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[Daur]

Perhaps one of the most loved companions from DA:O (at least I find him awesome) should return as a companion of Hawke during the course of DA2.

Now before you start bashing on this idea, or openly mock Oghren's character as most of you seem to do, lets look at some supporting data.

1. Oghren is the ONLY companion from DA:O that cannot be slain, well besides Morrigan but she has that whole god baby thing to deal with. Simply put, he is alive and well in EVERY DA:O save file and so the whole hassle of working around whether he is dead or not does not have to come into play.

2. Oghren also makes an appearance in Awakening as a companion character, AND he can't be killed for good in Awakening as well. This inclusion of Oghren in Awakening shows how much Bioware loves the little redheaded stone child, and inclusion in DA2 as a companion character could push Oghren to a level of character seen in Tali and Garrus in the Mass Effect series, a companion that can span throughout all games of the series that acts as a sorta posterchild for the franchise.

3. Bioware has stated multiple times that Oghren is a favorite of the developers behind the Dragon Age franchise.

4. Oghren possesses a fanbase within the Dragon Age community, though not as large as say the Morrigan group.

5. Oghren could be used as the main comic relief companion of DA2. Bioware has always seemed to designate a single character as the main comic relief companion in all their games (HK-47 in KotOR, Oghren in DA, Minsc in BG, etc.). Bringing Oghren back into the Dragon Age universe will allow Bioware to continue to build off the solid, funny antic characteristic base that they have crafted in Oghren's character throughout DA:O and Awakening, instead of creating a new character from scratch.

6. With the setting of the game moved from Ferelden to the Free Marches, DA2 will be hard pressed to show a viable dwarven population seeing as their one and only main city lies in Ferelden, so DA2 will have to make the most out of every dwarven character, making them give off a unique and memorable image, much like Oghren already has in DA:O and Awakening.

7. The inclusion of Oghren as one of Hawke's companions will allow Bioware to use him as a sort of conduit to rehash what went down in DA:O, Awakening, and everything in between.

8. Finally, Oghren's voice actor (the allmighty STEVE BLUM) is currently one of the most used voice actors by Bioware, lending his voice in some way shape or form in every single Bioware game. This implies that Bioware trusts and appreciates Steve's contribution to their games, and I hope they continue the trend of including Steve Blum in DA2 through Oghren.

Those are my thoughts on the matter, and I know I'm in the minority when I say Oghren was one of the best companion characters in all of Bioware's games, but I believe the inclusion of Oghren in DA2 as one of Hawke's companions would be a sound move and a nice throwback to the game that launched the franchise.

Don't be hatin!

[trying_touch]

you can kill oghren... in DA:O, you can get him so angry at you that he fights you, after you beat him, you can kill him...

[Bahlgan]

It's already an eye sore to hear that my Warden won't be returning, combined with that he might not have his way with a certain romantic partner. I won't tire you of that certain story, but I will say that Oghren is a cool character, alot cooler than the vast majority give credit for!



I don't believe though that he will be returning; not if he settles with Felsi, like in my story. I do believe that it is possible for Morrigan to return (even if I may not like it). I can certainly see Zevran returning and Anders, for they travelled, as far as I am concerned, around the rest of Thedas.

[nightcobra]

Oghren: shows what you know about dwarves. heh heh HA HA HA...passes out... burp mabari chariots heh...

[TheMadCat]

Daur wrote...

Perhaps one of the most loved companions from DA:O (at least I find him awesome) should return as a companion of Hawke during the course of DA2.

1. Oghren is the ONLY companion from DA:O that cannot be slain, well besides Morrigan but she has that whole god baby thing to deal with. Simply put, he is alive and well in EVERY DA:O save file and so the whole hassle of working around whether he is dead or not does not have to come into play.

Well since they're transfereing saved data wouldn't this point be kind of mute since they could see who lived and who died.

2. Oghren also makes an appearance in Awakening as a companion character, AND he can't be killed for good in Awakening as well. This inclusion of Oghren in Awakening shows how much Bioware loves the little redheaded stone child, and inclusion in DA2 as a companion character could push Oghren to a level of character seen in Tali and Garrus in the Mass Effect series, a companion that can span throughout all games of the series that acts as a sorta posterchild for the franchise.

See point 1.

3. Bioware has stated multiple times that Oghren is a favorite of the developers behind the Dragon Age franchise.

Disturbing fact I know.

