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[shedevil3001]

Raelis25 wrote...

shedevil3001 wrote...
anora is an ok ruler just not with elves

Well, that sucks... It means that no matter what I do, I will not get my desired outcome in this game... Damn it!! (Making things better for the elves was one of my main objectives in this playthrough...)

you can if your dalish ask for a land for the dalish as a boon for city elf you can make shianni a bann or something but no majoy happy ending for elves with anora as queen though she does make other good choices to progress

[Raelis25]

Yankee23 wrote...
Is there a reason you don't want him hardened? If you are looking for him to be a good King hardening him is the way to go.

I felt the 'hardening' line was wildly OOC for my Warden who certainly did not believe that everyone was out for themselves, so that was the main reason. Also, I had no idea that hardening would turn out to be that important in the long run. 

[Bruddajakka]

Dalish get the land regardless of who is, or isn't Queen. And yeah making a Shianna the Bann improves things a bit...though pretty sure the Riot still happens.

[LadyDamodred]

You know...gonna go out a limb and say death and/or having your soul destroyed is not kinder than than being in a loveless marriage and stuck in a job you don't want. Not saying it's great, but pretty sure it's better than that.

[Yankee23]

Raelis25 wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...
Is there a reason you don't want him hardened? If you are looking for him to be a good King hardening him is the way to go.

I felt the 'hardening' line was wildly OOC for my Warden who certainly did not believe that everyone was out for themselves, so that was the main reason. Also, I had no idea that hardening would turn out to be that important in the long run. 

Yep, it's usually wildly ooc for mine as well. If you are an Alistair fan and on the PC get IRS-Alistair http://social.biowar...m/project/2573/  Cmessaz had added much better options to harden him.

[Raelis25]

My PC is a mage, so I can't ask for a boon for the elves, unfortunately.

I really wanted this to be my 'perfect' playthrough!! No dice. Guess I'll have to start a new game and 'harden"Ali, although I hate the 'hardening' line immensely.

Edit: Yankee23, just saw your post. Thank you for that link! I'll be so happy to be able to say something decent to Alistair in that 'hardening' scene instead of being a total **** to him.

Modifié par Raelis25, 07 novembre 2010 - 11:22 .

[LadyDamodred]

Raelis25 wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...
Is there a reason you don't want him hardened? If you are looking for him to be a good King hardening him is the way to go.

I felt the 'hardening' line was wildly OOC for my Warden who certainly did not believe that everyone was out for themselves, so that was the main reason. Also, I had no idea that hardening would turn out to be that important in the long run. 

David Gaider has said that the hardening process in-game is not how it was supposed to be.  Things got edited down to that by mistake.  So don't take the exact line as the sole reason to harden him or not.  If that's what bothers you, cmess's mod IRS-A has two hardening lines, which we changed to get the point across, but not be so douchebaggy.

Edit:  Damnit, Yankee. 

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 07 novembre 2010 - 11:23 .

[Addai]

Raelis25 wrote...

My PC is a mage, so I can't ask for a boon for the elves, unfortunately.

I really wanted this to be my 'perfect' playthrough!! No dice. Guess I'll have to start a new game and 'harden"Ali, although I hate the 'hardening' line immensely.

Edit: Yankee23, just saw your post. Thank you for that link! I'll be so happy to be able to say something decent to Alistair in that 'hardening' scene instead of being a total **** to him.

Ohh, you're on PC and don't have IRS?!  You're in for a treat.  Lots of them, in fact! 

[Raelis25]

LadyDamodred wrote...

David Gaider has said that the hardening process in-game is not how it was supposed to be.  Things got edited down to that by mistake.  So don't take the exact line as the sole reason to harden him or not.  If that's what bothers you, cmess's mod IRS-A has two hardening lines, which we changed to get the point across, but not be so douchebaggy.

Edit:  Damnit, Yankee. 

Thank you. You're right, that line is completely douchebaggy.

[Raelis25]

Addai67 wrote...
Ohh, you're on PC and don't have IRS?!  You're in for a treat.  Lots of them, in fact! 

I believe you. Actually, although I adore Alistair, I found myself leaning toward Zev and Leli when it comes to romance (Ali is always by BFF and brother-in-arms, though). But I'll gladly try this mod out. Alistair is reallyone of the best written game characters I've ever seen (and one of my all-time favorites).

[Yankee23]

Raelis25 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
Ohh, you're on PC and don't have IRS?!  You're in for a treat.  Lots of them, in fact! 

I believe you. Actually, although I adore Alistair, I found myself leaning toward Zev and Leli when it comes to romance (Ali is always by BFF and brother-in-arms, though). But I'll gladly try this mod out. Alistair is reallyone of the best written game characters I've ever seen (and one of my all-time favorites).

There will soon be better romance mods for both Zev and Leli as well!

Modifié par Yankee23, 07 novembre 2010 - 11:31 .

[Tigress M]

Raelis25 wrote...
I felt the 'hardening' line was wildly OOC for my Warden who certainly did not believe that everyone was out for themselves, so that was the main reason. Also, I had no idea that hardening would turn out to be that important in the long run. 

