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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

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Schratty wrote...

@ Skadi: I was just going off the wiki entry - it mentions something about the dwarves trying to recreate it from its remains. As for Golems of Amgarrak, I didn't really pay attention, haha ;P



Oh, they certainly try to recreate it. How could they not? It was the most important artifact in their history, their salvation from previous Blights. However, so far as the ending goes, they never succeed in fully recreating it and utilizing it's secrets, at least not in the near and forseeable future. It took someone with Branka's genuis, to understand the work of another genuis: Caradin. And Branka was indeed unique, the first paragon in ages. It might be generations before anyone else is capable.

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@ Giggles
My position is this. The threat of the Blight now surpasses any potential threat in the future. So let me worry about surviving the Blight now, then I can deal with potential problems later.

This is not short sighted imo, in some issues one cannot afford to have long term considerations when their survival is immediately threatened (or have long term considerations trump short term benefits). Though of course I understand that many people would not trust Branka to be useful even in the short term. So in that sense, I took a calculated risk (calculated imo at least).

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 01 décembre 2010 - 11:15 .


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Did any of the other blights get defeated with golems though?

The Dwarves held them off with them, but there is no account of Golems being used against a blight.



One sec I will look up the codexs on the wiki and see if they have a timeline.



Though the four steel golems you get are awesome, since I used them through the entire end game and only ever lost ONE.

#20354
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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Did any of the other blights get defeated with golems though?
The Dwarves held them off with them, but there is no account of Golems being used against a blight.


The other Blights generally required alliances of nations to defeat them.

Since Ferelden is weak and barely has any allies, any help we can get is invaluable.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 01 décembre 2010 - 11:21 .


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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Did any of the other blights get defeated with golems though?
The Dwarves held them off with them, but there is no account of Golems being used against a blight.


The other Blights generally required alliances of nations to defeat them.



I would pay Gaider some good money to flesh out those parts of the History of Theads.
Sounds like most blights were won through battles of attrition. 

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...



 Though of course I understand that many people would not trust Branka to be useful even in the short term. So in that sense, I took a calculated risk (calculated imo at least).



That is the main reason my canon did not side with Branka, amongst others. Branka's mental state, and what she did to her house, were not really encouraging signs of forming a stable alliance. In otherwords, wondering if the minute caradin was dead, Branka would then turn the golems on the survivors. or simply start making golems not for use in the Blight, but to conquor Orzammar, or something else.

The woman is completely bat**** obsessive/insane/cold blooded. One really does have to make some very carefully calcated risks and chances around anyone that stable.

Hespith's creepy chants and musings on your way to broodmother-land are a bit spine chilling: There was nothing left of her (Branka) except the anvil. And when you finally see Branka, you see it in the flesh.

There's risks and then there's risks. In most playthroughs, the value of the golems with Branka holding the monopoly on their manufacture does not outweigh the potential risks and costs, both short and long term.

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If I had the choice to kill both that fool Caridin and Branka, I would have without hesitation and given the anvil to the Legion if they knew how to operate it.

Now I trusted that Branka would provide golems to fight the Blight because it does seem that her main priority is the darkspawn threat, and if the Blight isn't defeated, her race would become very vulnerable to extinction. I personally did not get the impression that she wants power, in the sense of making her want to conquer Orzammar. She really doesn't give a damn about that and we see in the epilogue, she doesn't even try to overthrow the weakling fool Harrowmont.

But it's not clear, and I took a risk. Just like those who destroy the anvil also take a risk, in thinking that the golems might not be necessary. It ends up depending on preference and perspective to think which outweighs which.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Did any of the other blights get defeated with golems though?
The Dwarves held them off with them, but there is no account of Golems being used against a blight.

 

*looks around*  Maybe I missed the context, but you mean besides the first Blight, where it's said that it was only defeated because of the golems?

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Addai67 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Did any of the other blights get defeated with golems though?
The Dwarves held them off with them, but there is no account of Golems being used against a blight.

 

*looks around*  Maybe I missed the context, but you mean besides the first Blight, where it's said that it was only defeated because of the golems?


How do I not know any of this stuff? Is it because I never read any of the codex? ...Or...well, anything for that matter... :blush:

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

If I had the choice to kill both that fool Caridin and Branka, I would have without hesitation and given the anvil to the Legion if they knew how to operate it.

Now I trusted that Branka would provide golems to fight the Blight because it does seem that her main priority is the darkspawn threat, and if the Blight isn't defeated, her race would become very vulnerable to extinction. I personally did not get the impression that she wants power, in the sense of making her want to conquer Orzammar. She really doesn't give a damn about that and we see in the epilogue, she doesn't even try to overthrow the weakling fool Harrowmont.

