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[KnightofPhoenix]

maxernst wrote...

Doesn't it say he got on a ship, though?  Depending on where it was headed, it could be quite some time before he would have an opportunity to return.

It does? I don't know, it;s likely though.

Still, couldn't he sail back to Ferelden while en route? The Free Marches aren't that close, so he had time to reconsider. Unless well he can't decide where the boat goes.

[Addai]

cmessaz wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

*Peeks in* Hey, I'm looking for a hard to find save. Dalish female, who activated the love flag with Tamlen in the origin saved either before the Tamlen shriek attack or before speaking to Ghoul Tamlen. I need one for Zevran/Alistair romance active as well as no romance.

I have one of those with an Alistair romance active.  But I'm at work so can't get it to you until this evening.

Perfect! Can you send me a pm when you can? I will work on the scene, it will take me at least that long. Thanks so much Addai!

Are you working on what I think you're working on?! 

[cmessaz]

Addai- probably!

[mellifera]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Doesn't it say he got on a ship, though?  Depending on where it was headed, it could be quite some time before he would have an opportunity to return.

It does? I don't know, it;s likely though.

Still, couldn't he sail back to Ferelden while en route? The Free Marches aren't that close, so he had time to reconsider. Unless well he can't decide where the boat goes.

I don't think it's that easy. Not just in terms of travels, but emotions.

[Giggles_Manically]

Alistair probably dosent just see the wardens as having betrayed him (Warden and Riordan) but the rest of the country.



NO ONE else speaks out against Loghain being made a warden, no one stands with him when he tries to take the crown if hardened, and the people he thought were his friends also dont help him.



Not only does the warden not stand with him, but the rest of the country doesent either.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
NO ONE else speaks out against Loghain being made a warden,

In fact, when you talk to Bodahn and ask for rumors from bartenders, they say that most people are relieved that Loghain was spared and only a few are outraged.

So yes, the majority of Ferelden apparently didn't want Loghain to die. And they seemingly couldn't care less about Alistair dying. Tough spot to be in for sure.

[Lady Jess]

Sig Test and Dwarf Smut!

[maxernst]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Doesn't it say he got on a ship, though?  Depending on where it was headed, it could be quite some time before he would have an opportunity to return.

It does? I don't know, it;s likely though.

Still, couldn't he sail back to Ferelden while en route? The Free Marches aren't that close, so he had time to reconsider. Unless well he can't decide where the boat goes.

I was visualizing him getting on a ship bound for the Free Marches, so once it's set sail, he can't change his mind, short of hijacking it.  Hiring or buying a ship just to take him seems expensive and unlikely.

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
NO ONE else speaks out against Loghain being made a warden,

In fact, when you talk to Bodahn and ask for rumors from bartenders, they say that most people are relieved that Loghain was spared and only a few are outraged.

So yes, the majority of Ferelden apparently didn't want Loghain to die. And they seemingly couldn't care less about Alistair dying. Tough spot to be in for sure.

Also I can imagine it gets worse for him if he hears that:
Loghain died a hero, who is fondly remebered and well loved by the people again (Redeemer ending)
or that he is still alive and going around to recruit wardens.

That is really just putting salt in the wound there.

[Maria13]

maxernst wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

maxernst wrote...

Doesn't it say he got on a ship, though?  Depending on where it was headed, it could be quite some time before he would have an opportunity to return.

It does? I don't know, it;s likely though.

Still, couldn't he sail back to Ferelden while en route? The Free Marches aren't that close, so he had time to reconsider. Unless well he can't decide where the boat goes.

I was visualizing him getting on a ship bound for the Free Marches, so once it's set sail, he can't change his mind, short of hijacking it.  Hiring or buying a ship just to take him seems expensive and unlikely.

Even Ali can't walk on water...

[maxernst]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
NO ONE else speaks out against Loghain being made a warden,

In fact, when you talk to Bodahn and ask for rumors from bartenders, they say that most people are relieved that Loghain was spared and only a few are outraged.