4. Oghren possesses a fanbase within the Dragon Age community, though not as large as say the Morrigan group.

Or Leliana's, or Alistairs, or Sten's, or Shales, or Dog's, maybe he's on par with Wynne in terms of die hard fans.

5. Oghren could be used as the main comic relief companion of DA2. Bioware has always seemed to designate a single character as the main comic relief companion in all their games (HK-47 in KotOR, Oghren in DA, Minsc in BG, etc.). Bringing Oghren back into the Dragon Age universe will allow Bioware to continue to build off the solid, funny antic characteristic base that they have crafted in Oghren's character throughout DA:O and Awakening, instead of creating a new character from scratch.

Hmm, in order for a character to be used for comic relief wouldn't they first have to actually be funny most of the time?

6. With the setting of the game moved from Ferelden to the Free Marches, DA2 will be hard pressed to show a viable dwarven population seeing as their one and only main city lies in Ferelden, so DA2 will have to make the most out of every dwarven character, making them give off a unique and memorable image, much like Oghren already has in DA:O and Awakening.

Bah, Dwarves, who the hell needs um. Let the Darkspawn swallow them whole I say.

7. The inclusion of Oghren as one of Hawke's companions will allow Bioware to use him as a sort of conduit to rehash what went down in DA:O, Awakening, and everything in between.

Or we could simply take one of the good character, plenty to choose from.

8. Finally, Oghren's voice actor (the allmighty STEVE BLUM) is currently one of the most used voice actors by Bioware, lending his voice in some way shape or form in every single Bioware game. This implies that Bioware trusts and appreciates Steve's contribution to their games, and I hope they continue the trend of including Steve Blum in DA2 through Oghren.

I cannot disagree here, Steve Blum is one of the greats and the only reason Oghren is on rockbottom instead of below in my opinion.

Don't be hatin!

My sole purpose on this Earth is to hate on Oghren. Oh yes, haters most certainly gonna hate. <_<

[Riona45]

Daur wrote...


2. Oghren also makes an appearance in Awakening as a companion character, AND he can't be killed for good in Awakening as well.

Actually, he can, if you leave him to defend the Keep and haven't had it fully upgraded.

[Maverick827]

Steve Blum is a great voice actor, but his Oghren is over the top, annoying, and out of place. No other dwarf in the game tries to sound like your typical rough-and-tumble dwarf; the Dragon Age universe seemed to wish to avoid that trope except for the case of Oghren, for whatever reason. I would much rather have Blum voice the characters he is better known for, characters like Spike and Mugen. A human Rogue voiced by Blum would be pretty epic.

As you have said, Oghren is intended to be the "comic relief" character. But in a mature, supposed dark fantasy, comic relief should be few and far between, and never in the slap-stick sense of Oghren. Burping during the joining? Really? It's too ridiculous. Comic relief should be clever and natural, such as the back and forths between Alastair and Morrigan or some of the more tongue-in-cheek dialog options that are available.

And I wouldn't worry too much about the underrepresentation of Dwarves; we only had one in Origins, and we only had one Elf as well. BioWare doesn't seem afraid to make quite literally 80% of your team Human (well, or Golem, Mabari, and Qunari...alright, the team was more varied than I give credit, but still).

I think if any companions should return as party members, they should be temporary. Sten and Leliana in some early Lothering module would be interesting. I forget exactly where Wynne is headed to when you see her in Awakenings, but if it's anywhere near the Free Marches, then that could work as well.

As I always do, I will promptly ask Oghren to leave wherever he appears, if only to save myself from that god-awful voice. Sorry, Steve.

[Daur]

[quote]TheMadCat wrote...

[quote]Daur wrote...

Perhaps one of the most loved companions from DA:O (at least I find him awesome) should return as a companion of Hawke during the course of DA2.[/quote]



[quote]
1. Oghren is the ONLY companion from DA:O that cannot be slain, well besides Morrigan but she has that whole god baby thing to deal with. Simply put, he is alive and well in EVERY DA:O save file and so the whole hassle of working around whether he is dead or not does not have to come into play.[/quote]

Well since they're transfereing saved data wouldn't this point be kind of mute since they could see who lived and who died.
[quote]
2. Oghren also makes an appearance in Awakening as a companion character, AND he can't be killed for good in Awakening as well. This inclusion of Oghren in Awakening shows how much Bioware loves the little redheaded stone child, and inclusion in DA2 as a companion character could push Oghren to a level of character seen in Tali and Garrus in the Mass Effect series, a companion that can span throughout all games of the series that acts as a sorta posterchild for the franchise.[/quote]

See point 1.