But it's not clear, and I took a risk. Just like those who destroy the anvil also take a risk, in thinking that the golems might not be necessary. It ends up depending on preference and perspective to think which outweighs which.



Yeah, it's one of those descisions that logically could be decided evenly either way. MY DC, Julia, as you know, took that risk to keep the anvil, having to make an unusual leap of faith that Branka would remain true to her word, and that Bhelen would be too busy goleming his political enemies to pick on the casteless. That risk, in that case, was overshadowed by the need to save one's people from extinction.

I found the descision to keep the anvil far easier with dwarven characters, since they are the ones on the brink, hanging on desperately against tide after tide of darkspawn. Where as my surfacer characters, not really having ever dealt with or felt the urgency that the darkspawn present, were less willing to make such calculated risks and leaps of faith, and thus, destroyed it, though my blood mage kept it (because she was Branka's #1 fan).

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Yeah I can't take the risk with the golems. Branka's just too damn crazy for me.

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Gilsa wrote...

Yankee23 wrote...

Nathaniel grew on me eventually, but at first he got a bit on my nerves talking so much about his family and their issues. I have only played with a hnf...at first it was very much "I know you have family baggage, but I really don't want to hear it since your family slaughtered mine" She got over it, though.

Did he have dialogue specific to a Cousland? I only played dwarves in Awakening so I didn't know if he had extra dialogue or if I was just less sensitive to his conversations because I didn't have the Howe baggage attached to my characters.


I've only played with hn's so I can't say for certain, but iirc there is specific Cousland dialogue when you first meet him but I don't think the "family" related dialouge he has throughout the game is different for a Cousland as opposed to other wardens. I was fresh off my first hnf when I played awakenings the first time so I was definitely sensitive to my warden's Howe issues.

Modifié par Yankee23, 02 décembre 2010 - 12:01 .


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Schratty wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Did any of the other blights get defeated with golems though?
The Dwarves held them off with them, but there is no account of Golems being used against a blight.

 

*looks around*  Maybe I missed the context, but you mean besides the first Blight, where it's said that it was only defeated because of the golems?


How do I not know any of this stuff? Is it because I never read any of the codex? ...Or...well, anything for that matter... :blush:

LOL Because I have no life?

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There are some Cousland specific dialogue bits with Nate, mainly the initial meeting. When you get a higher approval, he does apologize about what his father did to the Couslands.

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*frowns*



I've gotten too used to all these prompts. My brain wants another one. :(

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How about...err..." Cheese" ? *whistles*

Because you know cheese steeled that body :P

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lol Lady D. All I know is that my "Perfect World" version of Alistair and Marlana are poking at me to write up their story. That's in addition to my "canon" version saying I'm not done. And the mage AU I had in mind.

Amongst other little snippets.


Edit: Merilsell, I do believe I lost my train of thought with that picture...

Modifié par Reika, 02 décembre 2010 - 12:40 .


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lol, I don't know if I can do a cheese prompt. All that comes to my mind is that one chapter in SO that deals with cheese. XD

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I will be posting part two to the lyrium prompt in under one hour.

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Wooo!

Edit:  I know I haven't said this enough, but I really do enjoy reading everyone's fills.  It's lovely to see all the different styles and takes on things.

Modifié par LadyDamodred, 02 décembre 2010 - 12:44 .


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Yup, tell me about it. The tale of Lenya is getting longer and longer. I suppose I'll have 300k words in the end.

Not to mention that I still have to write...what? 3 Prompts? *flails* Guess I pass on the Lyrium one. Sorry. >__< Will deliver smut as soon the virtue returns to write it and a non-idiotic plot/reason for it as well.

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rak72 wrote...

@ RC - what hair does your Teagan have? It's not the Duncan, is it?


Nope, the regular vanilla ponytail style. And it's his vanilla morph just with less gauntness to his cheeks. Posted Image

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I'll be discovering the differences in Nate's convo's between Cousland's and non HN soon. I just finished an elven playthrough and began Aubrianna's Awakening. I'm looking forward to seeing what's different.

And, getting back to Alistair, I love hearing him call my Warden a minx and a temptress. SV's voice STILL makes me melt.

Speaking of Ali...here's another adorable shot of him.

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Does Alistair have any dialouge for a mistress warden, I know he has some for a Queen warden.



I just cant make any of my wardens into a mistress though.

Too many negative connotations to that word for me.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Does Alistair have any dialouge for a mistress warden, I know he has some for a Queen warden.

I just cant make any of my wardens into a mistress though.
Too many negative connotations to that word for me.



yes he does, both at the end of Origins and beginning of Awakening.