KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Why is it I always miss the good discussions?! And always end up in naughty ones?
....Is it too late if I expain my rational for sparing Loghain and executing Alistair....?
Modifié par LadyDamodred, 31 octobre 2010 - 04:13 .
LadyDamodred wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Why is it I always miss the good discussions?! And always end up in naughty ones?
....Is it too late if I expain my rational for sparing Loghain and executing Alistair....?
Yes.
Though I must say, KoP, I still do not understand your rational for executing Alistair for desertion and not Loghain.
LadyDamodred wrote...
Psssh, the face indicated I'm just being evil and tormenting you. Though, if you are ceding me control of what you're allowed to speak about on the forum.... Well, now....
I must say, KoP, I still do not understand your rational for executing Alistair for desertion and not Loghain.
Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 31 octobre 2010 - 04:41 .
tuppence95 wrote...
Whoa! Using Slinks in this playthrough. Redcliffe didn't do too well in the undead battle. I've never lost so many people before. The town is now without a mayor. That was a tough battle, and I was only playing on Normal.
Costin_Razvan wrote...
I must say, KoP, I still do not understand your rational for executing Alistair for desertion and not Loghain.
It never comes to one single reason for Knight or me. We do things for many reasons, and none of our choices are taken lightly. Political implications are considered first and foremost and then moral ones.
Guest_Caladhiel_*
Costin_Razvan wrote...
It never comes to one single reason for Knight or me. We do things for many reasons, and none of our choices are taken lightly. Political implications are considered first and foremost and then moral ones.I must say, KoP, I still do not understand your rational for executing Alistair for desertion and not Loghain.
In my many discussions with KoP, that is always his reason for exectuing Alistair: He considers it desertion and desertion in a time of war is punishable by death. Which is fine...if it were applied equally. >.>
I have always wondered if the 'political implications' would play such a grand role for guys if it was Morrigan or Leliana you had to ditch instead of Alistair...
Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 31 octobre 2010 - 05:00 .
Caladhiel wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
It never comes to one single reason for Knight or me. We do things for many reasons, and none of our choices are taken lightly. Political implications are considered first and foremost and then moral ones.I must say, KoP, I still do not understand your rational for executing Alistair for desertion and not Loghain.
I have always wondered if the 'political implications' would play such a grand role for guys if it was Morrigan or Leliana you had to ditch instead of Alistair...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
In my many discussions with KoP, that is always his reason for exectuing Alistair: He considers it desertion and desertion in a time of war is punishable by death. Which is fine...if it were applied equally. >.>
Neither me or Knight ever considered Loghain a deserter at Ostagar. He was a general making a tactical choice in our eyes, and always will be. There is nothing to suggest that Loghain betrays Fereldan, and in fact many characters consider him loyal to the Country ( even Eamon ).
Alistair on the other hand betrays his country and the order which he states he values dearly.
I have always wondered if the 'political implications' would play such a grand role for guys if it was Morrigan or Leliana you had to ditch instead of Alistair...
If Morrigan was doing the exact same thing Alistair was, and if Morrigan was someone to claim that she wants to save Fereldan and that she loves the Grey Warden order? Then yes I would kill her.
But Morrigan doesn't, Alistair however does.
Lady Jess wrote...
tuppence95 wrote...
Whoa! Using Slinks in this playthrough. Redcliffe didn't do too well in the undead battle. I've never lost so many people before. The town is now without a mayor. That was a tough battle, and I was only playing on Normal.
My first playthrough there, on a mage I was happily lobbing fireballs. I was on easy, and was told there was no friendly fire on that setting. Unfortunately, I killed all the knights and all the militia >.<
Guest_Caladhiel_*
Costin_Razvan wrote...
In my many discussions with KoP, that is always his reason for exectuing Alistair: He considers it desertion and desertion in a time of war is punishable by death. Which is fine...if it were applied equally. >.>
Neither me or Knight ever considered Loghain a deserter at Ostagar. He was a general making a tactical choice in our eyes, and always will be. There is nothing to suggest that Loghain betrays Fereldan, and in fact many characters consider him loyal to the Country ( even Eamon ).
Costin_Razvan wrote...
