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[Gibb_Garrus]

 I just finished a playthrough of me 1 and i completely forgot to change ash's views on aliens. It never came up in conversation so i must have picked the wrong dialogue. I romanced her, but i wanted to paragon her. Does persuading ash to take a different view on aliens carry over to me 2? Or is it just scrapped like changing garrus's viewpoint?

Modifié par Gibb_Garrus, 11 août 2010 - 10:06 .

[The Grey Ranger]

After looking through the ME 2 variables with Gibbed save editor it appears to be ignored.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Nope, Paragoning Ashley doesn't seem to have an effect as an importation. Paragoning Garrus does, however.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 11 août 2010 - 01:19 .

[amcnow]

ShadowJ20 wrote...

Ashley isn't racist. She's prejudice. I did romance with Ashley in ME1 and did change her views but her dialogue in ME2 at Horizon doesn't change. So don't waste your time. She's still prejudice.  Bottom line is that nearly every squad mate is renegade in some way.

^^THIS.

Ashley doesn't have a superiority complex.  She simply mistrusts alien races because of her lack of experience and understanding.  That's a clear sign of prejudice.

The Illusive Man, on the other hand, clearly thinks of the aliens as lesser species.  He would be racist.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Yes, true what Shadow said.

[Forst1999]

Yeah, it doesn't change. On Horizon she still says she is "no fan of aliens". Which i wouldn't classify as racist. But on the other hand you couldn't expect Shepard's little speech about the usefulness of allies to make Ash interested in alien cultures and willing to share military secrets. (By the way: in the german version she says she dislikes aliens. Damn translators made Ash racist! I was a little relieved when i heard the original dub )

[Symji]

I would agree with you that Ash seems to be prejudice except for one thing she says. "If you get attacked by a bear and the only way to escape is to sick your dog on it and run, that's what you do. No matter how much you love your dog, it's not human." She uses this to describe how she feels about aliens, which clearly indicates that she does place humans above other species, and is therefore a racist.

[SilverRose208]

Symji wrote...

I would agree with you that Ash seems to be prejudice except for one thing she says. "If you get attacked by a bear and the only way to escape is to sick your dog on it and run, that's what you do. No matter how much you love your dog, it's not human." She uses this to describe how she feels about aliens, which clearly indicates that she does place humans above other species, and is therefore a racist.

She's actually saying that aliens will sacrifice humans in favor of protecting their own - not the other way around. 

Edit:  Also... This video pretty much sums up her viewpoints and addresses the whole "racist" thing -

Modifié par SilverRose208, 11 août 2010 - 03:44 .

[Spartas Husky]

SilverRose208 wrote...

Symji wrote...

I would agree with you that Ash seems to be prejudice except for one thing she says. "If you get attacked by a bear and the only way to escape is to sick your dog on it and run, that's what you do. No matter how much you love your dog, it's not human." She uses this to describe how she feels about aliens, which clearly indicates that she does place humans above other species, and is therefore a racist.

She's actually saying that aliens will sacrifice humans in favor of protecting their own - not the other way around. 

She is stating her point of view, all she is saying is she does not feel the utter need to defend anyone who ins't human.

She is not saying the dog is lower or better than her, is just it isn't like her.

You description of "racism" could be compared to "patriotism"....patriotism puts home country before others.... are they racists because they rather save themselves or a fellow countrymen than someone different?

[Forst1999]

Many people get the dog-dialogue wrong. Like SilverRose said, she thinks this is how she thinks the Council would threat humanity, not how the humans should threat aliens.

[Yana Montana]

Spartas Husky wrote...

She is stating her point of view, all she is saying is she does not feel the utter need to defend anyone who ins't human.

She is not saying the dog is lower or better than her, is just it isn't like her.

I agree. Taking into consideration the fact that several of Williams generations served the Alliance, she strikes me more of a patriotic person with prejudices than a racist.

[Lord Zeuss]

Charlie on Your Six wrote...

SilverRose208 wrote...

Symji wrote...

I would agree with you that Ash seems to be prejudice except for one thing she says. "If you get attacked by a bear and the only way to escape is to sick your dog on it and run, that's what you do. No matter how much you love your dog, it's not human." She uses this to describe how she feels about aliens, which clearly indicates that she does place humans above other species, and is therefore a racist.

She's actually saying that aliens will sacrifice humans in favor of protecting their own - not the other way around. 

Exactly.

In her analogy the "dog" is humanity, and the "human" represents alien species. Which is further elaborated later when she claims that "the council is treating Saren like it's our problem, they're already siccing us on the bear."

