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[Giggles_Manically]

While errant Alistair would not be in a fully rational state of mind right now:

-Riordian and the Warden (friend or lover) destroy what he thought was perfect

-Loghain gets to live, no justice for Duncan

-Arl Eamon dosent help him

-The Landsmeet dosent stop this.

-If hardened no one wants him to be king and he looks bad.



Added toghter he sees his surrogate father, his order, his friend/lover possibly, and his whole nation turn against him and his views. That could quite cripple most people's mind and leave them shocked for a while.

That would take a few days for him to be able to think coherently at the least. Also his self-worth is gone, his confidence destroyed, and his life in tatters.



He never would fully recover from that, so for a while his thoughts would be in such turmoil that he would not be able to plan.

He would go between anger, loss, pain, horror, and abandonment that by the time he comes out of it a good deal of time would have passed.

[So your Larry]

So I was driving to my parents this morning and I was like what would DA characters listen to and for Alistair I went with New Found Glory

[errant_knight]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

While errant Alistair would not be in a fully rational state of mind right now:
-Riordian and the Warden (friend or lover) destroy what he thought was perfect
-Loghain gets to live, no justice for Duncan
-Arl Eamon dosent help him
-The Landsmeet dosent stop this.
-If hardened no one wants him to be king and he looks bad.

Added toghter he sees his surrogate father, his order, his friend/lover possibly, and his whole nation turn against him and his views. That could quite cripple most people's mind and leave them shocked for a while.
That would take a few days for him to be able to think coherently at the least. Also his self-worth is gone, his confidence destroyed, and his life in tatters.

He never would fully recover from that, so for a while his thoughts would be in such turmoil that he would not be able to plan.
He would go between anger, loss, pain, horror, and abandonment that by the time he comes out of it a good deal of time would have passed.

I agree with you about all that, entirely. You may be right. It just seems to me that in all that time, he'd have at least a vague notion of what he might do when he got to his destination. Human beings naturally organize. It's actually quite difficult to get in a car and drive without creating some kind of plan as to where one will go and what one might do when they get there.

@So Your Larry: I never heard that band before. They're pretty good.

Modifié par errant_knight, 25 novembre 2010 - 06:52 .

[maxernst]

errant_knight wrote...

Thanks for the link, guys!
@Giggles. A month seems like a really long time, but I suppose it's possible. To me that makes it even less likely that Alistair came up with no plan at all in that time, and I see him as likely leaving immediately. He's writing everything off, and sticking around would just make it even more painful.

I also see him leaving as soon as possible and being long gone by the final battle.  I don't see it as likely that he joins up with the Wardens elsewhere, though; I think you've poisoned the Wardens for him.  He probably takes work as a mercenary to pay his bar bills. 

[Giggles_Manically]

Maybe his only plan was:
"Get out of Fereldan" which is why he headed for Starkhaven.

Its sad to see how easily Alistair gets broken here though. Although if the Warden goes US on any of the LI, except Morrigan they are all pretty broken.
I am not looking forward to what will happen but Riordian does make a point that she will listen to when he says "there are compelling reasons".

Thankfully he has my City Elf who wuvs him to pieces that he is still a warden with.

edit- The First part of this scene is what really makes me hold my hand though the most.

Modifié par Giggles_Manically, 25 novembre 2010 - 06:53 .

[errant_knight]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Maybe his only plan was:
"Get out of Fereldan" which is why he headed for Starkhaven.

Its sad to see how easily Alistair gets broken here though. Although if the Warden goes US on any of the LI, except Morrigan they are all pretty broken.
I am not looking forward to what will happen but Riordian does make a point that she will listen to when he says "there are compelling reasons".

Thankfully he has my City Elf who wuvs him to pieces that he is still a warden with.

I think 'easily' is the wrong word. It's a perfect storm of his worst nightmares.

maxernst wrote...
I also see him leaving as soon as possible and being long gone by the final battle.  I don't see it as likely that he joins up with the Wardens elsewhere, though; I think you've poisoned the Wardens for him.  He probably takes work as a mercenary to pay his bar bills. 

Yeah, I think that's true. The wardens are hopelessly tainted for him, but I'm not sure that necessarily means that he'd written of fighting the blight in another capacity, if it reaches him, and given his lack of trust in Loghain, I can see him thinking it inevitable. On the other hand, maybe while he feels betrayed, he still retains enough beief in the warden's abilities that he thinks he/she will succeed dispite Loghain's inevitable (in his eyes) betrayal, and that the blight will be stopped in Ferelden. I think he has to think something, though.

Modifié par errant_knight, 25 novembre 2010 - 06:59 .

[Giggles_Manically]

What I meant by easily is that it takes that one action "sparing Loghain" to ruin his life.

[TotoroTori]

Yankee23 wrote...

Happy Thanksgiving Alistarians! Enjoy the feast!

