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[Limorkil]

JeCy108 wrote...
outside of stone prisoner, which i think was probably taken out,  the other DLC's were made after the game was released,  all cost about 5 bucks each, 400 points=5 bucks,   and take a couple hours to play.   Costs 5 bucks to rent a movie. id probably spend 40 bucks going to the bar to have a couple beers and watching monday night football..  (the amount of time it took me to play Lil's DLC)    5 bucks for a few hours of gaming is a steal when you compare it to other things you spend money on

That is the standard response to complaints about DLC.  Evil EA marketing guys rub their hands together like Hollywood villains and say "they fell for our line - the fools <insane laughter>"  It is not untrue to say that you can easily blow far more money in far less time but if you were to follow that argument through to its logical conclusion we would not play DA:O at all because there are cheaper things to do with the time.  I do not understand why people support a move to charge people more for less.  I cannot produce electricity cheaper than the utility company; I cannot supply my own television cheaper than the cable company; I cannot supply services to my community cheaper than the idiots running the town - but none of this means I have to APPLAUD or SUPPORT paying more money for less.  Putting myself on the side of EA, National Grid, Time Warner, politicians does not give me a warm and fuzzy.  The Gods of Marketing ™ may like to win me over to their side so that I will happily buy their lower quality higher price stuff, but it is not happening.  And to really scupper that argument I tell you that I would prefer to pay $100 for DA:O right off the shelf than have to be nickel and dimed for every companion and suit of armor.  It is the "marketing-ness" of it that I dislike, not the price tag.

In a way I am sorry I mentioned the DLC because that always triggers the brainwashed response, rather like the Manchurian Candidate.  I am with the OP in that I would rather see what people think of the actual game instelf.

[Eurypterid]

As noted, the only DLC that was 'taken out' of the main game was the Stone Prisoner. And it's free with every new copy of the game itself.



And why is it that those that like the DLC model and are willing to pay the price asked are invariably tagged as 'brainwashed'. There's no question that DLC is much more expensive than the base game itself when looked at solely from a cost/time spent playing perspective. But is that truly the only metric for measuring its value? It's easy enough to dismiss any DLC if it doesn't appeal to you. Just don't buy it. I've bought some and passed on some. Of what I've bought, I've felt it was worth the purchase price.



And if your complaint isn't with the price, as you noted, what is it about the marketing that makes it so unpalatable?

[wowpwnslol]

People complaining about "lack of freedom" are playing the wrong game. If you want a game that doesn't go anywhere, go play Failout or some other Bethesda "RPG" with copy pasted environment and boring gameplay.

[Zusia]

Why do people choose to play games where you hit things with swords and axes or burn them, blow them up, and crush them with spells yet object to blood and gore?

[Kolikeos]

JeCy108 wrote...
outside of stone prisoner, which i think was probably taken out,  the other DLC's were made after the game was released,  all cost about 5 bucks each, 400 points=5 bucks,   and take a couple hours to play.   Costs 5 bucks to rent a movie. id probably spend 40 bucks going to the bar to have a couple beers and watching monday night football..  (the amount of time it took me to play Lil's DLC)    5 bucks for a few hours of gaming is a steal when you compare it to other things you spend money on

When you put it this way it does indeed sound much more reasonable. But it's not the DLCs themselves I object to.

what is it about the marketing that makes it so unpalatable?

It's the mid game advertising. I'd talk to a NPC and if I wanted to continue the conversation I'd need to download something.
This comic illustrates it perfectly http://cache.gawker..../11/01penny.jpg

[Kolikeos]

Zusia wrote...

Why do people choose to play games where you hit things with swords and axes or burn them, blow them up, and crush them with spells yet object to blood and gore?

I object to it being exaggerated. Violence is welcome, just don't go overboard.

[Tadpradel]

Honestly, the only thing I really "disliked" was how shutoff you were after the final battle. Stuck in camp indefinitely unless you get the DLC's or The Awakening. I love the main storyline, but it would have been nice to travel still, play with other weapons, finish side-quests that are less relevant.

Kolikeos wrote...

Zusia wrote...

Why do people choose to play games where you hit things with swords and axes or burn them, blow them up, and crush them with spells yet object to blood and gore?

I object to it being exaggerated. Violence is welcome, just don't go overboard.

If you think this game is overboard on violence, try Monster Hunter Freedom. One slash of a sword is like a fountain of blood. I agree that sometimes the blood splatter is awkward (an archer or a mage being smothered in blood, when they never even got near combat), but this game is rather tame in process of violence.

Modifié par Tadpradel, 17 août 2010 - 08:50 .

