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[Zjarcal]

RagingCyclone wrote...
@Giggles--I replayed an older character to get the slider for Leliana that some had not heard of before. My current playthrough will have a much happier ending than this one did. Though I have never heard Anora's eulogy, I'm not sure I want to after hearing how bad she is in it.

Who says Anora's eulogy is bad? Honestly I found it much better delivered than Alistair. True, she doesn't speak of you as a friend (since you weren't), but she does a great job in my opinion, making up for her grating speech before the final battle.

Then again, some people just hate Anora so much that nothing she does will ever be good.

[LadyDamodred]

It makes me curious. Is Alistair's eulogy very different if he and PC hated each other's guts?

[Zjarcal]

LadyDamodred wrote...

It makes me curious. Is Alistair's eulogy very different if he and PC hated each other's guts?

I'll go check in the toolset! I'm curious now.

EDIT: BOO! No difference at all.

SECOND EDIT: The only difference is at the very end. If you're not at friendly or warm, he says "You will be missed. Fare you well."

Modifié par Zjarcal, 24 novembre 2010 - 07:22 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Zjarcal wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...
@Giggles--I replayed an older character to get the slider for Leliana that some had not heard of before. My current playthrough will have a much happier ending than this one did. Though I have never heard Anora's eulogy, I'm not sure I want to after hearing how bad she is in it.

Who says Anora's eulogy is bad? Honestly I found it much better delivered than Alistair. True, she doesn't speak of you as a friend (since you weren't), but she does a great job in my opinion, making up for her grating speech before the final battle.

Then again, some people just hate Anora so much that nothing she does will ever be good.

I dont hate Anora.
I just think her eulogy is not as good as Alistair's.

[Melca36]

Schratty wrote...

Sorry to spam, but I found a hilarious comic regarding Bann Teagan's flirtation with the Fem!Warden. Pay close attention to Alistair in the background. I lol'ed so hard.

Dayum Bann Teagan

Drawn by: Melii

I LOVE IT!!


I have always wanted to get disapproval from Alistair when my characters flirt with Teagan. 

[RagingCyclone]

Zjarcal wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...
@Giggles--I replayed an older character to get the slider for Leliana that some had not heard of before. My current playthrough will have a much happier ending than this one did. Though I have never heard Anora's eulogy, I'm not sure I want to after hearing how bad she is in it.

Who says Anora's eulogy is bad? Honestly I found it much better delivered than Alistair. True, she doesn't speak of you as a friend (since you weren't), but she does a great job in my opinion, making up for her grating speech before the final battle.

Then again, some people just hate Anora so much that nothing she does will ever be good.

I don't mean bad as in she puts you down, but  just as you said very impersonal. I know there were several requests at the Nexus for a mod that allowed either the LI or someone from the origin you played to give the eulogy instead of her.   There was also a real hate towards Rica since she is more concerned about what she benefits instead of losing a sister/brother. But that's another topic in and of itself for another time.

Modifié par RagingCyclone, 24 novembre 2010 - 07:49 .

[RagingCyclone]

Zjarcal wrote...

LadyDamodred wrote...

It makes me curious. Is Alistair's eulogy very different if he and PC hated each other's guts?

I'll go check in the toolset! I'm curious now.

EDIT: BOO! No difference at all.

SECOND EDIT: The only difference is at the very end. If you're not at friendly or warm, he says "You will be missed. Fare you well."

Well, damn. I was going for just that with my Phillip character too. Trying to get the -100 speech from Alistair just to hear it.

[Zjarcal]

I suppose they did it like that to show that even if he hates your guts, he still respects your sacrifice. Still, it's kind of disappointing.

[Giggles_Manically]

Well what was he supposed to say...



Farewell you giant a hole, I hope you burn in hell!

[LadyDamodred]

*chuckles*



Well, I suppose he could sound a lot icier. Ah well, was a thought. But good on him for still being civil.

[Zjarcal]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Well what was he supposed to say...

Farewell you giant a hole, I hope you burn in hell!

No, but for example the line where he talks about the LI seems inappropriate for him in that case.

And like Lady D mentioned, his tone could be icier.

[RagingCyclone]

This is the speech I am aiming for:

[Giggles_Manically]

Does Anora mention the Warden's LI at all?

[Zjarcal]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Does Anora mention the Warden's LI at all?

Yes she does.

RagingCyclone wrote...

This is the speech I am aiming for:

I'm almost there in my current run, -96 hostile!!

But I will save the last 4 points of disapproval for after the Landsmeet when I make him marry Anora (unhardened) so that you when I get the hate speech, I  get the extra line about how sad it is that the king of Ferelden can't handle things by himself.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 24 novembre 2010 - 08:14 .

[RagingCyclone]

Zjar, how'd you get him there? I've at best gotten him to -62, and that was after leaving Redcliffe to die, and then killing both Isolde and Connor.

Modifié par RagingCyclone, 24 novembre 2010 - 08:16 .

[Tigress M]

RagingCyclone wrote...

This is the speech I am aiming for:

Thanks for that link!  I've never had the heart to have any of my companions disapprove of my wardens enough to confront them, so seeing that cutscene on YT is the only way I'd ever know what Alistair says during that convo.  

