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[KnightofPhoenix]

Jon Jern wrote...

How do Crows get involved in Fereldan politics.

A noble hired them to get rescue son, who was kidnapped by Howe for ransom.
If you help the crows, you by extension help the noble who hired them and as such he votes for you.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 octobre 2010 - 01:17 .

[Briiel]

Jon Jern wrote...

How do Crows get involved in Fereldan politics.

There is a guy named ...... bah I forget but hes a bald dude in the market area near the Gnarled Tavern, He has you do a questline for the Crows.

*throws a top up for KoP*

recycled because I am talking pirate

Modifié par Briiel, 23 octobre 2010 - 01:19 .

[Jon Jern_]

Oh.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think each accusation gives you a +1 (except Ostagar gives you -1).

Yeah, why is that? Okay, maybe Cailan wasn't the best king and Loghain certainly does his best to make it sound as if the loss at Ostagar was entirely due to the Wardens' incompetence, but do that many of the Bannorn buy it? Is it the fact that Cailan had Orlesian troops lined up to help? It just seems like any mention of Ostagar in the Landsmeet brings instant fail.

Because you have no proof and it sounds like a desperate accusation. I htink most would rather believe the experienced general and not the warden who was mostly if not compeltely unknown. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Briiel wrote...

Jon Jern wrote...

How do Crows get involved in Fereldan politics.

There is a guy named ...... bah I forget but hes a bald dude in the market area near the Gnarled Tavern, He has you do a questline for the Crows.

Ignacio!
Badass Crow master.

[MageTarot]

I've always tried for a clean sweep at the Landsmeet, but there's always one who sides with Loghain. He says something to the effect of "I vote for Loghain. We've no hope of victory otherwise".



I've read that his vote has something to do with an assassin quest but I'm not sure if that's true.



(Oh, and good evening, fellow Alistarians - just finishing up my 2nd male rogue noble's playthrough. I'm at the AD and should be with you in a bit)

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think each accusation gives you a +1 (except Ostagar gives you -1).

Yeah, why is that? Okay, maybe Cailan wasn't the best king and Loghain certainly does his best to make it sound as if the loss at Ostagar was entirely due to the Wardens' incompetence, but do that many of the Bannorn buy it? Is it the fact that Cailan had Orlesian troops lined up to help? It just seems like any mention of Ostagar in the Landsmeet brings instant fail.

Because you have no proof and it sounds like a desperate accusation. I htink most would rather believe the experienced general and not the warden who was mostly if not compeltely unknown. 

Yeah, Ceorlic is basically 'Yeah, prove it' and then Loghain starts digging deep within himself to find positive things to say about Cailan. It's basically your word against his and it's a bit too serious to just accept blindly like that. It's not just Ostagar, though. If you don't have proof about the noble-torturing in the form of Sighard's son or about Eamon's poisoning in the form of Alfstanna's brother they don't believe you on that, either.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think each accusation gives you a +1 (except Ostagar gives you -1).

Yeah, why is that? Okay, maybe Cailan wasn't the best king and Loghain certainly does his best to make it sound as if the loss at Ostagar was entirely due to the Wardens' incompetence, but do that many of the Bannorn buy it? Is it the fact that Cailan had Orlesian troops lined up to help? It just seems like any mention of Ostagar in the Landsmeet brings instant fail.

Because you have no proof and it sounds like a desperate accusation. I htink most would rather believe the experienced general and not the warden who was mostly if not compeltely unknown. 

Okay, but most of the people you talk to along the way to Landsmeet are shocked, incredulous and/or saddened if you tell them that Loghain quit the field, but many of them believe you. Then again, most of the people you talk to along the way aren't nobles and don't have a direct relationship with Loghain.

[KnightofPhoenix]

MageTarot wrote...

I've always tried for a clean sweep at the Landsmeet, but there's always one who sides with Loghain. He says something to the effect of "I vote for Loghain. We've no hope of victory otherwise".

I've read that his vote has something to do with an assassin quest but I'm not sure if that's true.

No, that guy will always vote for Loghain. The noble tied to the Crows is the one who says "The Warden helped me on a personal matter".

[Jon Jern_]

MageTarot wrote...I've read that his vote has something to do with an assassin quest but I'm not sure if that's true.

EDIT: Goddamn ninjas.

Modifié par Jon Jern , 23 octobre 2010 - 01:22 .

[Reika]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Because you have no proof and it sounds like a desperate accusation. I htink most would rather believe the experienced general and not the warden who was mostly if not compeltely unknown. 

