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[Caralampio]

I feel real bad about killing some guys (and gals) in the game. I know they are just lines in a program or whatever, but they seem so nice... I'm tempted to waive the XP and droppings I can get from them and instead do what I feel is decent.

Flemeth, for instance. I know she's a witch and an abomination and all that, but she saved your life! Aside from being a little cynical and having her own agenda, she treated you real nice. And you will kill her?

The highwayman that receives you in Lothering. He's so funny, even when he's begging for his life.

The Crimson Oars. They're just having some fun. And they'll go away if you ask them to. Why kill them, only for the nobles' sport? 

That guy that's taking a message to the chantry about a blood mage. He seems real decent. And he will also go away if you ask him to, and drop his mission.
 
Ser Whatever in Denerim, who challenges you to a duel. Well perhaps a duel is something interesting to do, but I feel pity for him. He can also go away if you convince him (not sure if he appears later, I have always killed him up to now...)

[FiliusMartis]

Flemeth is trying to kill Morrigan to possess her body... if you believe Morrigan that is. Anyway, she isn't really dead. Morrigan pretty much says this.



The highwayman was robbing people blind and killing those who couldn't afford his toll. He's preying on people in the worst way during the worst sort of crisis in Thedas.



The guy taking the message to the Chantry is framing someone for blood magic, an accusation which will cost an innocent person his or her life.



Ser Landry will ambush you in Denerim with a group of men later, in most cases. He's not above butchering you and anyone with you, even if he has no evidence that those with you have done anything



The Crimson Oars are really the only ones not committing a heinous crime... they're not worth much xp.

[kingjezza]

For some reason I always feel guilty about killing the High Dragon, there she is minding her own buisness, having a nice nap on the mountain and I come along with my annoying horn pissing her off while she sleeps, no wonder she's moody.



I enjoy every second of taking those highway men down though and nearly everybody else, I sometimes when the mood takes me let some live, like the blood mage in the tower I let leave and normally loghain's guy in the Lothering Inn I like sending back to Loghain with a message that I'm coming for him.

[nhsk]

I don't think I ever actually got into combat with the Oars

Lothering Inn, they take a message to Loghain in the vain hope he will get paranoid and stay in Denerim.



The highwaymen in Lothering dies badly, first I demand 20 silver, then I take 100 silver and they're screwed. Besides his VA is crap "Yes I'm a criminal I admit it" sounds so lame considering that he is currently bleeding to death.



Other than that, perhaps the farmers in Lothering...

[rock_brm]

i feel kinda bad when killing witherfang, seems like it's the wrong thing to do, but i kill her most times just the same. ignacio also. he's cool as a cucumber and i like him, so i don't really want to kill him either-but i do many times as well.

Modifié par rock_brm, 12 août 2010 - 11:39 .

[Yrkoon]

Caralampio wrote...

Ser Whatever in Denerim, who challenges you to a duel. Well perhaps a duel is something interesting to do, but I feel pity for him. He can also go away if you convince him (not sure if he appears later, I have always killed him up to now...)

Ser Laundry, or whatever his silly name is.

No no no....  this  is the only one on the list that I usually take great pleasure in killing and feel good  after I do it.  I usually give him one chance to listen to reason....  but that ends up with him accusing me me of slander.  Oh well.       Sometimes a man who doesn't use his head ends up losing it.

Either way, you shouldn't feel sorry for him.  He considers it an "honor" to die fighting you, so I say  give him what he wants.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 août 2010 - 12:06 .

[MEBengal2008]

Caralampio wrote...

I feel real bad about killing some guys (and gals) in the game. I know they are just lines in a program or whatever, but they seem so nice... I'm tempted to waive the XP and droppings I can get from them and instead do what I feel is decent.

Flemeth, for instance. I know she's a witch and an abomination and all that, but she saved your life! Aside from being a little cynical and having her own agenda, she treated you real nice. And you will kill her?

The highwayman that receives you in Lothering. He's so funny, even when he's begging for his life.

The Crimson Oars. They're just having some fun. And they'll go away if you ask them to. Why kill them, only for the nobles' sport? 

That guy that's taking a message to the chantry about a blood mage. He seems real decent. And he will also go away if you ask him to, and drop his mission.
 
Ser Whatever in Denerim, who challenges you to a duel. Well perhaps a duel is something interesting to do, but I feel pity for him. He can also go away if you convince him (not sure if he appears later, I have always killed him up to now...)

Typically I agree with what you said.

