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[timj2011]

i save kaiden because whenever you have ash in your squad and talk to her in battle, she fricken screams, really loudly, whereas kaiden softly says "what commander", so i kill ash

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Ashley

[Super ._. Shepard]

if i am a biotic i save ash if i am a solider i save kaiden

[Boombox]

I almost always save Kaidan, I find him much more interesting and down to earth. To me, Ashley's pretty boring and basically just a nasty self righteous *****. I really can't stand talking to her.



I like that they are complete opposites and I hope if they're in ME3 they aren't just a clone of each other.

[Possessedkitten]

Alright, im saving Ashley.

[magelet]

Ashley is a way more annoying character, but useful if you're playing as a sentinel or something. Nevertheless, I usually save Kaidan just cause I like him more.

[Asepsis]

timj2011 wrote...

i save kaiden because whenever you have ash in your squad and talk to her in battle, she fricken screams, really loudly, whereas kaiden softly says "what commander", so i kill ash

LOL!

I think you should save who ever annoys you the least. I personally think Ashley is a xenophobe so I don't really like her all that much, I always save Kaidan when I play through, he's less bigoted.

[AussieBee]

I always let Ash die. She's a specieist **** and by far the less interesting character =P

[Comrade Bork]

AussieBee wrote...

I always let Ash die. She's a specieist **** and by far the less interesting character =P

Them's fightin' words.

[gi0m]

Kill the one you prefer. the drama effect will work better.

[Apasas]

I generally save Ash, unless I have a role playing reason to save Kaiden.

[Rogue Unit]

Ashley. Every time except once just to see the difference.



Kaidan is too much of a wuss.

[PsyrenY]

I usually kill whichever is one is mistakenly entering a relationship with my gay Shepard.

[upsettingshorts]

I romance Liara on both ManShep and FemShep usually, so LI doesn't really come into it. But for plot reasons - the canon I want to set up for my Shep's story - I sacrifice Ashley Williams on Virmire. It redeems her family name completely. And I like Ash as a character more than Kaidan, I just feel that Kaidan needs to do more to have a memorable story arc so I'm hoping they give him something to do in ME3.

And for the love of all that is holy, stop calling her racist. She's a nationalist who doesn't like the idea of having foreign nationals on top secret military projects, and doesn't trust the motivations of other nations believing that when conditions permit, they will look out for themselves and not the galactic community. 

As evidenced in the Cerberus-Racist thread in the ME2 forum, people throw around the term with only the vaguest, most inaccurate notion of what it actually implies.  There are words in the English language that describe Ashley (nationalist) and Cerberus (jingoist) without pulling out the race card.  It's the Mass Effect-universe equivalent of the Godwin.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 27 août 2010 - 08:52 .

[Raanz]

Personally I romanced Ash and found her much more interesting. She has "layers".

Ash for the mf win!

[Clay Curragh]

Optimystic_X wrote...

I usually kill whichever is one is mistakenly entering a relationship with my gay Shepard.

Yeah, the best way to get annoying people out of your hair who think you're in a relationship with them
is to atomize them.
Works every time.

[mopotter]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I would be lying to you if I told you there was a correct answer to this question.

Just go with your gut and save the one you think you like better. There really is nothing more to it.

I agree.  Though I tend to take turns.  I like Kaidan a lot, but I start to feel guilty if I don't save Ash once in awhile.  

I have at least one game where I've romanced Kaidan and saved Ash and vice versa.  After the first game, I now always save whoever stays with the nuke.  

[Lord Aeducan]

Leave Ash behind save kaiden Ash can be a total ****** bag

[Jade5233]

Personally, I hate that you have to kill either of them.  I like them both.  Every other character in the series you can easily save without being forced to choose at another's expense.

Ash is spunky and speaks her mind--loudly and without reservation.  Her prodding of Kaidan on the Citadel is funny, too.  I also really like that she has a belief system and isn't applogetic about it.  I find that refreshing in this medium.

I think that Kaidan may be one of the most poorly understood characters in the series.  Personally, he's my favorite.  Someone mentIoned layers.  I think that this is why he's often skipped over.  Chakwas says at the beginning that he's quiet and keeps to himself.  You have to look and interact with the character to peal back those layers--granted, that's more easily done as a femShep.  I find his maturity, his loyalty, and his gentle yet solid support of my femSheps endearing qualities.
Kaidan a strong character and doesn't need anyone to fix him or to do something for him.  He's there to help and support his commander.  He never really asks anything of Shepard for himself.  Contrast that with every single ME2 character.
As for fighting, I find him an extremely useful part of my squad.  He usually has the Collosus up in the air and overloaded before I can even que him to do it.  He's taken out bunkers of geth for me before (on Ferros) before I even could get down to the end of the hall!

