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[andar91]

tmp7704 wrote...

FedericoV wrote...

Do you really believe that with a short development cycle like DA2's one, they'll have the time to develop two completely different gameplay system for the two platform? Knowing that isometric view won't be in the pc version too? Do you understand that a different gameplay would ask them to rework each and every battle in the game? That it would costs BW a lot of money with little reward considering DA:O's sales on PC? 

Well, considering they wouldn't need to "develop two completely different systems" but rather leave the PC version the way it is and focus on changing the console version, it may be less difficult to pull off than you make it sound.

Also, i don't exactly get the hate towards this development. So console users press a button to have their character execute attack. Considering the DAO also has the player press button(s) to execute the special attacks and they do it frequently (unless you just like to leave everything up to the tactics) ... there doesn't seem to be much of practical difference, there.

To be fair, there is a physical one.  It's a lot easier to rapidly tap X with your thumb than left or right click with your forefinger, at least for me.  But as I said before (addressing your first point) I think it's more of an issue of control, not gameplay mechanics.

[rexil]

FedericoV wrote...

andar91 wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Wolverfrog wrote...

"The decision to allow melee attacks to be activated by continually striking X is an inspired decision too, in spite of how derivative some may claim it is... the power to be responsible for each and every blow is much more satisfying."

Oh joy of joys! Button mashing is confirmed! yessssssssssssss!

But only for the basic melee attack and we don't know if this feature is on the pc version since this was an X-box 360 magazine.  Somehow, I doubt they'd do the same thing on pc.  I know, you'll believe it when you see it.

 That it would costs BW a lot of money with little reward considering DA:O's sales on PC? 
 

I guess you don't know they NEVER reveal the DD sales. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the PC sales where close or above 1m.  I mean, The Witcher sold 1m copies, why DA:O wouldn't do the same or surpass it? Maybe we will never know the real PC sales. 

[FedericoV]

joriandrake wrote...

FedericoV wrote...

Wolverfrog wrote...

But those gamers are vastly outnumbered by those who prefer more modern methods of RPG combat. And if you can't adapt, then I guess you'll just have to accept that you're not part of the target demographic this time around.

Button mashing is an older style than tactical gameplay and allways been more popular (except in tthe RTS golden years). It could be better or worse given different context but please, don't call it "modern methods of RPG combat" beacuse that's serious bull****.

it would be worse, it would mean the game relies moreo n player reflexes and skills opposed to character skills, also it would mean we have to click around instead of laying back and enjoy the battle of the characters from afar now and then

I do agree with you: I'm not saying that the game will be better. I'm saying that it will be an action RPG and not a tactical RPG. And it's difficult to compare apples with oranges. So the game could still be good if you like action RPGs even if it will be a completely different game from DA:O.  

[-Semper-]

with all this x button smashing... think about the harvester. does this mean now enemies will die alot faster? this reduces the game time to 5h

[Rubbish Hero]

The Witcher sold 1.5 million.

[rexil]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

The Witcher sold 1.5 million.

Yeah, I know. That was just an example.

[filetemo]

-Semper- wrote...

with all this x button smashing... think about the harvester. does this mean now enemies will die alot faster? this reduces the game time to 5h

don't 3rd party gamepads still have turbo mode these days like those old megadrive pads? switch to auto mode and watch the harvester die in 30 seconds

[tmp7704]

andar91 wrote...

To be fair, there is a physical one.  It's a lot easier to rapidly tap X with your thumb than left or right click with your forefinger, at least for me.

I'd say the number of shooters available on PC (which involve clicking these buttons a lot) shows it's not really hard for people to use the mouse in such manner. Not to mention it could be argued the console version already had this advantage in DAO -- player's skills were also assigned to controller buttons in it, weren't they? While the PC version had the numeric keys and/or clicking on the UI gadgets for that.

[Rubbish Hero]

rexil wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

The Witcher sold 1.5 million.

Yeah, I know. That was just an example.

