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[Briiel]

Persephone wrote...

Briiel wrote...

See that's why it's really hard for me to spare Lohgain.I mean if they had a option to throw him in Jail or something for his crimes. I would be for that. but to let him walk free after the crimes he commited like they were nothing.

I guess I base it off of how my friends and I act . We have each others backs.

I feel Lohgain should pay for his crimes not be made a warden . Who would stop him after the arch demon was slain (provided it was Old god baby scenario or even the US) and he lived to go strutting around saying "I defeated the AD, I saved Ferelden. Oh yeah and this other guy helped" He did it before after Ostagar. "Those Grey Wardens filled Cailan's head with fool notions,It's their fault he's dead, I did what I did to save ferelden"

Losing everything and being conscripted is hardly "walking away". And since the scenario you describe does not happen, it's kinda....well, not a factor. He fights by your side, wants to take the killing blow in your stead and thus die AND have his soul destroyed. And it's not like it's all about hero worship....he despises that. And what good does it do once he is dead/destroyed? And when he does survive, he performs diligently as a recruiter. And he has the best Awakening cameo.

Ok for the last bit ,As I see it , (notice the I ) My character does not know all this. I am saying how I would view it from what they know about him "so far". To my character she does not trust Lohgain. NO Matter what was said about him in the past, what happens in the future. In the game Her view is the HERE AND NOW.

*edited for some recycled smut,because my new gals are not there yet*

Modifié par Briiel, 21 octobre 2010 - 05:50 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

AnniLau wrote...

Briiel wrote...

Who would stop him after the arch demon was slain (provided it was Old god baby scenario or even the US) and he lived to go strutting around saying "I defeated the AD, I saved Ferelden. Oh yeah and this other guy helped"

Um, Zevran with a dagger in the hallway?

He (Zevran) would be owned. Badly. 

I guess it's possible that in-game, you can believe that Loghain is the bragging sort. In his Awakenign cameo however, he is far from being that.

EDIT: yes, what Briiel said.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 21 octobre 2010 - 05:52 .

[errant_knight]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Maria13 wrote...

Yes, I too would go along with this. Also that he might believe that his behaviour was sinful as I think that he has deeply held religious convictions... But that is how he might see it, an outside observer might think that he had already done more that his fair share of fighting the good fight by the LM anyway...

What do you mean by 'outside observer'? Anyone that's not Alistair? A Warden MIGHT think that but I think that many people, if they knew that he left because he felt betrayed that Loghain wasn't dying and was going to become a Warden, would have a problem with the fact that he completely walked away from the Blight and left all of Ferelden's fate to other people because he was pissed at 1) Loghain 2) The Warden 3) Possibly Riordan 4) Possibly the other people in the Landsmeet. There are far more people who literally had nothing to do with Loghain that he refused to try and save and left for.

She said 'might' not 'must', and an outside observer, such as a player, or citizen, who agrees with what Alistair says at the Landsmeet might well do, or at very least find his action more forgivable than Alistair himself would.

Modifié par errant_knight, 21 octobre 2010 - 05:52 .

[tuppence95]

maxernst wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

  Or he was so enraged at the LM, that he became oblivious to it, at least for a time (and he had quite some time to come back and fight, it wasn't that short).

Doesn't it say he got on a ship, though?  Depending on where it was headed, it could be quite some time before he would have an opportunity to return.

Yes, in the one drunken Alistair playthrough that I did, I do remember seeing a card that said he got on a ship.  I never pictured him sulking in some dark corner aware that the final battle was being fought, but refusing to take part in it.  

I think it's much more likely that he stumbled out of the LM chamber right to the docks and got on a ship.  He probably didn't even care where it was going.  I don't know how long it takes to sail to the Free Marches.  He might not have even known when the battle was taking place until he heard rumors of it later and learned that Loghain either died a hero or was still a Grey Warden.

But I'll bet, during the moments when he was sober enough to think coherently, he bore a heavy burden of guilt.  I think he would have eventually worked his way out of it, but it would've taken some time.  Hopefully, he would've found some sort of happiness.

[AnniLau]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
He (Zevran) would be owned. Badly. 

Really? Because he had no trouble beating Loghain in a duel at my last Landsmeet.

[Sarah1281]

She said 'might' not 'must', and an outside observer, such as a player, or citizen, who agrees with what Alistair says at the Landsmeet might well do, or at very least find his action more forgivable than Alistair himself would.

And I said 'many people' and not 'every single citizen in Ferelden.'

[Persephone]

AnniLau wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
He (Zevran) would be owned. Badly. 

Really? Because he had no trouble beating Loghain in a duel at my last Landsmeet.

That's your doing, not his. If they were both not guided by a player, Zev wouldn't stand a chance.

[KnightofPhoenix]

AnniLau wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
He (Zevran) would be owned. Badly. 

Really? Because he had no trouble beating Loghain in a duel at my last Landsmeet.

 Touché

BTW, Loghain / Zevran banter is one of the best.

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
He (Zevran) would be owned. Badly. 

Really? Because he had no trouble beating Loghain in a duel at my last Landsmeet.

 Touché

BTW, Loghain / Zevran banter is one of the best.

Very true. I wish they had more than one. But noooooooooo, most of his banters are with.......Wynne.

