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[KLUME777]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Oghren is the second worst companion BioWare has ever made.

So, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they put him in DA2. That seems to be where this game is headed.

Whats the worst?

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Daur wrote...
@mystranna, wth? Obviously Tali and Wynne are the worst two companions bioware has ever made. Oghren is solid top ten material

While Tali is a one-dimensional spoiled princess-brat, that's at least somewhat interesting as a character trait.

Wynne is perfectly acceptable as a character too. I wouldn't say I "like" her, but she's at least fleshed-out.

Oghren is a juvenile attempt at frat humor and really nothing more, especially in Awakening.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

KLUME777 wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Oghren is the second worst companion BioWare has ever made.

So, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they put him in DA2. That seems to be where this game is headed.

Whats the worst?

In terms of likeability, Loghain.

In terms of being a ******-poor character, hell, maybe Oghren is the worst.

[Daur]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Daur wrote...
@mystranna, wth? Obviously Tali and Wynne are the worst two companions bioware has ever made. Oghren is solid top ten material

While Tali is a one-dimensional spoiled princess-brat, that's at least somewhat interesting as a character trait.

Wynne is perfectly acceptable as a character too. I wouldn't say I "like" her, but she's at least fleshed-out.

Oghren is a juvenile attempt at frat humor and really nothing more, especially in Awakening.

I have to disagree with you there, at least with Oghren in DA:O.

You could, in a way, mold his character as revealed by Oghren during his speech with the warden at the gates of denerim.

But Awakening Oghren was over the top, but I could stomach it and enjoy his antics during the later stages of the expansion

[Daur]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Oghren is the second worst companion BioWare has ever made.

So, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they put him in DA2. That seems to be where this game is headed.

Whats the worst?

In terms of likeability, Loghain.

In terms of being a ******-poor character, hell, maybe Oghren is the worst.

Well, Oghren and Loghain happen to be on my top ten list of bioware characters, and my second and third favorite DA:O characters.....

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Daur wrote...
But Awakening Oghren was over the top, but I could stomach it and enjoy his antics during the later stages of the expansion

I found nothing enjoyable about incessant sexual harrassment and beer jokes. To each his/her/its own, I guess.

[Daur]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Daur wrote...
But Awakening Oghren was over the top, but I could stomach it and enjoy his antics during the later stages of the expansion

I found nothing enjoyable about incessant sexual harrassment and beer jokes. To each his/her/its own, I guess.

You gotta look deeper than that, the reason why he falls to such depths of immaturity is because he is facing great mental and emotional problems with felsi and his child.

It's like his way of coping and his means to escape (combined with his drinking), this is very realistic because I have known many people that fall into similar behavior when faced with daunting emotional and stressful problems.

Perhaps this is why I find Oghren awesome, because I know that underneath all the immaturity, is a decent being in need of help struggling through his problems, and my warden is glad to aid him

[Chairon de Celeste]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I found nothing enjoyable about incessant sexual harrassment and beer jokes. To each his/her/its own, I guess.

This - and you're lucky haven't heard the convo about his gouts (pus pimples iirc)

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 12 août 2010 - 08:09 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Daur wrote...
You gotta look deeper than that, the reason why he falls to such depths of immaturity is because he is facing great mental and emotional problems with felsi and his child.

It's like his way of coping and his means to escape (combined with his drinking), this is very realistic because I have known many people that fall into similar behavior when faced with daunting emotional and stressful problems.

Perhaps this is why I find Oghren awesome, because I know that underneath all the immaturity, is a decent being in need of help struggling through his problems, and my warden is glad to aid him

My first runthrough I had my Warden stay silent during the entire Felsi/Oghren confrontation and I'm pretty sure he rather simply decides to abandon them and "maybe" he'll write letters to his child.

And, no, he was always that immature. Case in point, DAO. There was just less opportunities for him to display it in DAO.

[Daur]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Daur wrote...
You gotta look deeper than that, the reason why he falls to such depths of immaturity is because he is facing great mental and emotional problems with felsi and his child.

It's like his way of coping and his means to escape (combined with his drinking), this is very realistic because I have known many people that fall into similar behavior when faced with daunting emotional and stressful problems.

