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[Ryzaki]

Sarah1281 wrote...
 To me, betraying your country doesn't have to mean that you doing or not doing something would mean that the country is destroyed. Alistair is being counted on to help save Ferelden and even shows up as a candidate for king even though he has been very much against this for some time just to ensure that Ferelden has a chance against the Blight and aren't still killing each other than the darkspawn show up. At the very beginning, he tells you he has no intention of abandoning Ferelden and doesn't say anything about not wanting to betray his Warden oath by going to meet up with the Wardens in Orlais. He is committed to protecting Ferelden and that's why you go out on that mad treaty quest in the first place. Then you do something he can't forgive and he leaves.

Yes, he's done a lot before then but just because someone IRL might have done a lot for their country in the past doesn't mean that they can't betray it. It doesn't matter whether the country will survive after someone betrayed it as the destruction of what you're supposed to be protecting is not necessary for it to be a betrayal. You can call it desertion if you wish but I see desertion and betrayal as pretty much the same.

Eh. Lady Jess said this better than I could. Also I still don't see it as a betrayal personally.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Lady Jess wrote...
I have a special place for my home, yes. But I left it. I swore all my life I'd never leave PA. But I did, and haven't been back, and don't want to move back there. Doesn't mean I betrayed it.

How did it fare against the ultimate threat of extinction without the help of Jessrage?

[Reika]

Er, Lady Jess, I think that's a completely different situation. It's not like PA was under threat of a darkspawn invasion.



Of course according to a friend of mine who lives in the Philly area, it might as well be.

[Lady Jess]

Giggles_Manically wrote...


But you didnt leave it when a horde of genocidal monsters were coming over the border though. 

Have you ever MET a Cleveland Browns fan?

[Giggles_Manically]

Lady Jess wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...


But you didnt leave it when a horde of genocidal monsters were coming over the border though. 

Have you ever MET a Cleveland Browns fan?

Have you ever met a Winnipeg Blue Bomber's fan? <_<

[Lady Jess]

Reika wrote...

Er, Lady Jess, I think that's a completely different situation. It's not like PA was under threat of a darkspawn invasion.

Of course according to a friend of mine who lives in the Philly area, it might as well be.

No, just a Terrorist attack less than an hour away from us. We left less than a year after that.

[errant_knight]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I should learn to step away from fanbases who can be poked to much.

Although the flaming I took for liking Ronan Dex more than Teal'C on a Stargate board is the worst I ever got.

You...what? Dude!

[mellifera]

Lady Jess wrote...

Reika wrote...

Er, Lady Jess, I think that's a completely different situation. It's not like PA was under threat of a darkspawn invasion.

Of course according to a friend of mine who lives in the Philly area, it might as well be.

No, just a Terrorist attack less than an hour away from us. We left less than a year after that.

I hear ya. Living on Manhattan... every day it's something new. Sigh. Doesn't help a worrier like me, even though I'm in Canada now I still worry... blah.

[Lady Jess]

yukidama wrote...

Lady Jess wrote...

Reika wrote...

Er, Lady Jess, I think that's a completely different situation. It's not like PA was under threat of a darkspawn invasion.

Of course according to a friend of mine who lives in the Philly area, it might as well be.

No, just a Terrorist attack less than an hour away from us. We left less than a year after that.

I hear ya. Living on Manhattan... every day it's something new. Sigh. Doesn't help a worrier like me, even though I'm in Canada now I still worry... blah.

I know what you mean. Granted the passengers brought down the plane in PA. But we had Three Mile Island, and I don't remember a day of people NOT worrying about it (Nuclear power plant), and other coal generated power plants around the state. And it didn't get any better living in alaska with the pipeline, or here near Seattle...lol

[Gilsa]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I hope that Gaider does throw it in people's faces just how broken Alistair does become.
Though I lack a lot of respect for any person who puts their feelings over the fate of a nation, and their duty they swore to uphold. But thats just me, I guess leaving a nation to be devoured because you lost a person you knew for six months entitles you to that.

I get your perspective, but I don't think Gaider is going to rub anything in anyone's faces unless this kind of thing advances the story. He did say that he intentionally wrote Alistair into the position of allowing his hatred of Loghain to corrupt him much in the same way Loghain allowed his hatred of the Orlesians to corrupt him. They're both good men in their own ways and they're also both very human. I do get your loss of respect though.

[Tigress M]

 I'll get around to catching up on what I missed in a min, but first I've got two very important things to do.  

To those living in the states, Happy Thanksgiving!  

And to everyone, Happy Smut Thursday!

[Tigress M]

Zjarcal wrote...
Now to lighten up the mood, here's something everyone can enjoy, KO'd Isolde!

I prefer dead Isolde, but KO'd works, too.  

RagingCyclone wrote...

Shale and Oghren are my two favorites for funny one liners. Oghren is still the top, but Shale is a very, very close second.   Especially her reaction to me telling her that finding out she is female makes her cuter. She then says she will feel awkward when she finds me staring at her butt. 

I like Oghren's humor, too.  My favorite line of his is the "Well, shave my back and call me an elf!" upon seeing Branka for the first time.  But, like Rieka said, I was disappointed with him in Awakening.  I really thought, especially after his goodbye at the gates in DAO, that he'd grown up.  Awakening proved me wrong. 

Those Shale convos must be male lines, 'cause I've never seen them, having only played one male Warden, and then only long enough to get Morrigan's romance achievement.  Now you're tempting me to play another one... maybe.  

