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[hollirae]

shedevil3001 wrote...

i dont mind restarting my hnf coz she gets to marry alistair *oh glorious* but omg my mage arghhhhhhh way to many restarting her

Yeah it is hard to not redo the HNF cause she get ALISTAIR!!!!!!!!!!!  Swoon....

[Sandtigress]

Avilia wrote...

A new thread - well done

I've diligently read the discussion regarding Fiona being Alistair's mother. Sorry to bring it up again if its all settled and done. But....

In the game universe if Alistair is king and Ferelden finds out his mother is an elf - they'll boot him off the throne won't they? He can't be king if his mother is an elf - at least that's my feeling.

Could this be why DG has never confirmed or denied it? If we knew in game for certain then Alistair wouldn't even be an also ran?

Or am I reading it wrong.

Apologies if this has been asked and answered - I didn't see it directly mentioned in your discussion. But its 7am here and my coffee is only just being poured into a cup.

A lot of it, I think, would depend on how Alistair's reign is going.  If the country is prospering and the people are happy, I can see it being "forgiven" of him, so to speak, in favor of keeping the peace, especially because of the recent civil war, and the lack of suitable replacements (if there was one, that person would have probably gotten the throne instead of Alistair).

If things were going poorly, I could see a that as an excuse to call for his removal from the throne, to have someone more "suitable" on it.

But elven blood does not change the fact that he also has Theirin blood, and if the only way to get Theirin blood on the throne is to accept that there's some elf blood in there too - as long as he looks human - would probably be enough.  After all, they overlooked his bastard birth for that reason as well.

Whether his children would be affected by it, I'm not sure.  I suppose it would still depend on the state of his rule, and who their mother was.

[cmessaz]

hollirae wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...

i dont mind restarting my hnf coz she gets to marry alistair *oh glorious* but omg my mage arghhhhhhh way to many restarting her

Yeah it is hard to not redo the HNF cause she get ALISTAIR!!!!!!!!!!!  Swoon....

Ya know, human noble is my favorite playthrough without question. But I think I too have played a lot more female mages than anything else. But unlike most I always go Amell, I've only played one Surana and she's my messed up one who will execute Alistair.

[Schratty]

rak72 wrote...

Schratty wrote...

rak72 wrote...

IDK, I think he would still break up with a NHNF, even if everyone could have kids - the landsmeet wouldn't approve her as queen, so he would need to go out and find a suitable queen, then have babies w/ her. In our alternate DSC universe, I don't think we would have been looking at Queen Liliana.

What is this about Queen Pancake Face?! I have not heard about this...

In Dark Spawn Chronicles,  Al & Liliana were 'lovers":sick:.  So I'm saying that in that alternate universe, I don't think the LM would approve of her as queen even if she could have babies.

Hmm...I played Darkspawn Chronicles and totally missed that. I guess I was subconciously blocking it out, haha

[nos_astra]

Avilia wrote...
In the game universe if Alistair is king and Ferelden finds out his mother is an elf - they'll boot him off the throne won't they? He can't be king if his mother is an elf - at least that's my feeling.

I don't think they can boot him off the throne. Some people would stand beside him, some people would demand he abdicates. Eventually there would probably be assassination attempts, rebellions, bloodshed, a new Civil War.

Modifié par klarabella, 10 août 2010 - 09:30 .

[Merilsell]

Well done, then xD It's in the small codex entry of her, near the end.

[maxernst]

klarabella wrote...

Avilia wrote...
In the game universe if Alistair is king and Ferelden finds out his mother is an elf - they'll boot him off the throne won't they? He can't be king if his mother is an elf - at least that's my feeling.

I don't think they can boot him off the throne. Some people would stand beside him, some people would demand that he abdicates. Eventually there would probably be assassination attempts, rebellions, blodshed, a new Civil War.

I'm not sure. The thing in the codex about power in Ferelden coming up from below suggests that it might be possible for the Landsmeet to legally depose a king.  Of course, if the king resists, then it would come down to his armies and those of his supporters versus his opponents.  But would Alistair resist a bid to oust him?  I guess he would if they were pushing for his execution, but otherwise...he might abdicate and go into exile.  Especially if he's not hardened.