So yes, the majority of Ferelden apparently didn't want Loghain to die. And they seemingly couldn't care less about Alistair dying. Tough spot to be in for sure.

On the other hand, if you do kill him, the ending card says that Anora builds him a monument and nobody goes to it except her, which doesn't make it sound like people care that much about him, either.  It seems to me (realistic or not) that your Landsmeet decisions always meet the approval of most people, no matter what you do--it' sthe opposite of the Rachni queen decision in ME where you get chewed out no matter what you do.  I find it odd that not even Ser Cauthrien would be going to the monument.,..but then it's also peculiar that none of your companions seem to care about Alistair dying. 

[mellifera]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
NO ONE else speaks out against Loghain being made a warden,

In fact, when you talk to Bodahn and ask for rumors from bartenders, they say that most people are relieved that Loghain was spared and only a few are outraged.

So yes, the majority of Ferelden apparently didn't want Loghain to die. And they seemingly couldn't care less about Alistair dying. Tough spot to be in for sure.

Probably because they remember him to be the Hero of River Dane. How many of the common folk are involved in politics? All they hear is rumors and considering what Loghain did in the past they are probably willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Alistair is Maric's random bastard that came from nowhere who never had a real chance to make a name for himself.

I don't really think it is relevant what the Ferelden citizens wanted in this case, it's politics that they aren't a part of.

And as maxernst said, it doesn't really seem they cared that much if he dies either.

Modifié par yukidama, 21 octobre 2010 - 05:35 .

[errant_knight]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
NO ONE else speaks out against Loghain being made a warden,

In fact, when you talk to Bodahn and ask for rumors from bartenders, they say that most people are relieved that Loghain was spared and only a few are outraged.

So yes, the majority of Ferelden apparently didn't want Loghain to die. And they seemingly couldn't care less about Alistair dying. Tough spot to be in for sure.

Also I can imagine it gets worse for him if he hears that:
Loghain died a hero, who is fondly remebered and well loved by the people again (Redeemer ending)
or that he is still alive and going around to recruit wardens.

That is really just putting salt in the wound there.

Yeah, the pain of it would be horrific, especially for someone who's deepest desire is to be valued and accepted.

[KnightofPhoenix]

maxernst wrote...
On the other hand, if you do kill him, the ending card says that Anora builds him a monument and nobody goes to it except her, which doesn't make it sound like people care that much about him, either.  It seems to me (realistic or not) that your Landsmeet decisions always meet the approval of most people, no matter what you do

Actually, I think if you do execute Loghain and talk to Bodahn and bartenders, they do say that they aren't really happy about it. Loghain's monument being ignored is probabyl because Ferelden has new heroes now lol

But yea, you're right it doesn't seem consistent.

[Briiel]

See that's why it's really hard for me to spare Lohgain.I mean if they had a option to throw him in Jail or something for his crimes. I would be for that. but to let him walk free after the crimes he commited like they were nothing.

I guess I base it off of how my friends and I act . We have each others backs.

I feel Lohgain should pay for his crimes not be made a warden . Who would stop him after the arch demon was slain (provided it was Old god baby scenario or even the US) and he lived to go strutting around saying "I defeated the AD, I saved Ferelden. Oh yeah and this other guy helped" He did it before after Ostagar. "Those Grey Wardens filled Cailan's head with fool notions,It's their fault he's dead, I did what I did to save ferelden"

but thats my nickel in on it and thats the way "I" view it.:happy:

Now time for ......
SMUTT!!!:wub:

[KnightofPhoenix]

yukidama wrote...
I don't really think it is relevant what the Ferelden citizens wanted in this case, it's politics that they aren't a part of.

Yea, I never said this had to be relevent in any significant way.

[maxernst]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

maxernst wrote...
On the other hand, if you do kill him, the ending card says that Anora builds him a monument and nobody goes to it except her, which doesn't make it sound like people care that much about him, either.  It seems to me (realistic or not) that your Landsmeet decisions always meet the approval of most people, no matter what you do

Actually, I think if you do execute Loghain and talk to Bodahn and bartenders, they do say that they aren't really happy about it. Loghain's monument being ignored is probabyl because Ferelden has new heroes now lol

But yea, you're right it doesn't seem consistent.