Yeah, it was the lack of proof with Ostagar. With the poisoning of Eamon you had witnesses to Jowan's confession, with the Alienage you had the proof of the slavery, rescuing Iminrick and Oswyn, you have their family's support as well as the Chantry. When you do the Crow quest the noble speaks up to say that you did him a personal favor. Supposedly saving Vaughn gives you more support also, but I've never seen it.

And I'm an awful person, I like telling Anora I'll support her in the Landsmeet and not do it, figure payback is a b!tch after getting betrayed to Cauthrien by her.

[Sarah1281]

MageTarot wrote...

I've always tried for a clean sweep at the Landsmeet, but there's always one who sides with Loghain. He says something to the effect of "I vote for Loghain. We've no hope of victory otherwise".

I've read that his vote has something to do with an assassin quest but I'm not sure if that's true.

(Oh, and good evening, fellow Alistarians - just finishing up my 2nd male rogue noble's playthrough. I'm at the AD and should be with you in a bit)

Assassin quest guy doesn't vote unless you help him. Ceorlic will never stop supporting Loghain. Ever.

[Briiel]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Briiel wrote...

Jon Jern wrote...

How do Crows get involved in Fereldan politics.

There is a guy named ...... bah I forget but hes a bald dude in the market area near the Gnarled Tavern, He has you do a questline for the Crows.

Ignacio!
Badass Crow master.

Thats it !! :whistle:My brain was in pirate mode 

*waves at MT*

[Jon Jern_]

Is it okay that my only completed playthroughs are females? I went midway through with a male Cousland and quit to make a new City Elf, and only played an Aeudecan male for the origin.

I've been pondering that question for awhile.

[Briiel]

Reika wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Because you have no proof and it sounds like a desperate accusation. I htink most would rather believe the experienced general and not the warden who was mostly if not compeltely unknown. 

Yeah, it was the lack of proof with Ostagar. With the poisoning of Eamon you had witnesses to Jowan's confession, with the Alienage you had the proof of the slavery, rescuing Iminrick and Oswyn, you have their family's support as well as the Chantry. When you do the Crow quest the noble speaks up to say that you did him a personal favor. Supposedly saving Vaughn gives you more support also, but I've never seen it.

And I'm an awful person, I like telling Anora I'll support her in the Landsmeet and not do it, figure payback is a b!tch after getting betrayed to Cauthrien by her.

Saving Vaughn gains you his vote as well at the Landsmeet:), I did it once

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Yeah, Ceorlic is basically 'Yeah, prove it' and then Loghain starts digging deep within himself to find positive things to say about Cailan. It's basically your word against his and it's a bit too serious to just accept blindly like that. It's not just Ostagar, though. If you don't have proof about the noble-torturing in the form of Sighard's son or about Eamon's poisoning in the form of Alfstanna's brother they don't believe you on that, either.

I swear in my CE playthrough that the "Yeah, prove it" burden was placed on Loghain. My CE mentioned Ostagar and someone in the gallery shouted something to the effect of "Yes, Loghain, some of us are curious to know exactly what happened at Ostagar," with mention of refugees' reports and veiled accusations about leaving Cailan to die. My CE spent a lot of time making friends and doing favors for people before Landsmeet, though. My Mage, however, did not; so all that happened when she mentioned Ostagar was a big "PAH!" from Loghain and a big brawl in the chamber.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Briiel wrote...
Saving Vaughn gains you his vote as well at the Landsmeet:), I did it once

Yep.
As much as I want to kill him, I never did since I never played a CE as of yet.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 octobre 2010 - 01:28 .

[Zjarcal]

Briiel wrote...
Saving Vaughn gains you his vote as well at the Landsmeet:), I did it once

He can shove his vote where the sun don't shine! I always kill him. His talk about how the "elves think they are people" is all the justification I need (racist bastard), regardless of which origin I'm playing.

The loveliest setup is to get him to give you the key first and then kill him. Such a fitting end for such a piece of scum.

EDIT: Here you go Vaughn!

Modifié par Zjarcal, 23 octobre 2010 - 01:33 .

[Morwen Eledhwen]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Briiel wrote...
Saving Vaughn gains you his vote as well at the Landsmeet:), I did it once

Yep.
As much as I want to kill him, I never did since I never played a CE as of yet.

My Mage had no reason to kill him since she didn't know exactly what happened, but her conversation with him did give her enough reason not to let him out of his cell.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 23 octobre 2010 - 01:32 .