Melca36 wrote...
I once wrote a fan fiction where Teagan actually thanked my character for killing Isolde. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Linky!  I would love to see that!  

Melca36 wrote...
Hated Oghren in AWAKENINGS. It bothered me so much I barely used him. I did do his quest to make him be a better father but other than that...He stays behind at the Vigil.

How do you get his approval up high enough?  I've never managed to do it since he starts Awakening at 0 approval again, grrr.

[Tigress M]

What happens to a hardened Alistair where you spare Loghain?  I'm curious because as much as I feel Alistair's abandonment as a betrayal of everything and everyone he cared about, I can also see it as him taking the Warden's advice to "stand up for himself" to the extreme by putting his foot down and forcing the Warden to choose between him and Loghain.  

Because right or wrong, I think that's what that scene comes down to in Alistair's mind.  And, I think, going back to the hardened Alistair theme, that if the story had allowed it, a hardened Alistair would have ignored the Warden's decision and killed Loghain anyway.  

When the Warden chooses Loghain, Alistair's world falls apart and nothing matters to him any longer.  I hate that this is his reaction, but I've always been able to understand it.  

[LadyDamodred]

errant_knight wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
I should learn to step away from fanbases who can be poked to much.

Although the flaming I took for liking Ronan Dex more than Teal'C on a Stargate board is the worst I ever got.

You...what? Dude!

*joins Giggles in his corner*
Though, pretty sure Ronan's unf-worthiness is what does it for me. 

Tigress:  His reaction to sparing Loghain is the same where he's hardened or unhardened.

Also, I really need to take nakie Alistair to the Landsmeet and betray him.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 25 novembre 2010 - 02:22 .

[Yankee23]

Happy Thanksgiving Alistarians! Enjoy the feast!

[Skyl4rk]

*gulp* That is some delicious looking...turkey...



*curses for being Canadian and wishes to partake in the American festivities.*

[RagingCyclone]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone here in the states. And for those who are not, here I finally have some Ali smut for this wonderful Thursday:





And for Giggles, Zjar, myself, and other Leli fans:

[Giggles_Manically]

LadyDamodred wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...
I should learn to step away from fanbases who can be poked to much.

Although the flaming I took for liking Ronan Dex more than Teal'C on a Stargate board is the worst I ever got.

You...what? Dude!

*joins Giggles in his corner*
Though, pretty sure Ronan's unf-worthiness is what does it for me. 

Tigress:  His reaction to sparing Loghain is the same where he's hardened or unhardened.

Also, I really need to take nakie Alistair to the Landsmeet and betray him.

There is only one line that changes depending on his hardened or unhardened status.
Hardened: He says you told him to stand up, so here he is now standing make him king.
Unhardened: He says I dont want to be king, but to get justice on loghain he will be.

Also I like the early season Teal'C who actually had issues but in later seasons they almost reduce him to slapstick and comedic relief in some episodes. Or focus on Daniel Jackson angst. 

Besides if Ronan was in Dragon Age or Mass Effect that would be impossible for my female PCs to resist.

[LadyDamodred]

God, to be forced to choose between Alistair or Ronan.... *weeps* Though, I do like Ronan's hair from his backstory much better. That right there is icky for me.



Yankee: Omg, can you send me the full size pic so I can make it my desktop?

[rak72]

Yankee23 wrote...

Happy Thanksgiving Alistarians! Enjoy the feast!
*snip*

I would like a drumstick please!

[Giggles_Manically]

rak72 wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

Happy Thanksgiving Alistarians! Enjoy the feast!
*snip*

I would like a drumstick please!

[Persephone]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I hope that Gaider does throw it in people's faces just how broken Alistair does become.
Though I lack a lot of respect for any person who puts their feelings over the fate of a nation, and their duty they swore to uphold. But thats just me, I guess leaving a nation to be devoured because you lost a person you knew for six months entitles you to that.

While my Wardens, especially my Canon Warden, are very angered by Alistair leaving behind everything Duncan had held sacred.... It's not that simple. He may only have known Duncan for six months... But look how quickly and intensely he latches onto the Warden. Romance or no. Alistair is very love starved. He has never been loved, appreciated or even liked for being himself. He never knew his mother, his father abandoned him and Eamon first made him sleep with the hounds & then sent him off to the Chantry to appease his harpy of a wife. His whole behavior shows that he considers himself unworthy of such affection and he is always surprised when you treat him kindly/lovingly. Or when you remember something he told you. He takes everything personally, making him very self-centered, yet hardly selfish. His decision to leave if Loghain lives is the turning point where self-centered insecurity turns to selfish if emotionally understandable independence of mind. Yet even Anora, if engaged to him, tells you "His heart is in the right place." I agree with her.

[nos_astra]

Nice explanation, Persephone. I agree.

[Giggles_Manically]

I know that Alistair is emotionally broken (like well the rest of the companions), but I just cant agree with him leaving the whole nation to be attacked by the blight.



I would be fine if he left the wardens, because I can see from his POV that the Wardens would be tainted (pun?) by Loghain's presence.

But to leave the entire nation behind, I just cant agree with.

Sad that it comes to that, but since I also agree with freedom of choice, its his to make and I let him go.



What I do find very strange is that every companion in Dragon Age except Dog has so many issues that can break them.

[Persephone]

klarabella wrote...

Nice explanation, Persephone. I agree.

OMG, Klarabella, you do realize what that means? :lol::innocent: