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[cmessaz]

I wasn't really annoyed by his reaction tbh. The guy raised him, and he's worried about what he's going to think when he awakens. He takes it out on the pc, and if you do it right without being a butthead he'll apologize. I like that Alistair has personality flaws, which is what this is, and I always call him out on it using the cunning check (this is between you and Eamon and has nothing to do with me) I really don't have a problem with it.

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Modifié par cmessaz, 25 août 2010 - 02:34 .

[Zjarcal]

cmessaz wrote...

I wasn't really annoyed by his reaction tbh. The guy raised him, and he's worried about what he's going to think when he awakens. He takes it out on the pc, and if you do it right without being a butthead he'll apologize. I like that Alistair has personality flaws, which is what this is, and I always call him out on it using the cunning check (this is between you and Eamon and has nothing to do with me) I really don't have a problem with it.

It's not him getting mad that annoys some people (like myself). It's him getting mad at the player for doing something that he himself suggested (killing Connor).

I understand why he's upset about the whole situation and him getting mad at my PC for doing the blood ritual doesn't bother me that much because he was always against it. But to go mental on the player for doing something that he suggested is awfully annoying.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 25 août 2010 - 02:34 .

[Sarah1281]

cmessaz wrote...

I wasn't really annoyed by his reaction tbh. The guy raised him, and he's worried about what he's going to think when he awakens. He takes it out on the pc, and if you do it right without being a butthead he'll apologize. I like that Alistair has personality flaws, which is what this is, and I always call him out on it using the cunning check (this is between you and Eamon and has nothing to do with me) I really don't have a problem with it.

I actually took more issue with that. Connor or Isole is dead and rather than be upset about them he's more worried about Eamon thinking badly of him? Their death isn't about him.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I wasn't really annoyed by his reaction tbh. The guy raised him, and he's worried about what he's going to think when he awakens. He takes it out on the pc, and if you do it right without being a butthead he'll apologize. I like that Alistair has personality flaws, which is what this is, and I always call him out on it using the cunning check (this is between you and Eamon and has nothing to do with me) I really don't have a problem with it.

It's not him getting mad that annoys some people (like myself). It's him getting mad at the player for doing something that he himself suggested (killing Connor).

I understand why he's upset about the whole situation and him getting mad at my PC for doing the blood ritual doesn't bother me that much because he was always against it. But to go mental on the player for doing something that he suggested is awfully annoying.

Yes, it is annoying but it can happen. People do react like that sometimes. I think it's childish, but it happens.

[sylvanaerie]

Nor do I tbh. If you take the conversation a bit further past "kill the boy" and "do the ritual" its Alistair who points out "there are mages and lyrium at the Circle" and later as you prepare to enter the Fade he says "I'm glad we chose this route".



That said I have no qualms on most of my mages feeding that cow to Jowan's ritual and using cunning to keep the loss to a minimum with Alistair. Cause if you lose 21 points you either wanted to be a complete butthead or just lacked the cunning to appeal to him.



Alistair: Blah blah blah (Angry)

PC: (Flashes Mom's amulet)

Alistair: OOOOH shiny!! +approval



Problem solved.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

cmessaz wrote...

I wasn't really annoyed by his reaction tbh. The guy raised him, and he's worried about what he's going to think when he awakens. He takes it out on the pc, and if you do it right without being a butthead he'll apologize. I like that Alistair has personality flaws, which is what this is, and I always call him out on it using the cunning check (this is between you and Eamon and has nothing to do with me) I really don't have a problem with it.

I actually took more issue with that. Connor or Isole is dead and rather than be upset about them he's more worried about Eamon thinking badly of him? Their death isn't about him.

An initial "theory" of mine regarding Alsitair as a character, has been strengthened with each playthrough, and it's the belief that Alistair is very self-centered, possibly without him realising it.

Not saying it's a bad thing, or that it cannot be understood. All his life, he's been treated like crap for something he didn't identify with (being Maric's child). So it's understandable that he developps a self-centered attitude. And it's not the harmful or arrogant kind of self-centered. Maybe I am using the wrong word, but he does think of himself in things that really aren't about him.  

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 août 2010 - 02:40 .