[Yankee23]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

How many times have you all played the same PC? I've just restarted my female noble "Carmel" for the third time.

I have played my elf mage twice on the Xbox to get my cannon right  and my cannon HNF once. Then I got the PC version and I am replaying both of those, plus a HNF to try the Ser Gilmore mod, started a city elf through the origins and am working on a mage that makes the opposite of my normal choices.

[hollirae]

TheGrumpyOne wrote...

Notices a missing top Alistair picture. "Fixes that"

"Gives hollirae the monkey finger of evil."

Whoa what did I do to get the Evil Monkey finger or Monkey finger of evil??????? WHATEVER!!!!  

[Sarah1281]

maxernst wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Avilia wrote...
In the game universe if Alistair is king and Ferelden finds out his mother is an elf - they'll boot him off the throne won't they? He can't be king if his mother is an elf - at least that's my feeling.

I don't think they can boot him off the throne. Some people would stand beside him, some people would demand that he abdicates. Eventually there would probably be assassination attempts, rebellions, blodshed, a new Civil War.

I'm not sure. The thing in the codex about power in Ferelden coming up from below suggests that it might be possible for the Landsmeet to legally depose a king.  Of course, if the king resists, then it would come down to his armies and those of his supporters versus his opponents.  But would Alistair resist a bid to oust him?  I guess he would if they were pushing for his execution, but otherwise...he might abdicate and go into exile.  Especially if he's not hardened.

I doubt that they would take such drastic measures without first asking him to step down. Unhardened Alistair probably would.

[nos_astra]

@Grumpy Sorry, @maxernst
The Landsmeet would have to speak in unison but I doubt they'd do that. As I said, some nobles would want to keep him on the throne, some nobles would aspire to depose him.

As for asking him to step down like Sarah mentioned, again, the Landsmeet doesn't necessarily speak as one. It's not as easy as it might seem.

Modifié par klarabella, 10 août 2010 - 09:39 .

[Schratty]

Merilsell wrote...

Well done, then xD It's in the small codex entry of her, near the end.

Well...I guess all I can really say about that is...



Acceptable alternative.

[Giggles_Manically]

Why are people grouchy about DSC (biggest waste of BW points ever...) The warden didnt even know Alistair for like a day even.

At least they didnt hook him up with Morrigan like in some FF. I loled at Gaider saying that neither of them would even CONSIDER being with the other outside the DR.

[mellifera]

hollirae wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...

i dont mind restarting my hnf coz she gets to marry alistair *oh glorious* but omg my mage arghhhhhhh way to many restarting her

Yeah it is hard to not redo the HNF cause she get ALISTAIR!!!!!!!!!!!  Swoon....

Any female Warden can get and keep Alistair by the end of the game...

[Ianthia]

I have yet to finish a non HNF playthrough.
I'm working on one though that will have the GW ending.
I refuse to make a mistress Ive decided hehe

As for Alistair being half-elf or being able to keep a non HNF as anything but a mistress...

I think race would be a huge issue for the landsmeet - and for the nation in general. It's never good for a country to have their ruling council at war over things. Even if *some* of the nobles continued to support Alistair I do not believe that all would. It would go back to the civil war state Loghain caused.
Its the same for a non HNF wife - and probably even her when the nobles find out she can't have kids. I'm sure it will end the same - bickering, fighting etc and probably again civil war -lol- I don't think the nobles would be able to help themselves.
I don't think it is possible to have a happy ending for a female GW that romanced Alistair and made him king. Seriously, imo the GW ending is the winner >

Ill try to not get this thread locked
I know it's not Alistair but its my one and only gorey pic
If its not in line let me know and i'll can it

Modifié par Ianthia, 10 août 2010 - 09:55 .

[Schratty]

Ianthia wrote...
I don't think it is possible to have a happy ending for a female GW that romanced Alistair and made him king. Seriously, imo the GW ending is the winner >

You know, I have to agree with you. I like the thought of Alistair giving up his kingly burden and "running away" with the pc.

[Sarah1281]

yukidama wrote...

hollirae wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...

i dont mind restarting my hnf coz she gets to marry alistair *oh glorious* but omg my mage arghhhhhhh way to many restarting her

Yeah it is hard to not redo the HNF cause she get ALISTAIR!!!!!!!!!!!  Swoon....