[JeCy108]

Limorkil wrote...

JeCy108 wrote...
outside of stone prisoner, which i think was probably taken out,  the other DLC's were made after the game was released,  all cost about 5 bucks each, 400 points=5 bucks,   and take a couple hours to play.   Costs 5 bucks to rent a movie. id probably spend 40 bucks going to the bar to have a couple beers and watching monday night football..  (the amount of time it took me to play Lil's DLC)    5 bucks for a few hours of gaming is a steal when you compare it to other things you spend money on

That is the standard response to complaints about DLC.  Evil EA marketing guys rub their hands together like Hollywood villains and say "they fell for our line - the fools "  It is not untrue to say that you can easily blow far more money in far less time but if you were to follow that argument through to its logical conclusion we would not play DA:O at all because there are cheaper things to do with the time.  I do not understand why people support a move to charge people more for less.  I cannot produce electricity cheaper than the utility company; I cannot supply my own television cheaper than the cable company; I cannot supply services to my community cheaper than the idiots running the town - but none of this means I have to APPLAUD or SUPPORT paying more money for less.  Putting myself on the side of EA, National Grid, Time Warner, politicians does not give me a warm and fuzzy.  The Gods of Marketing ™ may like to win me over to their side so that I will happily buy their lower quality higher price stuff, but it is not happening.  And to really scupper that argument I tell you that I would prefer to pay $100 for DA:O right off the shelf than have to be nickel and dimed for every companion and suit of armor.  It is the "marketing-ness" of it that I dislike, not the price tag.

In a way I am sorry I mentioned the DLC because that always triggers the brainwashed response, rather like the Manchurian Candidate.  I am with the OP in that I would rather see what people think of the actual game instelf.

honestly your whole argument against makes zero sence..   you would rather pay 100 dollars and have everything included,   Yet it only would cost  you 75 to buy everything..   and seeing much of it is stand alone, Its not even part of the game. its not like they released the game and then said..   Ohh btw, you have to purchase the ending, thats not included.  all this stuff is extra

Im sorry, but noone is brainwashing me..   Im buying content i want to play, that is outside of the orginal campain.  No one put a gun to my head and said you must buy this.. Just like noone forced you to buy awakenings. (if you did)

I gladly spend my money SUPPORTING bioware, and its RPG's in hopes that they continue to make more..  Ive bought their games  going on 12 years now.  I will continue to in the future as long as they are making high quality RPG's

fact is making games cost money..  If companies like bioware, or other compianies like take turbine for example in DDO, and now crytpic,  they are using micro transactions and DLC content to increase revenue, to produce more content than they could by higher more workers and covering increased production costs. By all means im for that.  I watched DDO get 6 updates in the last year cause people are buying content.  Just like ive seen bioware produce a bunch of DLC's and i have hopes they release many more over the next few years,..  if that means i spend 100 or even 200 dollars on DLC content,  If its a couple 100 hours of gaming over all, well then by all means,  Brainwash me with their evil ways of getting me to spend money to buy games which i enjoy playing.

If EA and bioware are so evil by doing this,,  why did you support them in the first place by buying DAO.  I know when a company does things i dont like,  Namely DRM's that are very restrictive, I dont buy the product..  *cough SPore,  no mater how good the game is. I dont like the companies practice, I dont purchase, its that simple.


I hope Bioware continues to make DLC's,  expands orgins of the NPC's they created, explore the history and lore of the world in new ways.  Perhaps a quanri expansion.. Id love to buy a DLC with morgians continued story, or perhaps a nice new adventure with ogren and shale.

If they do i will buy them, and enjoy my time playing..  For me gaming is an incredibly cheap hobby over all and for my dime its the cheapest thing i do for entertainment outside of watching grass grow and watching raindrops streak down my windows on occasion.  while it does entertain me from time to time, its hardly something im gonna wanna 365 days a year..

Modifié par JeCy108, 18 août 2010 - 04:31 .

[JeCy108]

Zusia wrote...

Why do people choose to play games where you hit things with swords and axes or burn them, blow them up, and crush them with spells yet object to blood and gore?

some people dont like blood and guts..  I personaly have no desire to see it, Its not entertianing to me in the least..   seeing someone get their head hacked off as i defeat an ememy in no way increases my enjoyment.. Infact it just grosses me out and reduces my enjoyment..


Blood doesnt make a better game if you ask me

[Kolikeos]

Tadpradel wrote...

Honestly, the only thing I really "disliked" was how shutoff you were after the final battle. Stuck in camp indefinitely unless you get the DLC's or The Awakening. I love the main storyline, but it would have been nice to travel still, play with other weapons, finish side-quests that are less relevant.