That was me for months.  I didn't even know there was an option to harden Alistair until I started reading these forums.  I just never played a Character that felt like everyone was out for themselves, so like you, I never said that to him.  

Now, I force myself to do it because I like having a hardened Alistair who won't dump my elves and dwarves when I make him king.  But, I still hate that line, even the modified version added by the IRS mod.  

[LadyDamodred]

Tigress M wrote...

Raelis25 wrote...
I felt the 'hardening' line was wildly OOC for my Warden who certainly did not believe that everyone was out for themselves, so that was the main reason. Also, I had no idea that hardening would turn out to be that important in the long run. 

That was me for months.  I didn't even know there was an option to harden Alistair until I started reading these forums.  I just never played a Character that felt like everyone was out for themselves, so like you, I never said that to him.  

Now, I force myself to do it because I like having a hardened Alistair who won't dump my elves and dwarves when I make him king.  But, I still hate that line, even the modified version added by the IRS mod.  

Awww.  ( ._.)
I tried to make the two lines better.  It's hard because we have to make whatever you say there mesh with the lines he will say later about standing up for himself.  So the lines have to make sense within the game, as well as get across the message you want Alistair to hear.

[Raelis25]

Tigress M wrote...

That was me for months.  I didn't even know there was an option to harden Alistair until I started reading these forums.  I just never played a Character that felt like everyone was out for themselves, so like you, I never said that to him.  

Now, I force myself to do it because I like having a hardened Alistair who won't dump my elves and dwarves when I make him king.  But, I still hate that line, even the modified version added by the IRS mod.  

Yes, I didn't know it was an option too on my first playthrough. I was romancing Alistair as a City Elf and I made him a king with Anora a Queen (don't remember what their epilogue was like, hence my questions in this thread), so yeah, I experienced a nasty shock right after the Landsmeet. And then I tried to be all understanding and kind, and he took it as me wanting to stay friends. So in all the subsequent sences he acted as if I had always been his drinking buddy, or something. Very annoying. <_<

I don't like the idea of using such a OOC line for my usually well-meaning and idealistic PCs, but then again, things like freeing Sten are also OOC for them, but I do it anyway... I guess I'll just have to suffer through it. It's just it's so damn hard to resist consoling Ali after his encounter with the nasty Goldanna. If I could, I'd give him a hug!

[Persephone]

An Alistair for my fellow Alistairians:

[Tigress M]

LadyDamodred wrote...
Awww.  ( ._.)
I tried to make the two lines better.  It's hard because we have to make whatever you say there mesh with the lines he will say later about standing up for himself.  So the lines have to make sense within the game, as well as get across the message you want Alistair to hear.

Lady D, please don't take offense!  That line is much better than the original and I'm glad it's there, but it's still not something my PCs would choose to say.  It's not your fault the hardening options got narrowed down to one stupid line. LOL

[Gilsa]

I have complete mixed feelings about Origins now that we know what to expect in DA2 (new heroine, romances not carrying over, etc). I really had hoped that my warden would continue her journey and Alistair would still be around because he was a GW, too. It's the only reason why I stuck with the drunk Alistair ending as my canon because I wanted to see what came of it, to see if I made the right choice in declining the ritual as well because one of us would be dead or a drunk. At least the drunk path had a chance for things to turn around. Now it's obvious to me what a mess everything is -- no one is happy except for Anora who got the monument she wanted for her father. Sheesh. It's almost enough to make me just start a brand new character for DA2 instead of importing anything over. =p On the bright side, I'm getting the "epic romance" need met by Mass Effect though. They handled the Liara romance so well in her DLC that I'm looking forward to the conclusion of the series in ME3 with the romance I've had since ME1! Go Kaidan!

RIP


We shall be together again sooooooooon! (In 2011 pleasepleaseplease)

[Addai]

I wish I could like Mass Effect. There are so few good RPGs. *sigh*

[Gilsa]

Addai67 wrote...

I wish I could like Mass Effect. There are so few good RPGs. *sigh*

It's definitely a different bird than DAO. I can see why people wouldn't like both. It's pretty hard for me to even say which is the better game because they're so different in gameplay, story depth, and characterization. They both offer the cinematic feel like we're in a movie and they both offer romances. That's it. =p

But the one good thing about Mass Effect is that while I won't get to see the drunk ending with Alistair unfold -- I won't be able to try to make amends or whatever -- I do have that drama with Kaidan. He feels betrayed by me very much like Alistair did and told me to ****** off (nicely though). Things are hanging in the air right now and there's a "will they/won't they?" vibe because we don't know what to expect in ME3. Well, I expect hot make-up sex. AND I expect to save the universe at the end of all that with Kaidan pointing at me saying, "That's my woman." I want the whole superhero ending package.  /nod

[LadyDamodred]

Tigress M wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...
Awww.  ( ._.)
I tried to make the two lines better.  It's hard because we have to make whatever you say there mesh with the lines he will say later about standing up for himself.  So the lines have to make sense within the game, as well as get across the message you want Alistair to hear.