[cmessaz]

Again, I don't think it's really a writing error though. I think he's flawed and it shows. He knows (and I believe) that going to the circle isn't a good choice in reality and that's why he suggests what he does. That's also why he goes out of his way to thank you for doing it if you save both. Everyone is free to feel however they wish about it, but I was just sharing why I'm ok with it. It's not all that hard to build it back up, and everyone is entitled to making mistakes from time to time. And he is making a mistake by suggesting killing Connor then yelling at you for it. It makes the game more realistic that he has flaws.

[Zjarcal]

cmessaz wrote...

It makes the game more realistic that he has flaws.

I don't think anyone will argue with that.

[cmessaz]

It was dear KoP who talked me into killing off Isolde or Connor in the old thread. I used to be afraid of being yelled at. >.< But he's right, it's not smart to put the good of the few ahead of the good of the many.

[Fangirl17]

Hm,Im going to reload and rp it differently.Scarlet will be selfish and be angered by his reaction.If Alistair is going to go on a rage rant her instinct is going to be to lash back. She's not the typical hero type.She never wanted to be a GW she just saw it as a way to be free from the Circle. Not once has she called herself a Grey Warden. I didnt really stick to her character during Ali's reaction and after a couple of conversations of her saying certain things just to get approval from him I felt wierd and out of character. So lets try this again >.<

Edit: Oh snap,I got a -24 this time XD I wont worry about it though,Its just a rough patch in thier relationship.The'll forgive each other later.

Modifié par Fangirl17, 25 août 2010 - 02:58 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Fangirl17 wrote...

Hm,Im going to reload and rp it differently.Scarlet will be selfish and be angered by his reaction.If Alistair is going to go on a rage rant her instinct is going to be to lash back. She's not the typical hero type.She never wanted to be a GW she just saw it as a way to be free from the Circle. Not once has she called herself a Grey Warden. I didnt really stick to her character during Ali's reaction and after a couple of conversations of her saying certain things just to get approval from him I felt wierd and out of character. So lets try this again >.<

Yea, do that. It makes the relationship with Alistair much more interesting.

Everyone here knows that I love Morrigan a lot. But I kid you not that I rped that Arcturus (my canon) was annoyed by Morrigan throughout redcliff and they kind of stopped talking for a while. Of course he re-realised his feelings for her when he was worried as hell as Morrigan is being sent to the fade.  And that's when the first kiss happened (and shortly after, tent time).

This rping goodness (goodness to me at least) is worth the approval loss that was easily recovered via gifts. 

@ Cmess. Glad I could be of assistance  

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 août 2010 - 02:59 .

[Zjarcal]

Fangirl17 wrote...

Hm,Im going to reload and rp it differently.Scarlet will be selfish and be angered by his reaction.If Alistair is going to go on a rage rant her instinct is going to be to lash back. She's not the typical hero type.She never wanted to be a GW she just saw it as a way to be free from the Circle. Not once has she called herself a Grey Warden. I didnt really stick to her character during Ali's reaction and after a couple of conversations of her saying certain things just to get approval from him I felt wierd and out of character. So lets try this again >.<

My current PCs reaction in that conversation was somewhat similar. She wasn't selfish but she was angered by his reaction. She tried to keep it civil throughout the conversation but at the end she just lost it. She didn't use the cunning option because at that point she was too annoyed to try to reason any further. So she went with the "quit your whining" line. Alistair didn't appreciate it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

They say that tent time is much better after a fight, or at least after the reconciliation. Totally worth insulting a loved one every once and a while

[Zjarcal]

Make-up sex is the best.

[Fangirl17]

Zjarcal wrote...

Fangirl17 wrote...

Hm,Im going to reload and rp it differently.Scarlet will be selfish and be angered by his reaction.If Alistair is going to go on a rage rant her instinct is going to be to lash back. She's not the typical hero type.She never wanted to be a GW she just saw it as a way to be free from the Circle. Not once has she called herself a Grey Warden. I didnt really stick to her character during Ali's reaction and after a couple of conversations of her saying certain things just to get approval from him I felt wierd and out of character. So lets try this again >.<

My current PCs reaction in that conversation was somewhat similar. She wasn't selfish but she was angered by his reaction. She tried to keep it civil throughout the conversation but at the end she just lost it. She didn't use the cunning option because at that point she was too annoyed to try to reason any further. So she went with the "quit your whining" line. Alistair didn't appreciate it.