[Giggles_Manically]

Just run around killing everyone and everything you can:

Keep the Anvil

Kill the Dalish

Kill Conner and Isolde

Leave Redcliffe

Insult Duncan EVERY time

Call him an idiot in front of his sister's house (-50)



Pretty much be the biggest twerp in history and that works.

The Feastday pranks make this easier though.

[RagingCyclone]

Tigress, that's how I heard it too. So now I have a DC that is an absolute thug. bad thing is with it I'm trying to keep Leliana around, so I don't have her with me like I normally do. Plus a lot of telling NPC's "well, good luck with that"

Giggles, that's what I have been doing so far. Haven't gotten outside his sister's house yet, but -50? I have to keep that in mind. That could net the speech right there in  Denerim.

Modifié par RagingCyclone, 24 novembre 2010 - 08:23 .

[Zjarcal]

@RC

Oh, it's easy. Here's a list of the things I've done that have given disapproval:

- Killed the hungry deserter in Ostagar.
- Killed the injured soldier in the Korcari Wilds
- Told him to quit whining when Duncan's giving the instructions about the tower of Ishall
- In Flemeth's hut, picked all the snarky dialogs about Alistair being the real GW, not me.
- Threatened the priest in Lothering
- Killed the merchant in Lothering
- Told him to stop bothering me when I have the first dream of the Archdemon
- Told him to stop crying over Duncan
- Recruited Shale and told him "thanks for stating the obvious"
- Left Cailan to the wolves in Return to Ostagar
- Killed Connor and told him to zip it during his angry speech back at camp.

Actually that got me to exactly -100, so I reloaded the angry speech over Connor and picked a different line to get -36 approval instead of -40 (again, to save the hate speech for after the Landsmeet).

I have kept him out of the party for the entire game since Lothering (only took him to RtO to get his disapproval for Cailan's body and for the recruiting cutscene of Shale). I could've reached -100 sooner if I had taken him with me throughout the whole game since I also released Jowan from his cell, killed Wynne (and I wouldn't have used any persuade option on him), and sided with the werewolves. I also killed Owen and Lloyd in Redcliffe.

If you tell him that he's an idiot during his personal quest I think what happens is that you lose all positive approval with him, but if you're already in the negative I'm not sure what happens. I'll have to check in the toolset.

EDIT: Just checked. The idiot line during his personal quest sets his approval to zero, so if you're already in the negative there's no approval drop.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 24 novembre 2010 - 08:33 .

[RagingCyclone]

So far I have:

insulted him in Ostagar,

Killed both the wounded soldier and deserter,

called him a crybaby in front of Duncan at the pyre,

put down the Warden's outside Flemeth's hut (got approval there somehow),

sided with the merchant in Lothering,

avoided intimidating the priest in Lothering (Leliana was there),

Told Owen I could care less about his daughter,

made out with Kaitlyn then called her brother a little brat,

left Redcliffe to go back to camp,

freed Jowan, let him perform the ritual on Isolde, killed Connor,

that's about how far I have gotten with him so far.

[Yankee23]

I don't know if there is a difference if he's not in a romance or based on where your approval is with him, but I once got a -100 drop when he asks why he should marry Anora. I used the response because you'll do what I tell you ( or something similar). I reloaded of course, but it's worth a try of your trying to get big approval hits.

[Zjarcal]

@RC



Hmm, you missed out on some good approval drops there. I recruited Leli after doing everything in Lothering so I didn't have to worry about her approval when intimidating the priest or killing the merchant. That was a nice -15 drop.



If you haven't done RtO, there's another chance for a -10 drop.

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
I like Alistair's eulogy more than Anora's to be honest. His sounds like a friend at a funeral, while Anora sounds well like a politician.
I am seriously being abusive over the last runs I have done it seems.

I was always a bit disturbed because I felt that Anora sounded more emotional about my death than Alistair did and in games where Alistair doesn't hate me for that whole sparing-his-father-in-law thing he should probably care more than Anora does. In fact, I'm sure he does but she manages to sound like she cares more. That would be the sign of a politician, I guess.

[Zjarcal]

Yankee23 wrote...

I don't know if there is a difference if he's not in a romance or based on where your approval is with him, but I once got a -100 drop when he asks why he should marry Anora. I used the response because you'll do what I tell you ( or something similar). I reloaded of course, but it's worth a try of your trying to get big approval hits.

Like the approval drop at Goldanna's, it's one of those "set approval to zero" situations. So it won't work to get to -100 approval.

EDIT: Correction, it's meant to set approval to zero for wardens in love, friendly, or warm. For wardens already at hostile it represents an "extreme" approval drop. Can't say how much it would be.

@RC:

Are you taking Alistair with you on every quest? I suppose that might be the problem. Some of your actions may be compensating for the approval drops.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 24 novembre 2010 - 08:51 .

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

That happened on one of my runs.

Honestly all the endings leave room for Fereldan to be so screwed over.

Orzamar can be happy.
Redcliffe can be happy
The Mages can be happy
The Dalish can be happy

Everything except the throne of Fereldan can be fully fixed. Bioware can easily screw Fereldan over and make everything fall apart.

Orzammar can be happy? Really? The best ending involves the Assembly getting so obnoxious that they have to be dissolved and wisdespread noble and warrior caste discontent which is likely to really backfire on Orzammar once Bhelen dies, if not sooner.