Kolikeos wrote...

Zusia wrote...

Why do people choose to play games where you hit things with swords and axes or burn them, blow them up, and crush them with spells yet object to blood and gore?

I object to it being exaggerated. Violence is welcome, just don't go overboard.

If you think this game is overboard on violence, try Monster Hunter Freedom. One slash of a sword is like a fountain of blood. I agree that sometimes the blood splatter is awkward (an archer or a mage being smothered in blood, when they never even got near combat), but this game is rather tame in process of violence.

I don't compare Dragon Age to other games as others here do all the time (that does not mean they are doing something wrong, it's just that I don't do it). I'm voicing my opinion of this specific game, regardless of how other games handle the same aspects.
The fact that others do something does not make it ok. If I were to play those other games I might have the same criticism.

On a different note, I forgot to mention how nice it was to have different origins for different chracters. I don't think there are any other games that have that, right? (Yeah, I know I'm contradicting my earlier statement^_^)

[night0205]

The only real reason you should stick around in Origins after you defeat the archdemon, is to sell stuff, put stuff in your inventory, and save for importing into Awakening and beyond. You should complete the DLC before you kill the Archdemon, but they give you the option to experience that afterwords if you like. It claims that you are in time before the final battle anyways, if you want to travel around a lot, do it before the final battle.

The only complaint I have with Dragon Age Origins, is that I want more...

[Tadpradel]

Kolikeos wrote...

Tadpradel wrote...

Honestly, the only thing I really "disliked" was how shutoff you were after the final battle. Stuck in camp indefinitely unless you get the DLC's or The Awakening. I love the main storyline, but it would have been nice to travel still, play with other weapons, finish side-quests that are less relevant.

Kolikeos wrote...

Zusia wrote...

Why do people choose to play games where you hit things with swords and axes or burn them, blow them up, and crush them with spells yet object to blood and gore?

I object to it being exaggerated. Violence is welcome, just don't go overboard.

If you think this game is overboard on violence, try Monster Hunter Freedom. One slash of a sword is like a fountain of blood. I agree that sometimes the blood splatter is awkward (an archer or a mage being smothered in blood, when they never even got near combat), but this game is rather tame in process of violence.

I don't compare Dragon Age to other games as others here do all the time (that does not mean they are doing something wrong, it's just that I don't do it). I'm voicing my opinion of this specific game, regardless of how other games handle the same aspects.
The fact that others do something does not make it ok. If I were to play those other games I might have the same criticism.

On a different note, I forgot to mention how nice it was to have different origins for different chracters. I don't think there are any other games that have that, right? (Yeah, I know I'm contradicting my earlier statement^_^)

The lable of having "too much" or "too little" is entirely based off everything else. You can have an initial opinion of "that's a lot", but typically it comes down to you playing a game you liked more (with less gore/sex appeal, etc.) and comparing it sub-consciencely to this game

[Limorkil]

what is it about the marketing that makes it so unpalatable?

It's the mid game advertising. I'd talk to a NPC and if I wanted to continue the conversation I'd need to download something.
This comic illustrates it perfectly http://cache.gawker..../11/01penny.jpg

Exactly. 

[JeCy108]

Limorkil wrote...

what is it about the marketing that makes it so unpalatable?

It's the mid game advertising. I'd talk to a NPC and if I wanted to continue the conversation I'd need to download something.
This comic illustrates it perfectly http://cache.gawker..../11/01penny.jpg

Exactly. 

so dont buy it then,  I dont see the problem here..  Ive played other games that have given hints about expansions, Or even MMO's that to play the content it says,  go buy X expansion, or DL  X pack..

game ends and see an advertisement for the next expansion, or  the second coming of them game.  Personally i like the ingame add, Its how i knew the  DLC was avaiable.  I wish they would have an NPC that gets !  In denorim that lets you know about content thats not part of DAO..  It took me weeks before i knew about  lil's song..  2 months before i noticed chroicals, and almost 2 weeks before i saw the golems DL.

Im currious do you ever turn on a tv?  cause they ram stuff down your throat every 7 mins..  this is one click, to let you know then never comes up again.  In fact TV has added almost 7 full mins of commercials to a 1 hour tv show in the last 20 years.

id be one thing if around every corner they were saying to get this DL something for 5 bucks..   But its not,  10 bucks gets you both orgins add ones..  bringing the total if you didnt buy day one up to 45 or so dollars for 80+ hours of game play..

to me its a deal anyway you slice it..