Alistair on the other hand betrays his country and the order which he states he values dearly.
Costin_Razvan wrote...
In my many discussions with KoP, that is always his reason for exectuing Alistair: He considers it desertion and desertion in a time of war is punishable by death. Which is fine...if it were applied equally. >.>
Neither me or Knight ever considered Loghain a deserter at Ostagar. He was a general making a tactical choice in our eyes, and always will be. There is nothing to suggest that Loghain betrays Fereldan, and in fact many characters consider him loyal to the Country ( even Eamon ).
Alistair on the other hand betrays his country and the order which he states he values dearly.
Modifié par klarabella, 31 octobre 2010 - 05:23 .
tuppence95 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Well, I've said my piece when it comes to Loghain vs. Alistair. I could of course argue in more detail as to why I make that choice and why Alistair won't corner me into killing someone I do not wish to kill, but I believe I made my point. I still love Alistair a lot and I HOPE that DA2 will make my decision worthwile regarding his character development.
I love this game because it has such a variety of paths and it has things that appeal to so many different types of personalities. It's always interesting how we can each look at it and see completely different things. As long as we all remain civil to each other, it's fun to discuss our differences of opinions.
Persephone wrote...
tuppence95 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
Well, I've said my piece when it comes to Loghain vs. Alistair. I could of course argue in more detail as to why I make that choice and why Alistair won't corner me into killing someone I do not wish to kill, but I believe I made my point. I still love Alistair a lot and I HOPE that DA2 will make my decision worthwile regarding his character development.
I love this game because it has such a variety of paths and it has things that appeal to so many different types of personalities. It's always interesting how we can each look at it and see completely different things. As long as we all remain civil to each other, it's fun to discuss our differences of opinions.
And so do I. I have never regretted sparing Loghain, especially not when I marry Alistair to Anora. It turns out to be the best solution in the long run. As for executing Alistair (Mentioned by KOP): I did it once and could endure it no more than executing Loghain. They are my two favorite characters in the game (Strange, I know! Stranger still that Loghain still beats Alistair by a few lengths, heh!) and I want them both to live and find peace. If I were to pick a single dialogue answer of Loghain that makes me replay it again and again it is this: "What I want? What an odd question. I want to ride back to Denerim and sit in the War Room and find no empty chairs at the table. I want to lose nothing else. (And he isn't talking about his teyrnir or riches there) I want a line, clearly drawn, that I can defend. I want an end to this war. All of this can rightly be called my fault. Whether or not you can do better, remains to be seen. But if you can make this the end, Warden, I will follow you. I swear it." The way Simon T. delivers this, it gives me chills EVERY time.
Ah, I am abusing the Alistair thread. Sorry about that, fellow Alistairians.
Couldn't agree more. That's why I keep saying he's been digging his own grave.LadyDamodred wrote...
We're cool with it, as long as it doesn't get nasty.
And just think of different things could be if he said all that before you have to make your choice.
Modifié par klarabella, 31 octobre 2010 - 05:25 .
tuppence95 wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
In my many discussions with KoP, that is always his reason for exectuing Alistair: He considers it desertion and desertion in a time of war is punishable by death. Which is fine...if it were applied equally. >.>
Neither me or Knight ever considered Loghain a deserter at Ostagar. He was a general making a tactical choice in our eyes, and always will be. There is nothing to suggest that Loghain betrays Fereldan, and in fact many characters consider him loyal to the Country ( even Eamon ).
Alistair on the other hand betrays his country and the order which he states he values dearly.
I have always wondered if the 'political implications' would play such a grand role for guys if it was Morrigan or Leliana you had to ditch instead of Alistair...
If Morrigan was doing the exact same thing Alistair was, and if Morrigan was someone to claim that she wants to save Fereldan and that she loves the Grey Warden order? Then yes I would kill her.
But Morrigan doesn't, Alistair however does.
If Loghain had been successful in his attempts to blame and then kill off all the wardens, he would have been responsible for the complete destruction of Ferelden by the Blight. It was his obsession that blinded him to what he was doing, but I would still say that is a huge betrayal of Ferelden. MUCH worse than Alistair walking away.
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