though Alistair clearly states in many conversations that he was glad he was rescued. I don't think he would be able to hold to his vows as a templar .

[Maria13]

Schratty wrote...

Here's something I've been wondering... in the land of hypotheticals, if Alistair had not been rescued from the Chantry by Duncan, would he have developed into Cullen v 2.0? They seem to have some similarities personality-wise (at least it seems that way...to me, anyway). Just curious.

Nope.  Alistair says quite clearly what would have happened, he would have gone postal and slaughtered them all... In his smallclothes, a la "Full Metal Jacket"... [I think he was probably bullied, like the character in that movie...] Even Morrie was impressed with that...

[Sarah1281]

Schratty wrote...

Here's something I've been wondering... in the land of hypotheticals, if Alistair had not been rescued from the Chantry by Duncan, would he have developed into Cullen v 2.0? They seem to have some similarities personality-wise (at least it seems that way...to me, anyway). Just curious.

Hey, I missed a fight for once.  

Do you mean Cullen pre or post Uldred? Alistair was only rescued six months prior to Ostagar so it's not like he's been out for very long. I think that while Alistair very well might have broken the way Cullen did (though hopefully with less snapping and becoming a mage serial killer) had he been subjected to the same torture, he was certainly less devout than Cullen although taking the vows just as seriously. Alistair actually struck me as a stronger person than Cullen and the thought that he'd be forced to be a templar and live with the lyrium addiction he despises so much and questions the need for (how do the other templars feel about their addiction?), the mage killing he can't stand, and the inability to ever have the family he desperately wants...being a Grey Warden might suck but it really was Alistair's salvation, I think.

[Skyl4rk]

Well he did say that if he wasn't recruited by Duncan he would "...turned into a drooling lunatic, slaughtered the grand cleric and run through the streets of Denerim in [his] small clothes."  Whether he was serious or not, we will never know.

Modifié par Skyl4rk, 20 octobre 2010 - 05:03 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
Alistair actually struck me as a stronger person than Cullen and the thought that he'd be forced to be a templar and live with the lyrium addiction he despises so much and questions the need for (how do the other templars feel about their addiction?)

The thing, it doesn't really matter. Once he does become addicted, he will be forced to want it.
I really don't think most Templars actually like being addicted. They know that it drives you to weirdness when you get older.

Now I do like that he does question and doesn't just accept what he was told (I wish he could have done that more with the Wardens though, but they became his family, so they are harder to question). But, I don't think it would have made much difference if he did become a Templar.

Now mage killing, I don't know. I think he would kill maleficar. But the harrowing thing, I don't think he'd like it. Whether  hewould still follow orders or not, I don't know.

[Yankee23]

I think Cullen had a strong belief in what a Templar was suppose to be and it got warped based on what happend to him. Alistair doesn't have the same conviction, he would have made an effort to be the best templar he could be but I don't see him craking like that.

[errant_knight]

He hated doing the harrowing the one time he had to kill a mage, and he has no inate fear. A hatred of blood magic and maleficars, yes, and a distrust of apostates, but he has no problem with circle mages, except for a willingness to mock those that see him as the enemy. So I don't see any Cullen in him.

Modifié par errant_knight, 20 octobre 2010 - 05:06 .

[Schratty]

Maria13 wrote...

Schratty wrote...

Here's something I've been wondering... in the land of hypotheticals, if Alistair had not been rescued from the Chantry by Duncan, would he have developed into Cullen v 2.0? They seem to have some similarities personality-wise (at least it seems that way...to me, anyway). Just curious.

Nope.  Alistair says quite clearly what would have happened, he would have gone postal and slaughtered them all... In his smallclothes, a la "Full Metal Jacket"... [I think he was probably bullied, like the character in that movie...] Even Morrie was impressed with that...

Haha, I'd forgotten about that bit of dialogue. Do you really think that'd he massacre everyone? Or would he have simply run away...although, I'm not sure how intune that choice is with his character either...Hmm...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Do you mean Cullen pre or post Uldred? Alistair was only rescued six months prior to Ostagar so it's not like he's been out for very long. I think that while Alistair very well might have broken the way Cullen did (though hopefully with less snapping and becoming a mage serial killer) had he been subjected to the same torture, he was certainly less devout than Cullen although taking the vows just as seriously. Alistair actually struck me as a stronger person than Cullen and the thought that he'd be forced to be a templar and live with the lyrium addiction he despises so much and questions the need for (how do the other templars feel about their addiction?), the mage killing he can't stand, and the inability to ever have the family he desperately wants...being a Grey Warden might suck but it really was Alistair's salvation, I think.

How do you think he would handle the prospect of taking his vows? Do you think he'd actually go through with it? Again, assuming Duncan never took him away, of course.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yankee23 wrote...

I think Cullen had a strong belief in what a Templar was suppose to be and it got warped based on what happend to him. Alistair doesn't have the same conviction, he would have made an effort to be the best templar he could be but I don't see him craking like that.

But Cullen can love a mage. He says it was the one thing he wanted a lot.
I think he was a convinced Templar yes (Alistair is some ways is too, he hates blood magic, though is much more flexible), but he still doe somethign that I don't think Templars are supposed to do. Aka have strong feelings towards a mage.