But if you wanna vote, vote with your dollar, and dont buy from companies you dont like how they make things, I know i vote every single day.. and its not just games, every purchase i make is a vote.  If i need razers and the only store around is a place called   XXXX-mart...  ill grow a beard..


im just currious though, are you new to computer gaming?  cause ive been playing comp games a real long time, and this has been farily common practice going on almost 20 years.. not DLC,  but games have always used ingame markers and dialoge to let ya know about something extra.

one of my fondest memories from a bioware game was  lord foreshadow..  he was babling all about neverwinter nights.  I had to wait what? 4 years for that..  man now that was a teaser, atleast now adays they tell me about it and i can go get and play that night..  guess we have broad band to thank for that.

Modifié par JeCy108, 19 août 2010 - 06:23 .

[Ortaya Alevli]

It's not a "problem", perhaps, but it's definitely something that can put certain people off. I mean, you decide to take a look at this spot on your world map, travel there and drive off the soldiers, approach the mortally wounded fellow, and...here are your options:

1. Leave him alone.

2. [Download Content] Revive him.

I seriously laughed my head off when I first saw this crap. I ended up getting the DLC a week or so later, but c'mon, this is just...hilarious, man. Very unorthodox, to say the least. I have no intention of dramatizing it like "BioWare sold its soul to EA" or anything, mind you. It's just that this sort of thing will take time to get used to, at least for the likes of me.

[Pimpskinny]

The graphics are astounding. Not only are they good, but think about how smooth the game runs for as good as they are. Many other games would tax the heck out of your machine to produce the kind of visuals that DA does.



All those cutscenes featuring your custom character look great - closeups and all, and don't forget to look up and around every now and then. The environments are beautifully crafted - lights through the windows, leaves blowing in the wind, and all that goodness.



I can't really think of any dislikes. Sure there are things that could be better. But DA is a freakin' slam-dunk.



The in-game "advertising" doesn't bother me, even though by nature I can't stand advertising. Now if BioWare made it so you could order Coca-cola products in a tavern, then I'd be pissed haha.

[Kolikeos]

JeCy108 wrote...

so dont buy it then,  I dont see the problem here..  Ive played other games that have given hints about expansions, Or even MMO's that to play the content it says,  go buy X expansion, or DL  X pack..

I did not say this totaly ruins the game for me. It's still a good game so I'll still buy it. That does not mean I should not criticize aspects that I dislike.
Or did you mean the DLCs? I may or may not buy them, regardless of the fact that the in game advertising was annoying.

game ends and see an advertisement for the next expansion, or  the second coming of them game.  Personally i like the ingame add, Its how i knew the  DLC was avaiable.  I wish they would have an NPC that gets !  In denorim that lets you know about content thats not part of DAO..  It took me weeks before i knew about  lil's song..  2 months before i noticed chroicals, and almost 2 weeks before i saw the golems DL.

Ads at the end of the game would be fine.
There is a tab in the main menu that shows all the DLCs to date.

Im currious do you ever turn on a tv?  cause they ram stuff down your throat every 7 mins..  this is one click, to let you know then never comes up again.  In fact TV has added almost 7 full mins of commercials to a 1 hour tv show in the last 20 years.

No I don't. But I know what you mean. I would not object to DLCs being advertised during loading time.

id be one thing if around every corner they were saying to get this DL something for 5 bucks..   But its not,  10 bucks gets you both orgins add ones..  bringing the total if you didnt buy day one up to 45 or so dollars for 80+ hours of game play..

to me its a deal anyway you slice it..

As I said, you have a point about the price being reasonable. That was not the issue for me.

But if you wanna vote, vote with your dollar, and dont buy from companies you dont like how they make things, I know i vote every single day.. and its not just games, every purchase i make is a vote.  If i need razers and the only store around is a place called   XXXX-mart...  ill grow a beard..

Again, the game may be good enough for me to buy overall, but there are still things that could be better.

im just currious though, are you new to computer gaming?  cause ive been playing comp games a real long time, and this has been farily common practice going on almost 20 years.. not DLC,  but games have always used ingame markers and dialoge to let ya know about something extra.

No. There were advertisements in other games I've played, sure, but they were in a format of their own and not part of some NPC's conversation.
But as I said, I'm not comparing. If others do something it doesn't make it ok.

one of my fondest memories from a bioware game was  lord foreshadow..  he was babling all about neverwinter nights.  I had to wait what? 4 years for that..  man now that was a teaser, atleast now adays they tell me about it and i can go get and play that night..  guess we have broad band to thank for that.

An easter egg can be anything they want. I don't see it like the advertising in DA.