The Witcher 2 will probably outsell Dragon Age 2's pc sales.
For it's flaws, the company sure seem to love the pc platform than simply chasing maxmised profits, deserve respect them Polish people. Heroes.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 12 août 2010 - 12:04 .

[rexil]

filetemo wrote...

-Semper- wrote...

with all this x button smashing... think about the harvester. does this mean now enemies will die alot faster? this reduces the game time to 5h

don't 3rd party gamepads still have turbo mode these days like those old megadrive pads? switch to auto mode and watch the harvester die in 30 seconds

Just use something to hold the button, go take a shower, when you get back you will have beaten the game.
/ridicule

[andar91]

tmp7704 wrote...

andar91 wrote...

To be fair, there is a physical one.  It's a lot easier to rapidly tap X with your thumb than left or right click with your forefinger, at least for me.

I'd say the number of shooters available on PC (which involve clicking these buttons a lot) shows it's not really hard for people to use the mouse in such manner. Not to mention it could be argued the console version already had this advantage in DAO -- player's skills were also assigned to controller buttons in it, weren't they? While the PC version had the numeric keys and/or clicking on the UI gadgets for that.

The skills were assigned to controller buttons, but they had cooldowns and everything.  It wasn't like XXX equaled attack, attack, attack.  But we know that the abilities are the same in DA2 (in regards to cooldowns and that they're seperate, activated attacks) based on what we know so far (on the consoles).

[filetemo]

rexil wrote...

filetemo wrote...

-Semper- wrote...

with all this x button smashing... think about the harvester. does this mean now enemies will die alot faster? this reduces the game time to 5h

don't 3rd party gamepads still have turbo mode these days like those old megadrive pads? switch to auto mode and watch the harvester die in 30 seconds

Just use something to hold the button, go take a shower, when you get back you will have beaten the game.
/ridicule

we could have sex scenes where pressing X means thrusting your hips faster. Put turbo mode, ****** sooner and your LI disapproves -20

Modifié par filetemo, 12 août 2010 - 12:04 .

[joriandrake]

rexil wrote...

filetemo wrote...

-Semper- wrote...

with all this x button smashing... think about the harvester. does this mean now enemies will die alot faster? this reduces the game time to 5h

don't 3rd party gamepads still have turbo mode these days like those old megadrive pads? switch to auto mode and watch the harvester die in 30 seconds

Just use something to hold the button, go take a shower, when you get back you will have beaten the game.
/ridicule

Hah! Good one!

[Saibh]

Hmm...the Warden thing...

I'm sorry, nothing on this Earth (well, because concrete proof) is going to make me believe that they'd go so far as to show us the Warden, give him/her a voice, and a personality.

Also, I can accept most "default" choices, but I really don't want to see what their default idea of the Warden is supposed to look like. I honestly would like the option to define the Warden's gender and species in the beginning of every game.

Bethany: Hey, bro, did you see the Grey Warden (or heavily armed new guy) coming into town?
Hawke: I saw a girl/guy with a bunch of misfits.
Bethany: That's her. What did she look like?
Hawke: I dunno. What elves normally look like.

Only how Fereldans say it.

Modifié par Saibh, 12 août 2010 - 12:05 .

[-Semper-]

thinking about a hot coffee mod...
btw i guess holding the button does nothing. hawk will die without the tactical input of those cleverness.

Modifié par -Semper-, 12 août 2010 - 12:06 .

[andar91]

filetemo wrote...

rexil wrote...

filetemo wrote...

-Semper- wrote...

with all this x button smashing... think about the harvester. does this mean now enemies will die alot faster? this reduces the game time to 5h

don't 3rd party gamepads still have turbo mode these days like those old megadrive pads? switch to auto mode and watch the harvester die in 30 seconds

Just use something to hold the button, go take a shower, when you get back you will have beaten the game.
/ridicule

we could have sex scenes where pressing X means thrusting your hips faster. Put turbo mode, ****** faster and your LI disapproves -20

O.O I can't believe you just said that.