[tuppence95]

Yankee23 wrote...

  I think you're the only one in the test group that's doing any testing tonight.

I neglected one test group last night because I spent too much time getting my contest entry done.  I need to go through the circle tower again and then finish redcliffe. I tried cheating last night with the console, and it resulted in too many weirdnesses.  I have to accept the fact that I'm console-illiterate.  

[Sarah1281]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Yeah, Ceorlic is basically 'Yeah, prove it' and then Loghain starts digging deep within himself to find positive things to say about Cailan. It's basically your word against his and it's a bit too serious to just accept blindly like that. It's not just Ostagar, though. If you don't have proof about the noble-torturing in the form of Sighard's son or about Eamon's poisoning in the form of Alfstanna's brother they don't believe you on that, either.

I swear in my CE playthrough that the "Yeah, prove it" burden was placed on Loghain. My CE mentioned Ostagar and someone in the gallery shouted something to the effect of "Yes, Loghain, some of us are curious to know exactly what happened at Ostagar," with mention of refugees' reports and veiled accusations about leaving Cailan to die. My CE spent a lot of time making friends and doing favors for people before Landsmeet, though. My Mage, however, did not; so all that happened when she mentioned Ostagar was a big "PAH!" from Loghain and a big brawl in the chamber.

I've looked it up.

Loghain: How much Fereldan blood does Orlesian gold buy these days?
PC: I'm not the one who betrayed Ferelden!

If Pass Hard Persuade Check Bryland: Some of us are curious, Loghain, about precisely what happened at Ostagar.
Loghain: So one of Cailan's killers would dare speak of betrayal? You led our king to his death with your grandiose tales of griffons flying into battle.
If not: Do we truly have to listen to these childish accusations? 

PC: You were the one who fled the battle and left him to die.
If HN Ceorlic: Do continue. The Landsmeet hungers to hear the tactical analysis of Ostagar from a spoiled child.
If elf Ceorlic: Please go on. The Landsmeet longs to hear a proper tactical analysis of Ostagar from an elf.
If dwarf Ceorlic: Do tell, dwarf. The whole Landsmeet has been quite frantic to hear a tactical analysis of Ostagar delivered by a clown. (see, this is why in my most recent one-shot he ends up destroying Ferelden)
If HC Ceorlic: Please continue. The Landsmeet hungers to hear the tactical analysis of Ostagar from a peasant.
Loghain: You goaded him into making that charge! He <emp>believed</emp> the tales, Warden! He thought that your handful of men would turn the tide for him, strategy and consequences be hanged! What would you have me do? Cailan's was not the only life in my hands. Should I have sacrificed the entire army for his mistake? Do not imagine you can shame me with Cailan's death. He was Maric's son. My king. No one regrets his loss more than I do.

PC: Then you should atone by supporting Maric's remaining son.
If pass hard persuade check Alfstanna: Indeed, do we not owe it to Maric to see his son on the throne?
If not Ceorlic: This Alistair could be the son of the stable master for all we know.
Loghain: If he were a true son of Maric, I would not hesitate to swear fealty to him. But I see nothing of Maric in this pup.

So basically if you declare that Loghain betrayed Ferelden and have high persuade you can get away with mentioning Cailan. Anything else and you lose points. And why can't you kill Ceorlic?!?! 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Did Ceorlic just call a dwarf....clown? He says no such thing to a human or elf, but he has the balls to call a dwarf clown?!

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 octobre 2010 - 01:42 .

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Did Ceorlic just call a dwarf....clown? He says no such thing to a human or elf, but he has the balls to call a dwarf clown?!

And we can't kill him!! 

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Okay, so my CE passed the Bryland check last time, but obviously not my Mage this time. I think my DC also passed the Bryland check, because I don't remember not hearing that comment before and I was quite surprised not to hear it this time. My DC still lost and had to fight the Brawl in the Hall, though, because the only thing she talked about was Ostagar. It was my first playthrough and I thought she would be able to argue each point to a consensus, good or bad, before proceeding to the next one. All of a sudden, though, the vote was called and all her good ammo went unused. Oops.

Alistair does not like how this Landsmeet is going. . .

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 23 octobre 2010 - 02:01 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Did Ceorlic just call a dwarf....clown? He says no such thing to a human or elf, but he has the balls to call a dwarf clown?!

Hmmm.... Lucrezia Aeducan has been looking for a cheap source of parchment for the Shapers to write down her numerous glorious achievements. Looks like a certain old bald fart just volunteered for the job.<_<