[quote]3. Bioware has stated multiple times that Oghren is a favorite of the developers behind the Dragon Age franchise.[/quote]

Disturbing fact I know.


[quote]4. Oghren possesses a fanbase within the Dragon Age community, though not as large as say the Morrigan group.[/quote]

Or Leliana's, or Alistairs, or Sten's, or Shales, or Dog's, maybe he's on par with Wynne in terms of die hard fans.


[quote]5. Oghren could be used as the main comic relief companion of DA2. Bioware has always seemed to designate a single character as the main comic relief companion in all their games (HK-47 in KotOR, Oghren in DA, Minsc in BG, etc.). Bringing Oghren back into the Dragon Age universe will allow Bioware to continue to build off the solid, funny antic characteristic base that they have crafted in Oghren's character throughout DA:O and Awakening, instead of creating a new character from scratch.[/quote]

Hmm, in order for a character to be used for comic relief wouldn't they first have to actually be funny most of the time?


[quote]6. With the setting of the game moved from Ferelden to the Free Marches, DA2 will be hard pressed to show a viable dwarven population seeing as their one and only main city lies in Ferelden, so DA2 will have to make the most out of every dwarven character, making them give off a unique and memorable image, much like Oghren already has in DA:O and Awakening.[/quote]

Bah, Dwarves, who the hell needs um. Let the Darkspawn swallow them whole I say.


[quote]7. The inclusion of Oghren as one of Hawke's companions will allow Bioware to use him as a sort of conduit to rehash what went down in DA:O, Awakening, and everything in between.[/quote]

Or we could simply take one of the good character, plenty to choose from.


[quote]8. Finally, Oghren's voice actor (the allmighty STEVE BLUM) is currently one of the most used voice actors by Bioware, lending his voice in some way shape or form in every single Bioware game. This implies that Bioware trusts and appreciates Steve's contribution to their games, and I hope they continue the trend of including Steve Blum in DA2 through Oghren.[/quote]

I cannot disagree here, Steve Blum is one of the greats and the only reason Oghren is on rockbottom instead of below in my opinion.




[quote]Don't be hatin! [/quote]

My sole purpose on this Earth is to hate on Oghren. Oh yes, haters most certainly gonna hate. <_<

[/quote]
True transferring data over allows them to check who's dead and alive but for him to come back as a COMPANION character he has to be alive 100% as seen with Tali and Garrus in ME2 and not Wrex.

Oghren's fanbase might be small, but in this gamer's mind I find him the second best character in the game, behind Morrigan of course, plus Bioware loves him so that kinda gives him an edge.

Your sense of humor must be lacking or missing entirely not to find him funny....

Your notion that Bioware should bring back another character to rehash everything could work, but it would be a minor character, Oghren is a solid main character that could also be used as a companion instead of some crapping cameo.

You remind me of myself with that last comment of living to hate on Oghren as I do the same for Tali. Difference is that Tali has a reason for people to hate her Oghren doesn't really have one.

[Bryy_Miller]

I liked my Awakening Oghren ending. He stood stoic as his wife and kid just left. There are actually a slew of party members that could or could not come back.

[Enshaid]

*Clears throat*



ASSCHAPS!

[Bahlgan]

Jeedepee wrote...

Oghren can't be at two places at the same time, can he?

Shows what YOU know about dwarves... HAH!!

What? You never heard of the power they squander so much as a substitute for magic? Oghren once got so drunk in camp one night that he teleported through Bodahn Feddic's campsite and created a sonic boom. After two weeks of searching, my Warden and crew finally managed to locate him at the same place where you get that star metal.

the Dragon Age universe seemed to wish to avoid that trope except for the case of Oghren, for whatever reason

You better watch your mouth, or else your speech is going to convince the developers to create more Oghren-sounding dwarves; not that it would bother me, I am immune to low-pitched sounds 

Modifié par Bahlgan, 12 août 2010 - 07:19 .

[TheMadCat]

Your sense of humor must be lacking or missing entirely not to find him funny....

Eh, what can I say. Fart jokes, sexual innuendos, drunken rips, and other assorted bawdy remarks, got all that out of my system by the 7th grade. He had some moments, but compared to all of BioWare's other comic relief characters he was far and away the worst of the lot.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 12 août 2010 - 07:29 .