However, when roleplaying I make sure I follow my character actions and not so much what I personally would do.
Right now I'm playing a City Elf that HATES ALL HUMANS. He kills ANY HUMAN he can. In fact, he could care less about what any of his human companions think. Quite interesting and different than my typical type of character, but fun playing a nasty character that isn't evil.

Modifié par MEBengal2008, 13 août 2010 - 12:25 .

[hsedai]

its easier to kill them with the sound off. As you know, Flemeth is voiced by Kate Mulgrew and I still blame her for what went wrong in Star Trek Voyager, Season 1



Agreed with the roleplaying aspect. I'm currently playing a Dalish Elf and he has little problem killing humans.

[Acero Azul]

 When I went up to Flemeth and said your daughter is going to have my baby she got angry so I had to kill her

[Elhanan]

MEBengal2008 wrote...

Typically I agree with what you said.

However, when roleplaying I make sure I follow my character actions and not so much what I personally would do.
Right now I'm playing a City Elf that HATES ALL HUMANS. He kills ANY HUMAN he can. In fact, he could care less about what any of his human companions think. Quite interesting and different than my typical type of character, but fun playing a nasty character that isn't evil.

Funny; the Archdemon says the same thing....



My point being that racism is evil, be it Elven, Dwarven, Darkspawn, or any of the RL examples that spring to mind.

As for the OP, the only one that comes to mind is when I do not choose Harrowmont as king, for most of the time I choose to do the right thing and do not take the Evil paths anyway.

[StrawberryViking]

Slaughter the Dalish.



When you go back to the Dalish camp with Witherfang and co. the way they berate you for betraying them just gives me a giant lump in my throat. And the way Zevran almost desperately pleads with you not to do it is what almost stopped me. But when the deed was done and I returned to party camp, and Zevran was almost furious (even more so because my character was Dalish), I immediately reloaded and broke the curse via both Withrfang and Zathrian.

[Zy-El]

kingjezza wrote...
I enjoy every second of taking those highway men down though and nearly everybody else, I sometimes when the mood takes me let some live, like the blood mage in the tower I let leave and normally loghain's guy in the Lothering Inn I like sending back to Loghain with a message that I'm coming for him.

As a mage, I like the dialogue option of "(Persuade) Do you really want to fight a mage?"  The dumb bandit freaks out and runs away!  I usually kill the bandits since that's what the authorities (Templars) would have done anyways. 

And Ser "Deathwish" . . . I usually mop him up in the back alley one-on-one.  Maybe next time, I'll try to avoid the fight and let him try and ambush my party - yeah, go do that!

[Ameanor]

You know.. with the right persuasion skills you don't have to kill any of the above..

[kingjezza]

Yeah but that's boring.



It's why like I said the only guilt I feel is weirdly killing the High Dragon, she's basically the only one mentioned who leaves you alone and doesn't give you a reason to kill her.



Even the bears attack you when in reality I would have no urge to kill them if they didn't.

[maxernst]

Yes. Quite a few of them, actually. The hungry refugees who attack you for the reward, that poor deluded guy in Denerim who is practically the only person in the game who believes Loghain's lie about the wardens, the people in Haven, the carta (I felt like I was killing half of Dust Town--I would have preferred to kill all the nobles instead), Howe's guards who are probably mostly just working stiffs who happened to get hired by a monster...



That's partly why I find it odd that peoplecan't stand to kill Loghain when you're already responsible for so many senseless deaths.

[Yrkoon]

I've got one, from Awakening...

The First  (the darkspawn that the mother sends to the blackmarsh.)

He gets betrayed by the Mother; ends up trapped in the fade along with  you, then  he meets the Baroness, who  promises him  a release  if he  kills your whole party.  So he valiantly  tries-- and gets brutilized as a result, then begs the Baroness to send him back now....  But She kills him instead....

Talk about getting used to death  by  everyone.  Poor guy.  This is what he gets for trying to elevate himself  above the mindless, speechless nature of his kin.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 13 août 2010 - 09:33 .

[Eudaemonium]

I've always been rather fond of the First. He gets the most screentime of the Disciples.

I usually avoid killing people unnecessarily. My current CE spared the bandits at first until she saw the disposssessed elven family and went back and slaughtered them. But in general, I usually try to persuade people to stand down, even fi it fails.

One that bugs me though is the Carta. I really wish you could've struck a deal with them instead. Maybe persuaded Jarvia to go into hiding temporarily. Heck, she should've been made queen.