 
I guess I put selfish in there because she knew she could of gone to the Circle for help but didnt because she hates that place so much.
Heh,she didnt really get that mad and say the quit whinning line.She stood her ground and said "A decision had to be made.I made it." with this face >:l yep. With a tone of voice like "deal with it biotch"

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

Make-up sex is the best.

*Learns a new word that sumarises the sentence or two I wrote.* Thanks

[Zjarcal]

@Fangirl17

I wouldn't say refusing to go to the Circle is selfish, whatever the motivation. It's in fact the most rational thing to do considering that a demon is on the loose and all kinds of crap could occur in the two or three days you'll be away. That nothing occurs in the game is illogical to me.
And I like how you deliver that last line. 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 25 août 2010 - 03:23 .

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Make-up sex is the best.

*Learns a new word that sumarises the sentence or two I wrote.* Thanks

You're welcome.

[Fangirl17]

Zjarcal wrote...

I wouldn't say refusing to go to the Circle is selfish, whatever the motivation. It's in fact the most rational thing to do considering that a demon is on the loose and all kind of crap could occur in the two or three days you'll be away. That nothing occurs in the game is illogical to me.
And I like how you deliver that last line. 

True,and thank you xD It fits her character so well. She could possibly be my favorite character because she's not a steriotypical hero that wants to save the day and she is going to have the most character growth of all my characters.

[cmessaz]

Zjarcal wrote...

@Fangirl17

I wouldn't say refusing to go to the Circle is selfish, whatever the motivation. It's in fact the most rational thing to do considering that a demon is on the loose and all kind of crap could occur in the two or three days you'll be away. That nothing occurs in the game is illogical to me.
And I like how you deliver that last line. 

Exactly. Too many things could happen. What if you are attacked by darkspawn, or you fall on a crack and break your leg, or whatever, many things can slow you down, or keep you from even completing the mission. Alistair likes to be a good guy and all, but if you think about it, you can almost see going to the circle as the bad decision. It really is too bad the game doesn't show any consequences for your action in this scenareo. You are a grey warden, and it is your mission to stop the blight anyway. Unless you need the treaty still, it's just not smart. And even if you have gotten the treaty, your gonna leave a demon on the loose for who knows how long just to save 1 person? A demon who has already killed off half of Redcliffe?

Modifié par cmessaz, 25 août 2010 - 03:27 .

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...

@Fangirl17

I wouldn't say refusing to go to the Circle is selfish, whatever the motivation. It's in fact the most rational thing to do considering that a demon is on the loose and all kinds of crap could occur in the two or three days you'll be away. That nothing occurs in the game is illogical to me.
And I like how you deliver that last line. 

I disagree. If your reason is simply not wanting to go back to the Circle like she said it was, that's really selfish. Granted, it's also a safe choice given the demon but if that's not why you're doing it then your motive can be perfectly selfish. Say you don't do it because you want to kill Isolde. That's selfish. Doing it because it's too much hassle to go to the Circle and back. Also selfish.

[Fangirl17]

Hehe,now that I think about it her face kinda always look like >:l because I lowered her eyebrows to give her a serious look.

Modifié par Fangirl17, 25 août 2010 - 03:33 .

[Zjarcal]

@cmessaz



I have always thought that Bann Teagan getting killed by the demon (or possessed again, this time forcing you to kill him) while you were away, would've been a great way to counterbalance the "going to the circle" option.



I'm pretty sure many people would think twice about choosing it if something like that happened.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Fangirl17 wrote...

Hehe,now that I think about it her face kinda always look like >:l because I lowered her eyebrows to give her a seriouse look.

Which is hot.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

@Fangirl17

I wouldn't say refusing to go to the Circle is selfish, whatever the motivation. It's in fact the most rational thing to do considering that a demon is on the loose and all kinds of crap could occur in the two or three days you'll be away. That nothing occurs in the game is illogical to me.
And I like how you deliver that last line. 

I disagree. If your reason is simply not wanting to go back to the Circle like she said it was, that's really selfish. Granted, it's also a safe choice given the demon but if that's not why you're doing it then your motive can be perfectly selfish. Say you don't do it because you want to kill Isolde. That's selfish. Doing it because it's too much hassle to go to the Circle and back. Also selfish.

That's a good point. It falls in the "doing the right thing for the wrong reasons" category.