[KLUME777]

When i saw the title, i thought it was some rant about a fan wanting his fav companion in DA2, but when i read it, it a ll makes sense now.



I honestly wont be surprised to find Ogrhen in DA2. My only problem is i don't like him too much.

[Bahlgan]

Oghren reminds me so much of Gimli from LOTR, even more so when I found out there was a motif in the Stone Prisoner DLC mentioning your command for Shale to toss Oghren. I thought Oghren was awesome, even though he was not my favorite character in the game; he certainly had much humor in the game, drunk and sober. But yea, the farts and burps were a little over the top, I'll give Mr. Cynic above me that much credit.

8. Finally, Oghren's voice actor (the allmighty STEVE BLUM) is currently one of the most used voice actors by Bioware, lending his voice in some way shape or form in every single Bioware game. This implies that Bioware trusts and appreciates Steve's contribution to their games, and I hope they continue the trend of including Steve Blum in DA2 through Oghren.

Marvel comic's Wolverine voice actor! Yes I would not expect any less respectful talk about him!

Modifié par Bahlgan, 12 août 2010 - 07:31 .

[Chairon de Celeste]

Some imho tasteless storywriter jokes on Ohgren's cost within the Awakening
xp have ruined him for me - I'd rather remember him as 'the warrior my warden
has taught him to be' at the gates of Denerim and vote foir a female dwarf with
a Felsi like personality within RtP instead.

Although - after that low in Awakening things can only improve for Ohgren:crying:
- wich would include a voice talent similar in quality to John di Maggio's voice acting
of 'Smiling Jack' in 'Vampire: Bloodlines'.

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 12 août 2010 - 07:53 .

[Daur]

True Oghren does goes overboard a bit in Awakening, but after awhile he gets better in that expansion.



@KLUME777, yes I have seen too many fan rants, before I started this I had to come up with some supporting claims/facts/opinions/stuff



Oh and his "death" in DA:O, you goad him into fighting you after making him reach -100 approval, then you beat him then select the kill command..........and then his character model just vanishs...



That can't even be considered a kill, there is no cutscene, no dead body, no dialogue to support his death besides a footnote in the codex that is one sentence long, there is no mention anyway else, you could basically take off the "(kill him)" from the dialogue choice and see it as him just leaving camp.



That is unlike every other companion's death which has some sort of cutscene or your warden can actually be shown killing them in combat. They all also leaves their dead bodies behind. Oghren's model just vanishs which can just be seen as him leaving camp, hardly a death at all : /

[Daur]

Though he probally won't be in DA2, I just felt like I should throw my opinion out there. I also feel Oghren possesses a more solid claim for a returning role than the other companions from DA:O and felt like I should voice said opinion.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Oghren is the second worst companion BioWare has ever made.



So, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they put him in DA2. That seems to be where this game is headed.

[Bahlgan]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Oghren is the second worst companion BioWare has ever made.

So, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they put him in DA2. That seems to be where this game is headed.

If I can keep a cool head about DA:O2, anyone can. Pleeeease don't judge a "book" by its cover; at least not until the "book" is sold in stores and you know for certain the "book" is worth no more than a week supply of toilet paper.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Bahlgan wrote...
If I can keep a cool head about DA:O2, anyone can. Pleeeease don't judge a "book" by its cover; at least not until the "book" is sold in stores and you know for certain the "book" is worth no more than a week supply of toilet paper.

I used the word "seems". That should be pretty self-explanatory.

[Daur]

True, awakening did hurt him a lot in the character development department.



@mystranna, wth? Obviously Tali and Wynne are the worst two companions bioware has ever made. Oghren is solid top ten material

[UndercoverDoctor]

filaminstrel wrote...

Eh, Oghren had his chance to develop in Awakening, but instead he regressed, IMO. They took a character who was equal parts comic relief and a serious character with his own set of troubles, and drowned the serious part of him in a lake, leaving comic relief as his only real purpose. Okay, maybe that's a little unfair given the little sidequest about him being a father, but I found it to be wholly uncompelling.

I thought that was very well put.

[Chairon de Celeste]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Oghren is the second worst companion BioWare has ever made.

So, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they put him in DA2. That seems to be where this game is headed.

Like Floodgate's Deekin from NWN SoU in HotU - history tends to repeat itself...

wait.. both Ohgren and HotU are way better than SoU and Dee'doom doom doom'kin

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 12 août 2010 - 07:49 .