I thought it very odd that Ser Cauthrien, at the very least, wouldn't be visiting Loghain's monument.

[mellifera]

The probably didn't want to add an extra slide since you can kill her xD

[KnightofPhoenix]

maxernst wrote...
I thought it very odd that Ser Cauthrien, at the very least, wouldn't be visiting Loghain's monument.

Well she is either dead or turned against him.
But even when she turns against Loghain, she literraly begs you on her knees (well one knee) not to kill him (which I thought was pretty powerful). So yes, it is odd.

[Addai]

maxernst wrote...
I thought it very odd that Ser Cauthrien, at the very least, wouldn't be visiting Loghain's monument.

They probably don't mention it because good chance she's dead.  Maybe she even dies in the Blight if you spare her.

Re the rumors, they also say that some people are upset Loghain was spared.  So that's a mixed bag.  But yes, I think Alistair is disgusted with the whole shebang.  It's understandable, I guess.  He was pulled onto the stage to be Maric's bastard, then gets his chain majorly jerked, and he thinks you've doomed the country anyway by recruiting an unreliable ally.  So I suppose I can see it.  He doesn't have anyone left at that point who can talk him down from it.

[Persephone]

Briiel wrote...

See that's why it's really hard for me to spare Lohgain.I mean if they had a option to throw him in Jail or something for his crimes. I would be for that. but to let him walk free after the crimes he commited like they were nothing.

I guess I base it off of how my friends and I act . We have each others backs.

I feel Lohgain should pay for his crimes not be made a warden . Who would stop him after the arch demon was slain (provided it was Old god baby scenario or even the US) and he lived to go strutting around saying "I defeated the AD, I saved Ferelden. Oh yeah and this other guy helped" He did it before after Ostagar. "Those Grey Wardens filled Cailan's head with fool notions,It's their fault he's dead, I did what I did to save ferelden"

Losing everything and being conscripted is hardly "walking away". And since the scenario you describe does not happen, it's kinda....well, not a factor. He fights by your side, wants to take the killing blow in your stead and thus die AND have his soul destroyed. And it's not like it's all about hero worship....he despises that. And what good does it do once he is dead/destroyed? And when he does survive, he performs diligently as a recruiter. And he has the best Awakening cameo.

[Sarah1281]

Maria13 wrote...



Yes, I too would go along with this. Also that he might believe that his behaviour was sinful as I think that he has deeply held religious convictions... But that is how he might see it, an outside observer might think that he had already done more that his fair share of fighting the good fight by the LM anyway...

What do you mean by 'outside observer'? Anyone that's not Alistair? A Warden MIGHT think that but I think that many people, if they knew that he left because he felt betrayed that Loghain wasn't dying and was going to become a Warden, would have a problem with the fact that he completely walked away from the Blight and left all of Ferelden's fate to other people because he was pissed at 1) Loghain 2) The Warden 3) Possibly Riordan 4) Possibly the other people in the Landsmeet. There are far more people who literally had nothing to do with Loghain that he refused to try and save and left for.

[Giggles_Manically]

Alistair has banter where he talks about not being happy about leaving Lothering behind, but then he leaves the whole country behind if you spare Loghain.



That is going to catch up to him later I think.

[AnniLau]

Briiel wrote...

Who would stop him after the arch demon was slain (provided it was Old god baby scenario or even the US) and he lived to go strutting around saying "I defeated the AD, I saved Ferelden. Oh yeah and this other guy helped"

Um, Zevran with a dagger in the hallway?

[Persephone]

AnniLau wrote...

Briiel wrote...

Who would stop him after the arch demon was slain (provided it was Old god baby scenario or even the US) and he lived to go strutting around saying "I defeated the AD, I saved Ferelden. Oh yeah and this other guy helped"

Um, Zevran with a dagger in the hallway?

Not to speak of the game itself. Such a scenario just doesn't happen.  Besides, he isn't the bragging sort.