*bright red*

Okay need to go back to making food f-for Thanks-giving

and Happy Thanksgiving to everyone

*throws out all differant pilgrim, Indian and turkey hats for everyone*

[nos_astra]

errant_knight wrote...
@Giggles. A month seems like a really long time, but I suppose it's possible. To me that makes it even less likely that Alistair came up with no plan at all in that time, and I see him as likely leaving immediately. He's writing everything off, and sticking around would just make it even more painful.

A month is very likely, unless Ferelden is really small. Two weeks from Orzammar to the Circle (and back?) is probably one of the most realistic estimation of traveling time on foot.

I also see him leaving as soon as possible. He would have to wait for a ship, though. I assume many people would be packing and trying to leave the city by the time the Landsmeet is done and rumours about its outsome have spread. So it could be a week or two before he can board a ship.

[errant_knight]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

What I meant by easily is that it takes that one action "sparing Loghain" to ruin his life.

I's not really one action though. It's a....what's the word....something that creates a chain of events....mental blank. Anyway it's not the one action, it's all the things that the action causes, and that you summarized so well.

[errant_knight]

klarabella wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
@Giggles. A month seems like a really long time, but I suppose it's possible. To me that makes it even less likely that Alistair came up with no plan at all in that time, and I see him as likely leaving immediately. He's writing everything off, and sticking around would just make it even more painful.

A month is very likely, unless Ferelden is really small. Two weeks from Orzammar to the Circle (and back?) is probably one of the most realistic estimation of traveling time on foot.

I also see him leaving as soon as possible. He would have to wait for a ship, though. I assume many people would be packing and trying to leave the city by the time the Landsmeet is done and rumours about its outsome have spread. So it could be a week or two before he can board a ship.

Yes, that seems likely.

[Skyl4rk]

@errant: Snowball, domino or butterfly effect...or pebble in the pond?

Edit: just want to put it out there that I love lurking during these discussions.   *stealths back into the shadows*

Modifié par Skyl4rk, 25 novembre 2010 - 07:07 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Yes a domino effect works the best.



The Butterfly effect is a time travel example I thought though.

[Sarah1281]

Catalyst?

[Skyl4rk]

Really? I always thought it was more like a snowball. Small at the start then uncontrollable and disastrously big at the end. But you're right about the butterfly there.

[Giggles_Manically]

I bet Alistair wishes he had one of these though after everything happens though:

[errant_knight]

Catalyst was the word I was grasping for!

[errant_knight]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I bet Alistair wishes he had one of these though after everything happens though:
*snipped*

Doesn't everyone?

Modifié par errant_knight, 25 novembre 2010 - 07:17 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Well in chemistry:

(chemistry) a substance that initiates or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected.

This does not really fit since the Catalyst here can be:

The Warden

Loghain

The Landsmeet

etc...



They are all effected by this reaction here.



People do use it to say it served as a catalyst to start events or something like that.

[Giggles_Manically]

errant_knight wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I bet Alistair wishes he had one of these though after everything happens though:

Doesn't everyone?

I have watched those movies so many times.
I love ZZ Top and trying to catch all the little changes they hid through the films.

[LadyDamodred]

I think he was out of the capital as soon as possible. Teh game just says he boarded a ship, it doesn't say when. It could have taken a couple of weeks, but seeing as how Denerim is probably Ferelden's biggest port, it wouldn't have been hard for one man to find passage on any ship. I don't think he would have sold his arms/armor right then. Of course, assuming he has some access to money. Those probably got sold in the Free Marches when he needed drinking money.

[errant_knight]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I bet Alistair wishes he had one of these though after everything happens though:

Doesn't everyone?

I have watched those movies so many times.
I love ZZ Top and trying to catch all the little changes they hid through the films.

They really were great films.

[Sarah1281]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Well in chemistry:
(chemistry) a substance that initiates or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself being affected.
This does not really fit since the Catalyst here can be:
The Warden
Loghain
The Landsmeet
etc...

They are all effected by this reaction here.

People do use it to say it served as a catalyst to start events or something like that.

Yes, well I don't think the chemistry definition really fits here. The non-chemistry definition is "a person or thing acting as the stimulus in bringing about or hastening a result." You sparing Loghain is the stiumulus bringing about everything that follows.

[Giggles_Manically]

errant_knight wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I bet Alistair wishes he had one of these though after everything happens though:

Doesn't everyone?

I have watched those movies so many times.
I love ZZ Top and trying to catch all the little changes they hid through the films.

They really were great films.

Mostly because of Doc Brown:

[Lady Jess]

yukidama wrote...

Yeah, she has a really good Morrigan/Cousland comic, which says a lot since I am actually not keen on romancing Morrigan xD http://ximena07.deviantart.com/

I'm so hooked on that comic. It's the only one I follow 100%