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[RagingCyclone]

Zjarcal wrote...

RagingCyclone wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Oghren cant be beaten for him razzing Kolgrim.

"I leave you a wing"

Or after kissing Bella  "Hot!" 

The best one in my opinion is if you do the threesome with Leliana and Isabela as a female. 

"Too much to handle... Stone!"

And he wants to give Wynne a roll, look up Leliana's chantry dress, teases Alistair about his pike twirling, and chases the dog down to get his pants back.

[Melca36]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Isolde annoyed me so much.
She cares about her child when most of the village is dead, the castle is dead and a demon is on the loose. I know that parents love their children, but to not care that so many people are dead and not mention it, plus getting huffy for asking questions really annoys me.

If I don't kill Isolde...I feel its for Connor's benefit that he goes to the Circle. He needs to get away from her.

[Reika]

Lol, I did like Oghren better in DAO than Awakening, it seemed like they just a total reset on his personality and made him an even bigger drunken fool. Which is a pity, I'd've liked to have seen some changes in him after DAO.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Nevermind

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 novembre 2010 - 04:21 .

[Ryzaki]

Reika wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...No offense but I never understood the "Alistair is betraying Fereldan by leaving". As far as Alistair and the Warden are considered at that moment they lost one soldier. A good one but just one. They know nothing about the Warden having to die to kill the Archedemon.

I see that as him turning his back on the Warden as he felt the Warden just did to him.

At the time he was only one of three Wardens in Ferelden and should have been there to help end the Blight since that was his duty as a Warden.

But I can see why he'd turn and walk away with Loghain being spared. I didn't see it as just all Duncan. In fact when he first argues against sparing Loghain, he refers to brothers, then he and the Warden being hunted and what happened to Riordan.

Hm. I see so he's betraying his Warden vows. But I still don'tunderstand how that equals betraying the country. Him leaving doesn't place the country in any more danger (not to his or the PCs knowledge)

Though yes I can see why he'd get so disgusted once Loghain was spared. I could see my HN PC having the same exact view to Howe being spared.

[Melca36]

Ryzaki wrote...

Ah Isolde. Honestly I kill Conner even on my romancing Alistair playthroughs just for the punch of glory. I really hate her. Between her voice, her self-absorbance and the fact that everything that happened at Redcliffe was her fault I just...urgh.

I once wrote a fan fiction where Teagan actually thanked my character for killing Isolde. 

[Reika]

Well, Wardens are sworn to stop darkspawn wherever they are, and a Blight is something every Warden is going to want to stop. While Alistair and the Warden don't know the details, they do know only Wardens can stop the Blight. Leaving Ferelden to the Blight is definitely betraying the country.

[Melca36]

Reika wrote...

Lol, I did like Oghren better in DAO than Awakening, it seemed like they just a total reset on his personality and made him an even bigger drunken fool. Which is a pity, I'd've liked to have seen some changes in him after DAO.

Hated Oghren in AWAKENINGS. It bothered me so much I barely used him. I did do his quest to make him be a better father but other than that...He stays behind at the Vigil.

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Nevermind

Well played old bean.

[Reika]

Melca36 wrote...

Hated Oghren in AWAKENINGS. It bothered me so much I barely used him. I did do his quest to make him be a better father but other than that...He stays behind at the Vigil.

I'm glad I'm not the only one. I did start seeing some potential for him at the end of DAO (I hadn't previously, until a few people pointed out some dialogue options I'd missed), he really was starting to get out of the drunken sot and showing signs of the warrior he'd been before Branka pulled her crap.

And some of his conversations with Alistair were priceless.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Nevermind

Well played old bean.

Wasn't easy.

[Giggles_Manically]

I loved the speech you get from Oghren at friendly approval.



"Today I will be the warrior you taught me to be!", that was a good one.

[Sarah1281]

Ryzaki wrote...
Hm. I see so he's betraying his Warden vows. But I still don'tunderstand how that equals betraying the country. Him leaving doesn't place the country in any more danger (not to his or the PCs knowledge)

Though yes I can see why he'd get so disgusted once Loghain was spared. I could see my HN PC having the same exact view to Howe being spared.

To me, betraying your country doesn't have to mean that you doing or not doing something would mean that the country is destroyed. Alistair is being counted on to help save Ferelden and even shows up as a candidate for king even though he has been very much against this for some time just to ensure that Ferelden has a chance against the Blight and aren't still killing each other than the darkspawn show up. At the very beginning, he tells you he has no intention of abandoning Ferelden and doesn't say anything about not wanting to betray his Warden oath by going to meet up with the Wardens in Orlais. He is committed to protecting Ferelden and that's why you go out on that mad treaty quest in the first place. Then you do something he can't forgive and he leaves.

Yes, he's done a lot before then but just because someone IRL might have done a lot for their country in the past doesn't mean that they can't betray it. It doesn't matter whether the country will survive after someone betrayed it as the destruction of what you're supposed to be protecting is not necessary for it to be a betrayal. You can call it desertion if you wish but I see desertion and betrayal as pretty much the same.

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Nevermind

Well played old bean.

Wasn't easy.

<hands KoP back the end of his tounge>
I know mate, i know. 

[Reika]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I loved the speech you get from Oghren at friendly approval.

"Today I will be the warrior you taught me to be!", that was a good one.

I dug up that speech on YT, that was pretty awesome. I'm going to try for that on my current playthrough.

And since it's Thursday somewhere in the world... And to keep it on topic.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
Yes, he's done a lot before then but just because someone IRL might have done a lot for their country in the past doesn't mean that they can't betray it. 

*Waits for Loghain to be mentionned*

You know it's going to happen.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 25 novembre 2010 - 04:34 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Reika wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I loved the speech you get from Oghren at friendly approval.

"Today I will be the warrior you taught me to be!", that was a good one.

I dug up that speech on YT, that was pretty awesome. I'm going to try for that on my current playthrough.

And since it's Thursday somewhere in the world... And to keep it on topic.

If you dont keep the anvil use the line (Oghren you lost Branka to this what do you want?) to get back 7 approval points.
Sarah pointed that out to me.

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Nevermind

Well played old bean.

Wasn't easy.

Now I'm curious what you had posted.

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
Yes, he's done a lot before then but just because someone IRL might have done a lot for their country in the past doesn't mean that they can't betray it. 

*Waits for Loghain to be mentionned*

You know it's going to happen.

<grabs a snack>
Also nice work on the Loghain Tribute vid KoP.

[Lady Jess]

Reika wrote...

Well, Wardens are sworn to stop darkspawn wherever they are, and a Blight is something every Warden is going to want to stop. While Alistair and the Warden don't know the details, they do know only Wardens can stop the Blight. Leaving Ferelden to the Blight is definitely betraying the country.

Not neccessaily. The blight threatens the world not JUST Ferelden. I forget where I saw it, but it was suggested even Duncan would have left to join up with the Orlesian Wardens and prepare to fight it when it reached that far rather than rush to save one country, especially when that country was so busy fighting amongst itself. I know I read it in Lady D's fic, but it was mentioned somewhere else. The Wardens themselves are not a Ferelden order. They have a contingent there (Or had) just like they do in Orlais and the Anderfels. If Duncan had lived, and it was you and him, and he said "We can do nothing here, let's join up with our forces and be ready elsewhere" would HE have been betraying Ferelden?" No. Alistair puts his foot down, and leaves the order. He may be seen as betraying you, he may be seen as betraying the wardens, but not Ferelden as a whole.

[Reika]

Lady Jess - There is that. But through the game he does talk about saving Ferelden. In a way I do see him walking out on his country as well. Just because the Wardens aren't exclusive to one country, you still have a special place for your home.



It's not always a happy special place, but its still there.

[Yankee23]

Reika wrote...

Well, Wardens are sworn to stop darkspawn wherever they are, and a Blight is something every Warden is going to want to stop. While Alistair and the Warden don't know the details, they do know only Wardens can stop the Blight. Leaving Ferelden to the Blight is definitely betraying the country.

While I do not agree (but I do understand) with what Alistair does at the landsmeet if you spare Loghain, I do not see it as a betrayal of Fereldan. Neither Alistair or the wardens are sworn to protect Fereldan, in any way. They are sworn to fight darkspawn and stop the blight. If the warden could have decided at the beginning of the game to go join up with the other wardens and left Fereldan to it's fate, they have not betrayed anything. He betrays his oath to the wardens but not Fereldan.

[Lady Jess]

Reika wrote...

Lady Jess - There is that. But through the game he does talk about saving Ferelden. In a way I do see him walking out on his country as well. Just because the Wardens aren't exclusive to one country, you still have a special place for your home.

It's not always a happy special place, but its still there.

I have a special place for my home, yes. But I left it. I swore all my life I'd never leave PA. But I did, and haven't been back, and don't want to move back there. Doesn't mean I betrayed it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

@ Zjarcal
Nothing, just wanted to avoid getting into an argument now. I am trying to write a paper.

Giggles_Manically wrote...
Also nice work on the Loghain Tribute vid KoP.

Thanks!

[Giggles_Manically]

Lady Jess wrote...

Reika wrote...

Lady Jess - There is that. But through the game he does talk about saving Ferelden. In a way I do see him walking out on his country as well. Just because the Wardens aren't exclusive to one country, you still have a special place for your home.

It's not always a happy special place, but its still there.

But you didnt leave it when a horde of genocidal monsters were coming over the border though. 

I have a special place for my home, yes. But I left it. I swore all my life I'd never leave PA. But I did, and haven't been back, and don't want to move back there. Doesn't mean I betrayed it.