Perhaps this is why I find Oghren awesome, because I know that underneath all the immaturity, is a decent being in need of help struggling through his problems, and my warden is glad to aid him

My first runthrough I had my Warden stay silent during the entire Felsi/Oghren confrontation and I'm pretty sure he rather simply decides to abandon them and "maybe" he'll write letters to his child.

And, no, he was always that immature. Case in point, DAO. There was just less opportunities for him to display it in DAO.

Hrm you must have done something wrong the, during my playthroughs I have always gotten his approval to the max and through this Oghren opens up to the warden and becomes more like a good ol war buddy, this also cuts downs his immaturity level.

Your point that he will just write the kid and leave Felsi is interesting because if you intervene you can influence oghren to sober up and help him through his problems.

Oghren is meant to be shaped by the warden throughout their adventures together, if you leave him as is he'll just be immature and annoying to a degree, help him through his problems and he becomes more bearable and akin to a friend.

[Saraphial]

NO.



I will not put up with Oghren for another entire game. He was not a comic relief character, he simply burped and moped a bunch about his (depending on your choices) dead or crazy ex-wife. The main comic relief characters were for the most part Alistair and Anders.



Besides, I really wouldn't mind cameos for characters in DA:O, but I definitely wouldn't want any of the same companions. Think about it; you would basically have to sit and listen to all the things you already know about these characters because you technically aren't the same person who spent two years listening to them whine about there issues to you while you defeated the blight. It's just not a good idea.



/end rant.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Daur wrote...
Hrm you must have done something wrong the, during my playthroughs I have always gotten his approval to the max and through this Oghren opens up to the warden and becomes more like a good ol war buddy, this also cuts downs his immaturity level.

Your point that he will just write the kid and leave Felsi is interesting because if you intervene you can influence oghren to sober up and help him through his problems.

Oghren is meant to be shaped by the warden throughout their adventures together, if you leave him as is he'll just be immature and annoying to a degree, help him through his problems and he becomes more bearable and akin to a friend.

I got the "war buddy" ending speech in DAO. That doesn't nullify all the "rump roast" type conversations that took place earlier.

And I wanted to see how Oghren handled his own affairs and settled his own problems in Awakening. Those are his true colors, and they're rather telling.

[Dave of Canada]

Hawke: Well.. here we are, Bethany. The Free Marshes. Free from all the scum of Ferel-



Oghren: Hey there, kid! I've seem to have lost of my pants!



Hawke: God dammit.

[Daur]

Saraphial wrote...

NO.

I will not put up with Oghren for another entire game. He was not a comic relief character, he simply burped and moped a bunch about his (depending on your choices) dead or crazy ex-wife. The main comic relief characters were for the most part Alistair and Anders.

Besides, I really wouldn't mind cameos for characters in DA:O, but I definitely wouldn't want any of the same companions. Think about it; you would basically have to sit and listen to all the things you already know about these characters because you technically aren't the same person who spent two years listening to them whine about there issues to you while you defeated the blight. It's just not a good idea.

/end rant.

Alistair was a whineing sod whose jokes bordered on complaints, same goes to Anders.

There are different flavors of humor so meh

Bringing a companion or two back in DA2 as companions would not be such a bad idea, it's like garrus and tali in the mass effect series, it allows one to continue to see the familiar faces the one bonded with in the previous game.

Or would you rather have bioware make an entire new cast and throw out everything they build with DA:O companions? : /

[Daur]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hawke: Well.. here we are, Bethany. The Free Marshes. Free from all the scum of Ferel-

Oghren: Hey there, kid! I've seem to have lost of my pants!

Hawke: God dammit.

Oghren is NOT scum, now if Zevran showed up....

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Daur wrote...
Or would you rather have bioware make an entire new cast and throw out everything they build with DA:O companions? : /

I would much rather see an entire new cast.

Judging from ME2, BioWare has no idea how to make a satisfying carry-over character.

[Gerudan]

I would rather have Zevran as the only possible romance for Hawke (regardless if male or female) than have to put up with Oghren once more. -.-

[Dave of Canada]

Gerudan wrote...

I would rather have Zevran as the only possible romance for Hawke (regardless if male or female) than have to put up with Oghren once more. -.-

Most of Oghren's lines came from Zevran, though!