[Eurypterid]

Kolikeos wrote...

It's the mid game advertising. I'd talk to a NPC and if I wanted to continue the conversation I'd need to download something.
This comic illustrates it perfectly http://cache.gawker..../11/01penny.jpg

A bit late getting back to you on this, but I agree. When this type of DLC advertising was announced there was a lot of complaining about it. I was in the "Wait to see how it looks before bashing it camp", but after seeing it in action, I don't care for it either. I believe it was an experiment by BioWare though, so I'm hoping it was a one-game affair. Still, as much as I didn't care for it, it didn't make me want to skip all DLC just on principle.

[Zusia]

JeCy108 wrote...

Zusia wrote...

Why do people choose to play games where you hit things with swords and axes or burn them, blow them up, and crush them with spells yet object to blood and gore?

some people dont like blood and guts..  I personaly have no desire to see it, Its not entertianing to me in the least..   seeing someone get their head hacked off as i defeat an ememy in no way increases my enjoyment.. Infact it just grosses me out and reduces my enjoyment..


Blood doesn't make a better game if you ask me

The more realism the better I say. Blasting someone in the head with a two handed hammer and all they do is back up a little is immersion breaking to me. May as well have rainbow sparkles and bunnies fly outta their ears. I like the medieval setting too but midieval certainly shouldn't equal munchkin land.

[BrandonMotz]

Zusia wrote...

JeCy108 wrote...

Zusia wrote...

Why do people choose to play games where you hit things with swords and axes or burn them, blow them up, and crush them with spells yet object to blood and gore?

some people dont like blood and guts..  I personaly have no desire to see it, Its not entertianing to me in the least..   seeing someone get their head hacked off as i defeat an ememy in no way increases my enjoyment.. Infact it just grosses me out and reduces my enjoyment..


Blood doesn't make a better game if you ask me

The more realism the better I say. Blasting someone in the head with a two handed hammer and all they do is back up a little is immersion breaking to me. May as well have rainbow sparkles and bunnies fly outta their ears. I like the medieval setting too but midieval certainly shouldn't equal munchkin land.

It does seem wierd to me that if you do not like games with blood and gore and smashing heads in with maces I am kind of wondering why you playing bioware games.... Are not all Bioware games based on killing something in some way or another?

I do not remember playing a bioware game where you beat the game by giving the dragon a bouquet of flowers and sing it a song

Also I am not sure since I did not check, but I am pretty sure there will be a gore filter built in.

[Kolikeos]

Realism is a poor argument for inserting bad real world phenomena into games. There are many breaks from reality in games that we take for given, failing to include the worst real life has to offer will mostly go unnoticed. Anyway, can you blame me for wanting fantasy to be prettier than reality?

That's in response to those who wrote that rape and extreme violence give a realistic feel to the game.



On a different subject: why do people keep on saying "don't play/buy the game"? Obviously if I'm here to talk about the game I must have liked it.

[AndrahilAdrian]

Modifié par AndrahilAdrian, 22 août 2010 - 07:22 .

[DwarvenRogue]

Hey, I'm new here, but I agree and disagree with your points..

first of all..

I think potions are for noobs, you can use your health poulitices and injury kits and lyrium when you need them( If you don't have a mage on the team which is stupid unless you have an amazing strategy)



second like you said I also wish If the sexual content wouldn't be an option when your party members approval was high only If you were seriously looking for it (Idiots) like If you kept on stalling the conversation and answering answers which definitely lead to the sexual content.. You know what I mean?



If the blood can be disabled Its fine but if it can be reduced it would be good enough for people who want some blood but not a river...



About the female sexiness it doesn't even matter..Just when the party has a conversation when all the talking is somehow sexually related..And morrigans clothes never changes when armor is equiped....And witherfangs wrong nipple placement and eroticism..I don't play the game for eroticism I play it cause its something distinct and fun..Whoever wants eroticism, play american pie..... Its not an achievement being an 17,18+ game while it can be 15,16+ without those stuff...



something I'd like to add is that It would be amazing to add more types of weapons.You see in dragon age origins there isn't such a variety of weapons I'd love it if they added spears double-edge swords scythes gauntlets...

Something else it would be awesome if they added some combos or more variety of attacks cause I'm sick of the same 3 or 4 attacks and if they add some knew finishers like more types in different positions and they better be agile and swift..cause I expected the dual handed whirlwind to be something awesome and it sure disappointed me.adding some swift maneuvers would be great..



Graphic wise it may need some minor improvements and more detail...



this a great game but it needs some improvements...



That all I will say right know if anyone wants to argue or disproof me, go ahead.....