 

It's the law of the jungle; everyone looks out for number one. Ashley sees it probably a lot clearer than some players do. Recognizing the state of reality does not make one racist. Turians are more important than humans to turians, asari are more important than humans to asari, it's just a fact.

Ashley isn't racist. She's another word that starts with R and ends with -ist: Realist.

[Wintermist]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

It's the law of the jungle; everyone looks out for number one. Ashley sees it probably a lot clearer than some players do. Recognizing the state of reality does not make one racist. Turians are more important than humans to turians, asari are more important than humans to asari, it's just a fact.

Ashley isn't racist. She's another word that starts with R and ends with -ist: Realist.

Ralism and racism is not the same thing. By your saying everyone's a racist.

[PWENEFIED]

She's racist... so I killed her.

[PWENEFIED]

Wintermist wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

It's the law of the jungle; everyone looks out for number one. Ashley sees it probably a lot clearer than some players do. Recognizing the state of reality does not make one racist. Turians are more important than humans to turians, asari are more important than humans to asari, it's just a fact.

Ashley isn't racist. She's another word that starts with R and ends with -ist: Realist.

Ralism and racism is not the same thing. By your saying everyone's a racist.

And with that speech, Hitler climbed to power.

[Wintermist]

PWENEFIED wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

It's the law of the jungle; everyone looks out for number one. Ashley sees it probably a lot clearer than some players do. Recognizing the state of reality does not make one racist. Turians are more important than humans to turians, asari are more important than humans to asari, it's just a fact.

Ashley isn't racist. She's another word that starts with R and ends with -ist: Realist.

Ralism and racism is not the same thing. By your saying everyone's a racist.

And with that speech, Hitler climbed to power.

Must be a record for Godwin's Law.

[PWENEFIED]

Wintermist wrote...

PWENEFIED wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

It's the law of the jungle; everyone looks out for number one. Ashley sees it probably a lot clearer than some players do. Recognizing the state of reality does not make one racist. Turians are more important than humans to turians, asari are more important than humans to asari, it's just a fact.

Ashley isn't racist. She's another word that starts with R and ends with -ist: Realist.

Ralism and racism is not the same thing. By your saying everyone's a racist.

And with that speech, Hitler climbed to power.

Must be a record for Godwin's Law.

SH*T, that's the funniest school lesson EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PWENEFIED]

Charlie on Your Six wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

It's the law of the jungle; everyone looks out for number one. Ashley sees it probably a lot clearer than some players do. Recognizing the state of reality does not make one racist. Turians are more important than humans to turians, asari are more important than humans to asari, it's just a fact.

Ashley isn't racist. She's another word that starts with R and ends with -ist: Realist.

Ralism and racism is not the same thing. By your saying everyone's a racist.

Not exactly.

By his saying, a somewhat prejudice, paranoid, and isolationist's outlook. Is a lamentable realistic impression given the current state of turmoil the galaxy is in.  

Ergo: It's not racism, but a concept derived from having a firm grasp on reality.

Racism 1: A belief that one race is predominanty superior than any other.

Realisim 1: A concern for fact or reality and rejction of the impractical.

Which one of these best describes Ash's views?

I'd choose one, but I don't know what either of them mean...

[PWENEFIED]

Then I go with racism. Ash is definetly racist towards "Vakarian & Wrex". What a b*tch. I don't regret frying her ass in Virmire. Kaiden is a way better person, he understands the galaxy better than anyone. His the one who deserves to live.

Modifié par PWENEFIED, 11 août 2010 - 06:18 .

[PWENEFIED]

Charlie on Your Six wrote...

PWENEFIED wrote...

Then I go with racism. Ash is definetly racist towards "Vakarian & Wrex". What a b*tch. I don't regret frying her ass in Virmire. Kaiden is a way better person, he understands the galaxy better than anyone. His the one who deserves to live.

Her attitude toward Garrus and Wrex is bred out of a sense of "national security", not racism. The Normandy is a prototype Alliance vessel. And yes I know it was co-developed with Turians, but that doesn't change the fact that it's an  Alliance vessel.

Giving a Krogan mercenary, and a trigger-happy ex-cop Turian free rein to examine the Normandy; in her mind is a big security risk. Something akin to allowing  foriegn powers, to poke around a classified American prototype jet.
 
Her beliefs are based on a foundation of paranoid realism, not racism. 

It is bred on racism. She blames the aliens in general for her grandfather's downfall. She is racist and uses the excuse of "security risk" to force Shepard into booting them out. She deslikes anything that doesn't have hair on it's head.