[rexil]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

rexil wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

The Witcher sold 1.5 million.

Yeah, I know. That was just an example.

The Witcher 2 will probably outsell Dragon Age 2's pc sales.
For it's flaws, the company sure seem to love the pc platform than simply chasing maxmised profits, deserve respect them Polish people.

They even stated it on a video they released.
But lets not transform this in a Witcher->DA discussion.

[joriandrake]

filetemo wrote...

rexil wrote...

filetemo wrote...

-Semper- wrote...

with all this x button smashing... think about the harvester. does this mean now enemies will die alot faster? this reduces the game time to 5h

don't 3rd party gamepads still have turbo mode these days like those old megadrive pads? switch to auto mode and watch the harvester die in 30 seconds

Just use something to hold the button, go take a shower, when you get back you will have beaten the game.
/ridicule

we could have sex scenes where pressing X means thrusting your hips faster. Put turbo mode, ****** sooner and your LI disapproves -20

sex minigame <_<

[SDNcN]

So because they revealed that basic melee attacks would be bound to the X button on Xbox versions, combat will amount to spamming the X button, even though X is just a basic melee attack? Fantastic use of logic.

[Rhipz]

-Semper- wrote...

with all this x button smashing... think about the harvester. does this mean now enemies will die alot faster? this reduces the game time to 5h

You make me sad =[

[-Semper-]

right now i feel very sad for all the crippled thumbs da2 will produce around the globe

[andar91]

SDNcN wrote...

So because they revealed that basic melee attacks would be bound to the X button on Xbox versions, combat will amount to spamming the X button, even though X is just a basic melee attack? Fantastic use of logic.

Well, I don't think we know for sure that it's only on the consoles, but I agree with your other point.  And I SUSPECT it's only on the consoles.

[Rhipz]

Saibh wrote...

Hmm...the Warden thing...

I'm sorry, nothing on this Earth (well, because concrete proof) is going to make me believe that they'd go so far as to show us the Warden, give him/her a voice, and a personality.

Also, I can accept most "default" choices, but I really don't want to see what their default idea of the Warden is supposed to look like. I honestly would like the option to define the Warden's gender and species in the beginning of every game.

Bethany: Hey, bro, did you see the Grey Warden (or heavily armed new guy) coming into town?
Hawke: I saw a girl/guy with a bunch of misfits.
Bethany: That's her. What did she look like?
Hawke: I dunno. What elves normally look like.

Only how Fereldans say it.

I'm pretty sure they've said our choices from our previous games shall be included - this means we shall be importing some sort of file.
Hopefully it incorporates the faces of our wardens and renders it to the new engine style... Somehow

[filetemo]

-Semper- wrote...

right now i feel very sad for all the crippled thumbs da2 will produce around the globe

I would cripple a lot of in-game vaginas with a sex minigame and a turbo mode controller.

[Saibh]

Rhipz wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Hmm...the Warden thing...

I'm sorry, nothing on this Earth (well, because concrete proof) is going to make me believe that they'd go so far as to show us the Warden, give him/her a voice, and a personality.

Also, I can accept most "default" choices, but I really don't want to see what their default idea of the Warden is supposed to look like. I honestly would like the option to define the Warden's gender and species in the beginning of every game.

Bethany: Hey, bro, did you see the Grey Warden (or heavily armed new guy) coming into town?
Hawke: I saw a girl/guy with a bunch of misfits.
Bethany: That's her. What did she look like?
Hawke: I dunno. What elves normally look like.

Only how Fereldans say it.

I'm pretty sure they've said our choices from our previous games shall be included - this means we shall be importing some sort of file.
Hopefully it incorporates the faces of our wardens and renders it to the new engine style... Somehow

Oops! I should have specified, I mean for any default game. I mean, the choices are already there, right? A better-written conversation like that just sets the plot flags.