[Bahlgan]

In Origins, I feel sorry for Isolde, despite her willing to sacrifice her life to save her son. Granted I honor her for the belief of protecting her child, though even still she died brutally in the ritual performed by Jowan. I also feel sorry for the knights of Redcliffe and the "real" Weylon, for they did not expect to meet their ends at the hands of vile impostors. Last but not least I feel sorry for Morrigan, because she was never given a real chance, other than by my Warden, to experiment with what it means to be human, in the touchy-feely sense.



In Awakening, I feel sorry for Anders, and I feel sorry, believe it or not, for the Mother. Certainly I intend on killing her, as always, but I cannot help but to feel as to how much she despises her fate given by the damned Architect.

[kingjezza]

Hah the first I agree with, he reminds me of reptile from Masters of the Universe (the film) I always felt bad when Skeletor vaporizes him in that film, reminds me of what happens to the First in Awakening.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

The farmers in Lothering.  They're trying to fulfil a legtimate contract so they can afford to buy food for their families, so not doing anything wrong...just being desperate. I regret killing them and hate that you can't argue with them, pay them off, or even run away from the combat.

The villagers in Haven, especially because there were kids. Unfortunately DA doesn't allow for non-lethal damage (knocking people out rather than killing them). At least there was a side-exit out of the village so you *can* avoid killing every living soul, but a bloodbath is unavoidable.

Ser Landry I regret killing because he was championing an incorrect concept, but can't say I feel particularly sad about him. He died on his feet and with honour.

Flemeth is tricky. Morrigan *claims* she won't truly be killed, but it's hard to trust her. It's safer to say I doubt the wisdom of killing Flemeth. If I found out Morrigan had been lying about the whole taking-over-the-body thing, then I'd definitely regret it. My main PC clings to the belief that her reasons for killing Flemeth were just, but has her doubts.

(might think of others later..)

[David Falkayn]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

The farmers in Lothering.  They're trying to fulfil a legtimate contract so they can afford to buy food for their families, so not doing anything wrong...just being desperate. I regret killing them and hate that you can't argue with them, pay them off, or even run away from the combat.

I don't know.  I started off more sorry for them because their attacking someone as capable and dangerous as my Warden and his/her party shows just how desperate they were, but have since become incredibly angry at them because of their foolishness and stupidity which ends up with them making things even worse for their wives and kids.  For example, one of my Wardens is a Primalist mage who, by the time she reached Lothering, had already maxed out the Fire chain and she has absolutely no problems casting Inferno or lobbing Fireballs around with abandon.  Those villagers and their wives had to be able to see the columns of fire in the distance and hear the explosions so they knew they were in way over their heads.  I could imagine their wives, children, and mothers begging them not to do this fool stunt, yet they go ahead and do it anyway and as a result, their dependents have no one to take care of them and will have to do whatever they can to survive--including selling their own bodies on the streets of Denerim--that is assuming the darkspawn or bandits don't get them first.

Ser Landry I regret killing because he was championing an incorrect concept, but can't say I feel particularly sad about him. He died on his feet and with honour.

Ser Landry is another fool, although I usually settle for just talking him down.  However, I am grateful to him because when I passed the difficult Intimidate check on him, I got my Menacing accomplishment.

Flemeth is tricky. Morrigan *claims* she won't truly be killed, but it's hard to trust her. It's safer to say I doubt the wisdom of killing Flemeth. If I found out Morrigan had been lying about the whole taking-over-the-body thing, then I'd definitely regret it. My main PC clings to the belief that her reasons for killing Flemeth were just, but has her doubts.

(might think of others later..)

Flemeth can more than take care of herself, so I don't have any qualms about her. 

Modifié par David Falkayn, 14 août 2010 - 12:31 .

[chefbobby203]

So you regret killing people that either threaten you or just straight up attack you? Don't be such creampuffs!

[ashwind]

Flemeth saved the main character from the Tower, otherwise our game would have ended there! Just because Morrigan *claims* something is no reason to turn against she who saved your life right? That and.. Morrigan is probably the character that annoys me most in origins, between her and Loghain, I would pick Loghain in a heartbeat. 

Haven said all that I kill Flemeth all the time because she is powerful, I like to see the finishing moves and experience points XD ... too bad she didnt offer 100 gold coins, if she does, she will live for sure XD

Role-playing aspect wise, I am a human ex-noble whose entire family died, so I have the urge to kill everything that crosses me XD

Modifié par ashwind, 14 août 2010 - 05:32 .