Any female Warden can get and keep Alistair by the end of the game...

 I think it's pretty obvious that when people say things like that that they mean that you can't marry King Alistair otherwise.

[tuppence95]

I guess I must be an oddball.  I don't replay my characters.  But I am a chronic character creator.  I create them, plan out backgrounds and personalities for them.  And more than half the time, once the character takes on a life of its own, I end up not liking them and deleting them.  That is partially because I keep trying for different LIs, but I find it extremely difficult to play without being involved with Alistair.  The only other LI I ever successfully completed was Zevran, and his story was so much more touching than I thought it would be.  But it still didn't feel right.  Now I'm trying to play as a male character with Morrigan.  Hoping Alistair won't make me feel so bad this way.

My favorite origin is HN.  I really like the Cousland family a lot.  I've played so many Cousland girls, but it still makes me weepy to see Bryce lying in the pool of blood with Eleanor by his side.    It was so hard to read The Night is Full of Stars with Fergus as the bad guy.  I still think the DC & DN origins have the best stories and the elves are so emotionally tough, but the Couslands have my heart.

Here's my last attempt at playing with a different LI.  After Alistair went through most of Lothering with this expression on his face, I gave up.  I just couldn't look at him like that!



 

[errant_knight]

Sandtigress wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Alistair knew Grey Warden's with children. Abandonment isn't a prerequisite. That was a choice that Fiona didn't have to make, but chose to.

Alistair knew Grey Wardens who had children before they joined the order - most likely, they did abandon their families once they joined.

Fiona still would never have been able to raise her son, even if she had left the order.  As she said, she was an apostate mage and an elf - she had no place and no way to be anybody outside of the Grey Wardens.  She would have been an elven woman raising a human child - who would believe it was hers?  She would have had to hide her magic all the time and fear the templars discovering her and taking the child away to be raised by the Chantry at the very best, and who knows what at the worst.

If she had left the child to Maric, I don't think she could have ever claimed to be his mother and be believed, and the boy would still have to deal with the stigma of being the king's bastard son even if his mother's identity was kept secret. 

She didn't want him to live with the stigma of either elven blood or royal blood, and so she gave him up expecting him to be raised in a nice household as someone else's child.  That it doesn't seem to have worked out that way isn't entirely her fault.

She took no responsibility, so to me, it is her fault, as much as Maric's. They were phenomenally irresponsible about Alistair--if Fiona was his mother, which I'm not going to assume until I absolutely have to. What happened to Alistair is more understandable if his mother was random maid. Then being raised as what he was--the bastard child of a servant--would be a normal thing, and the Chantry would have been one of the better options for him, given that lyrium addiction was a secret.

[Giggles_Manically]

Did his face stick like that?

[errant_knight]

Schratty wrote...

Ianthia wrote...
I don't think it is possible to have a happy ending for a female GW that romanced Alistair and made him king. Seriously, imo the GW ending is the winner >

You know, I have to agree with you. I like the thought of Alistair giving up his kingly burden and "running away" with the pc.

I can't agree. To me that's him not realizing his potential, which I find sad, and running from it. But what a good thing that the game offers so many possibilities, all of which are perfectly valid, given our own ways of seeing these things.







Sidenote: I have no problem with the idea of Alistair and Leliana getting together if the warden is dead. To me it's pretty much the same idea as not wanting a lover/spouse to be alone forever if one dies. One doesn't want them to be unhappy for the rest of their lives.

Modifié par errant_knight, 10 août 2010 - 10:17 .

[tuppence95]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Did his face stick like that?

Yes.  I couldn't get him unstuck, so I gave up on that character.  I just couldn't see going through the whole game with Alistair disliking my warden that much.  

[Giggles_Manically]

tuppence95 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Did his face stick like that?

Yes.  I couldn't get him unstuck, so I gave up on that character.  I just couldn't see going through the whole game with Alistair disliking my warden that much.  

I hate glitches and bugs like that.
Although in Awakening my first PC was walking around like he had an invisible Martini glass for a while (Bond style!)

Also I see you got the Ser Gilmore mod! Is it actually done or is the voice not added yet?