But who should you choose?  That's up to you and your RP--what works best for your character story.  But I always choose to save Kaidan--even with my mShep that romances Liara.  He's the senior officer.  He's the one that's most qualified to arm that bomb, and in my way of thinking, you have to make sure that he has that chance--that the geth don't overtake him while he's going about it.  But I hate leaving Ash behind as well.

[Pacifien]

Some of the things I consider when it comes to the Virmire decision.

1. Who is with the bomb and who is on the AA Towers?
     1a. I'm likely to go after the person with the bomb because it's more important to my Shepard to make sure that part of the mission goes off smoothly.
     1b. On the other hand, my Shepard could put trust in Captain Kirrahe's words that very little will prevent the bomb from going off once it is set. Therefore, head for the AA Tower because I prefer the confrontation with Saren on the AA Tower. Much more dramatic when he lifts Shepard by the neck and dangles him over the edge.

Kaidan is the deciding factor on who goes where. He's a tech, so it makes sense that he is the one who sets up the bomb. However, I could roleplay that Ashley's not actually the one setting up the bomb, she's just protecting the unnamed techs who are setting it up instead. So back to Kaidan, it also makes sense to me that he would be the liason to the Salarians because he's an officer who very likely has experience with command and coordinating teams.

2. Who fits my playstyle more?
     I have to admit that Kaidan does, but I've seen how Ashley suits other players. A friend of mine used Ashley and Wrex as shields while he concentrated on being a sniper. With their Immunity, they are untouchable. But I much prefer to use tech/biotic abilities. I play Infiltrator, so with Garrus and Kaidan at my side, I am a Sabotage, Overload, Damping fool. Plus, Kaidan has Neural Shock which is by far my most favorite power in the game. Nothing gives me more pleasure than seeing Neural Shock take down a Krogan in mid-charge.

3. Who didn't kill Wrex?
     Okay, one time I didn't do Wrex's family armor quest nor did I have the charm/intimidate points to talk him down from our confrontation. Ashley shot him. My love for Wrex must be incredibly strong, because I admit that I left Ashley to die out of pure retaliation. I can be petty, I admit this.

So I guess it depends on what you care about more: roleplay versus gameplay. On roleplay, who makes more sense to save based on their location? On gameplay, which one do you use more?

[AntiChri5]

http://social.biowar...96/polls/10160/

[Quething]

Pacifien wrote...

Some of the things I consider when it comes to the Virmire decision.

1. Who is with the bomb and who is on the AA Towers?
     1a. I'm likely to go after the person with the bomb because it's more important to my Shepard to make sure that part of the mission goes off smoothly.
     1b. On the other hand, my Shepard could put trust in Captain Kirrahe's words that very little will prevent the bomb from going off once it is set. Therefore, head for the AA Tower because I prefer the confrontation with Saren on the AA Tower. Much more dramatic when he lifts Shepard by the neck and dangles him over the edge.

Kaidan is the deciding factor on who goes where. He's a tech, so it makes sense that he is the one who sets up the bomb. However, I could roleplay that Ashley's not actually the one setting up the bomb, she's just protecting the unnamed techs who are setting it up instead. So back to Kaidan, it also makes sense to me that he would be the liason to the Salarians because he's an officer who very likely has experience with command and coordinating teams.

This is pretty much how I do it, though my conclusions are a little different. Kaiden always goes with the bomb, because Ash says his tech skill will be needed and Kirrahe says that the reliability of the bomb will depend on who's arming it, and they're both quite right; likewise I know Ashley is a good squad leader (you could call this metagame-y, since it's based on wiki and promo info and not anything in-game, but it seems like something that would be in her files, which Shep has read), and I know nothing about Kaiden's leadership skills either in-game or out, so her with the Salarians is also going to be the better call.

From there, it's a question of "can one powerful biotic with crazy tech skills hold off a bunch of geth long enough to ensure an almost untamperable bomb will detonate by himself" versus "can one infantryman air-lift a dozen salarians by herself" (I know they show up on the Normandy even if you go to the bomb site, but that makes no damn sense, so I ignore it). Thus, my paragon and paragade rescue Ash (more lives, potential further intel on Saren), while my renegade rescues Kaiden (more valuable to the Alliance and the salarian lives don't even enter into it).

This works out really well, because my paragon is a vanguard Ash-romancer and rolls with Ash and Garrus for sniping/tech, my paragade is a sentinel and rolls with Ash and Liara for tanking/CC, and my renegade is an infiltrator and rolls with Kaiden and Wrex for tanking/biotics. But that's more a happy accident than intentional choice, the game's not hard enough that I'll ever prioritize "ideal party" anywhere near as much as "consistent RP."

Modifié par Quething, 29 août 2010 - 05:01 .

[Burningwolf]

I go back and forth...both annoy me to some extent or another...but Ash is a bit more tolerable.

But then I like either one over Liara...*shrugs*