Lady D, please don't take offense!  That line is much better than the original and I'm glad it's there, but it's still not something my PCs would choose to say.  It's not your fault the hardening options got narrowed down to one stupid line. LOL

Oh, I'm not offended.  Just sad b/c I understand the feeling.  What I wouldn't give to have his hardening be more like Leliana's where you can talk through it.

[Persephone]

Gilsa wrote...

I have complete mixed feelings about Origins now that we know what to expect in DA2 (new heroine, romances not carrying over, etc). I really had hoped that my warden would continue her journey and Alistair would still be around because he was a GW, too. It's the only reason why I stuck with the drunk Alistair ending as my canon because I wanted to see what came of it, to see if I made the right choice in declining the ritual as well because one of us would be dead or a drunk. At least the drunk path had a chance for things to turn around. Now it's obvious to me what a mess everything is -- no one is happy except for Anora who got the monument she wanted for her father. Sheesh. It's almost enough to make me just start a brand new character for DA2 instead of importing anything over. =p On the bright side, I'm getting the "epic romance" need met by Mass Effect though. They handled the Liara romance so well in her DLC that I'm looking forward to the conclusion of the series in ME3 with the romance I've had since ME1! Go Kaidan!

RIP

Kaidan? Thane all the way!

[Persephone]

Gilsa wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I wish I could like Mass Effect. There are so few good RPGs. *sigh*

It's definitely a different bird than DAO. I can see why people wouldn't like both. It's pretty hard for me to even say which is the better game because they're so different in gameplay, story depth, and characterization. They both offer the cinematic feel like we're in a movie and they both offer romances. That's it. =p

But the one good thing about Mass Effect is that while I won't get to see the drunk ending with Alistair unfold -- I won't be able to try to make amends or whatever -- I do have that drama with Kaidan. He feels betrayed by me very much like Alistair did and told me to ****** off (nicely though). Things are hanging in the air right now and there's a "will they/won't they?" vibe because we don't know what to expect in ME3. Well, I expect hot make-up sex. AND I expect to save the universe at the end of all that with Kaidan pointing at me saying, "That's my woman." I want the whole superhero ending package.  /nod

You might see the Drunk ending unfold as Alistair will be in DA2. We'll soon find out.

[Tigress M]

Raelis25 wrote...
Yes, I didn't know it was an option too on my first playthrough. I was romancing Alistair as a City Elf and I made him a king with Anora a Queen (don't remember what their epilogue was like, hence my questions in this thread), so yeah, I experienced a nasty shock right after the Landsmeet. And then I tried to be all understanding and kind, and he took it as me wanting to stay friends. So in all the subsequent sences he acted as if I had always been his drinking buddy, or something. Very annoying. <_<

I don't like the idea of using such a OOC line for my usually well-meaning and idealistic PCs, but then again, things like freeing Sten are also OOC for them, but I do it anyway... I guess I'll just have to suffer through it. It's just it's so damn hard to resist consoling Ali after his encounter with the nasty Goldanna. If I could, I'd give him a hug!

I hear ya about OOC!  Let's see... my first playthrough I:

didn't recruit Leilana (she was crazy!), Sten (he murdered a family!), or Zevran (he tried to kill me!)...

didn't do some of the Mage Collective quests (like the Lyrium one - thought that was like drug pushing)...

didn't even know about the Blackstone Irregulars (saw 'em but figured a quest would take me to them since they didn't have a ! over their heads like the MC's did and then just forgot about them later in the game)...

didn't ever grab the picket pocket skill (even though I was Rogue, I was an honest one!) so didn't see the "robin hood" quests...

didn't do the Crows quests (I think I killed Ignacio at our first meeting lol)...

didn't talk to Anora before the LM because I was still pissed at her for turning on us when we rescued her (though I will admit I deserved it since she'd just told me she was in danger from both sides) and subsequently couldn't get the votes I needed between not having her support and not doing the Trial of the Crows...

made Alistair King without suggesting I be queen (thank the Maker I didn't suffer THAT embarrassment on my first playthrough) wanting him to propose in his own time...

which I was sure was going to happen when he came and told me we needed to talk after the LM... which of course instead led to him dumping my DE (at which point I actually stopped playing because I was so ticked off and came *this* close to shelving the game for good).  

So yes, there's a lot of things my PCs do now that I've had to come up with some creative RPing to "allow" them to do the things I want done from a metagaming standpoint.  But, it's all fun... except for the hardening Alistair thing... that one is never enjoyable for me.  

[Gilsa]

@Persephone -- LOL, I do have a character that went after Thane! I was impressed with his character when I was playing through on my canon that I couldn't wait to roll a new Shepard to get to know Thane better. Damn, the guy is deep! I am wary about ME3 because I don't want them to just make him a cameo or write him out somehow because of his pre-existing backstory. =/

Edit: And re: drunk in DA2, yeah, but I'd be on Hawke so it feels pointless. Unless ... Hawke could make him feel better, make his pain go away ... yeah, that would work!

Modifié par Gilsa, 08 novembre 2010 - 12:19 .

[Bruddajakka]

I still don't get why people find Kaiden appealing. I mean in Ashley's case once you get past her xenophobia, and tough girl issues she's a pretty interesting character.



Kaiden is just...boring.