[Briiel]

When I play my gal's I always play in the here and now. Maybe I'll do a spare lohgain one of these days might have to make a male to do it. I am to much a Alistair fan to be a female and do it.



Hmm maybe I could do a Arcturus male *teases KoP*

[tuppence95]

Persephone wrote...

AnniLau wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
He (Zevran) would be owned. Badly. 

Really? Because he had no trouble beating Loghain in a duel at my last Landsmeet.

That's your doing, not his. If they were both not guided by a player, Zev wouldn't stand a chance.

Really?  What makes you think that?   Zev is a trained assassin who is incredibly fast and very much in shape and uses poisons.  Loghain may have been a great fighter at one time, but he's much older than Eamon, and hasn't seen much action lately.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...
Very true. I wish they had more than one. But noooooooooo, most of his banters are with.......Wynne.

Eh, for once Wynne actually served a purpose. To show how awesome Loghain is.

[AnniLau]

Persephone wrote...
That's your doing, not his. If they were both not guided by a player, Zev wouldn't stand a chance.

I don't agree, but it doesn't really matter. If Zev were going to assassinate Loghain, he wouldn't trot up to him with weapons extended...he'd be sneaky.


(And, yes, I know he failed to be sneaky when he attacked the Warden, but he was hoping to die.)

Modifié par AnniLau, 21 octobre 2010 - 05:59 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Briiel wrote...
Hmm maybe I could do a Arcturus male *teases KoP*

It's like 3/4 of your posts has you mentioning Arcturus 
Well if you want to do an Arcturus authentic playthrough, you'll have to make a pretty hard decision at the Landsmeet.

[Zjarcal]

Briiel wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Personally, I don't see a need for redemption in that ending. But then I think  he was betrayed (winks at Zjarcal). It is brutally sad, though. I'd like to see him find someone/something he cares about and can believe in again.

I agree Errant . I know others think otherwise but it's how I roll :wub: *hugs* Zjarcal:D

*hugs Briiel and errant*

....

*blows raspberry*

[Giggles_Manically]

Briiel wrote...

When I play my gal's I always play in the here and now. Maybe I'll do a spare lohgain one of these days might have to make a male to do it. I am to much a Alistair fan to be a female and do it.

Hmm maybe I could do a Arcturus male *teases KoP*

You must pay KoP 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 Yen do use his likeness in any media though.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 21 octobre 2010 - 06:00 .

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
Very true. I wish they had more than one. But noooooooooo, most of his banters are with.......Wynne.

Eh, for once Wynne actually served a purpose. To show how awesome Loghain is.

Especially in RTO.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Briiel wrote...

When I play my gal's I always play in the here and now. Maybe I'll do a spare lohgain one of these days might have to make a male to do it. I am to much a Alistair fan to be a female and do it.

Hmm maybe I could do a Arcturus male *teases KoP*

You must pay KoP 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 Yen do use his likeness in any media though.

For Briiel, it's for free.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 21 octobre 2010 - 06:02 .

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Briiel wrote...

When I play my gal's I always play in the here and now. Maybe I'll do a spare lohgain one of these days might have to make a male to do it. I am to much a Alistair fan to be a female and do it.

Hmm maybe I could do a Arcturus male *teases KoP*

You must pay KoP 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 Yen do use his likeness in any media though.

For Briiel, it's for free.

KoP how do you expect to fund your global conquest if you keep doing this.
You are such a softie.

[mellifera]

I didn't know KoP conducted transactions in yen xD

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
KoP how do you expect to fund your global conquest if you keep doing this.
You are such a softie.

Other clients. Shaddy(ier) deals. A man's got to make a living.

[Skyl4rk]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Briiel wrote...

When I play my gal's I always play in the here and now. Maybe I'll do a spare lohgain one of these days might have to make a male to do it. I am to much a Alistair fan to be a female and do it.

Hmm maybe I could do a Arcturus male *teases KoP*

You must pay KoP 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 Yen do use his likeness in any media though.

For Briiel, it's for free.

KoP how do you expect to fund your global conquest if you keep doing this.
You are such a softie.

What? Didn't you know that he's a male version of Morrigan? 

[Briiel]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Briiel wrote...

When I play my gal's I always play in the here and now. Maybe I'll do a spare lohgain one of these days might have to make a male to do it. I am to much a Alistair fan to be a female and do it.

Hmm maybe I could do a Arcturus male *teases KoP*

You must pay KoP 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 Yen do use his likeness in any media though.

For Briiel, it's for free.

KoP how do you expect to fund your global conquest if you keep doing this.
You are such a softie.

I am a huge KoP fan !!

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
KoP how do you expect to fund your global conquest if you keep doing this.
You are such a softie.

Other clients. Shaddy(ier) deals. A man's got to make a living.

Is this right before you take a pot shot at me and when I ask why you respond with:
Do I really need an excuse to have a good time in my own home?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Skyl4rk wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
KoP how do you expect to fund your global conquest if you keep doing this.
You are such a softie.

What? Didn't you know that he's a male version of Morrigan? 

In a lot of ways yes, and in some ways no. But I think most differences are more due to radically different upbringing, but yea I did notice

@ Giggles
Have a cookie for knowing

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 21 octobre 2010 - 06:13 .