[Chairon de Celeste]

Same here @ 100 % approval in DA O

My experience with alcohol addicts is though:
no matter how often you whip them into shape again,
each time their flashbacks into the drug career along
with their problems get worse if they aren't 100%
serious about leaving their old life behind and
headstrong enough stick to that course.

I'm not willing to help Ohgren up for a 3rd time
- enough real life guzzlers in my neighbourhood.

Modifié par Chairon de Celeste, 12 août 2010 - 08:23 .

[Daur]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Daur wrote...
Or would you rather have bioware make an entire new cast and throw out everything they build with DA:O companions? : /

I would much rather see an entire new cast.

Judging from ME2, BioWare has no idea how to make a satisfying carry-over character.

Hrm we must disagree on everything I suppose.

I found Garrus' change from ME1 to ME2 enjoyable because it allowed shep to bring him back from the "dark side", but the lack of Garrus dialogue made me mad.

Tali actually got better in my opinion, she went from walking, talking codex updater to an actual character with an enjoyable and interesting sidequest.

Wrex did well with what little time he was given, hope he does more in the third game though

[Dave of Canada]

Chairon de Celeste wrote...

Same here @ 100 % approval in DA O

My experience with alcohol addicts is though:
no matter how often you whip them into shape again,
each time their flashback into the drug career along
with their problems get worse if they aren't 100%
serious about leaving their old life behind and
stick to that course.

I'm not willing to help Ohgren up for a 3rd time
- enough real life guzzlers in my neighbourhood.

Just do the Ultimate Sacrifice with your Warden being friends with Oghren, that's probably one of the only ways he'll stay sober.

[Saraphial]

Daur wrote...

Saraphial wrote...

NO.

I will not put up with Oghren for another entire game. He was not a comic relief character, he simply burped and moped a bunch about his (depending on your choices) dead or crazy ex-wife. The main comic relief characters were for the most part Alistair and Anders.

Besides, I really wouldn't mind cameos for characters in DA:O, but I definitely wouldn't want any of the same companions. Think about it; you would basically have to sit and listen to all the things you already know about these characters because you technically aren't the same person who spent two years listening to them whine about there issues to you while you defeated the blight. It's just not a good idea.

/end rant.

Alistair was a whineing sod whose jokes bordered on complaints, same goes to Anders.

There are different flavors of humor so meh

Bringing a companion or two back in DA2 as companions would not be such a bad idea, it's like garrus and tali in the mass effect series, it allows one to continue to see the familiar faces the one bonded with in the previous game.

Or would you rather have bioware make an entire new cast and throw out everything they build with DA:O companions? : /

It was welcome with Mass Effect because you were still playing the same character. By no means am I saying Bioware should scrap everything they did with the da:o companions, but if they were to use them in da2 as companions it would just be awkward and repetitive because they have no idea who you are. Leave the warden's companion to the warden. Hawke is a completely different story and person. 

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Daur wrote...
Hrm we must disagree on everything I suppose.

I found Garrus' change from ME1 to ME2 enjoyable because it allowed shep to bring him back from the "dark side", but the lack of Garrus dialogue made me mad.

Tali actually got better in my opinion, she went from walking, talking codex updater to an actual character with an enjoyable and interesting sidequest.

Wrex did well with what little time he was given, hope he does more in the third game though

Garrus and Tali were both fan-service retcons.

No matter how you treated or swayed Garrus in ME1 he turns into a renegade douchebag.
And no matter how much Tali hates you in ME1 she turns into a Shepard fangirl. They didn't carry over the personalities ME1 allows you to shape.

Wrex was their best work, but even he was rather bland and inconsequential.

Liara is just horrid (speaking from the perspective of having romanced her), and Ash and Kai are just there as plot fillers. Shepard can't talk to them in any real way because that would be inconvenient for BioWare's plot rails.

[thegreateski]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Chairon de Celeste wrote...

Same here @ 100 % approval in DA O

My experience with alcohol addicts is though:
no matter how often you whip them into shape again,
each time their flashback into the drug career along
with their problems get worse if they aren't 100%
serious about leaving their old life behind and
stick to that course.

I'm not willing to help Ohgren up for a 3rd time
- enough real life guzzlers in my neighbourhood.

Just do the Ultimate Sacrifice with your Warden being friends with Oghren, that's probably one of the only ways he'll stay sober.

So it only takes the Warden's SOUL being destroyed for him to stay sober?

That's great.