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[Iakus]

Finally got through them all. Very good points all around. I especially liked the analysis of Jack. And the "character merging" idea is truly intriguing.



Bioware should seriously look at these videos (the character and plot analyses) and keep them in mind while plotting out the story for ME 3. Heck they should be required viewing for the developers.

[ControlFreak12]

I agree with a lot of what you say, but does it really matter? The game's out already. It's not like they're going to re-make the game and re-release it to fix its problems. Now, what you say about them being able to fill in some of the holes with DLC and in ME3 is relevant, but the rest of it just seems pointless to me. Just play the game, and enjoy it for all its faults. It's the game Bioware set out to make, after all.

[TelexFerra]

Don't listen to the haters smudboy. I stayed up late watching all 16 parts and I thought it was a fair and good analysis.

[Thesuperdevil]

I enjoyed your analyses, but unfortunately they won't be worth much in the long run if they are not considered by the writers and developers alike for ME3.

Also: heretic is pronounced "HAIR-uh-tic", not "hur-ET-ic". Unless this is some sort of dialect I've never heard of.

Modifié par Thesuperdevil, 13 août 2010 - 09:04 .

[armass]

Wow this guy has issues.

[tonnactus]

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Modifié par tonnactus, 13 août 2010 - 09:06 .

[tonnactus]

bjdbwea wrote...



I think one character would deserve an own video: Shepard.

The only thing needed to describe shepardt in Mass Effect 2 is one picture:

Modifié par tonnactus, 13 août 2010 - 09:13 .

[Inthatplace]

I tried to listen, but that voice said no.

[ADLegend21]

I couldn't watch one part the entire way, it was pure nitpicking, hte valid points you did have were destroyed by nitpicking as their backing. Again, why are you on ht eME2 boreds if all you di is complain about ME2?

[Fiery Phoenix]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I couldn't watch one part the entire way, it was pure nitpicking, hte valid points you did have were destroyed by nitpicking as their backing. Again, why are you on ht eME2 boreds if all you di is complain about ME2?

I wouldn't call what Smud is doing complaining -- at least not completely. It's more like constructive criticism as I said earlier (which is a good thing), though I agree sometimes it feels as though he's just nitpicking.

[David Knight]

I agree with flip. It's a video game, and as such the characters and plot must be video gameable... that's not a word... material. This isn't a grand opera or television series. This is a video game. You know. Where you shoot things. Usually. In ME, we get some character interaction. That's nice change of pace.

And people should be more grateful. Most people are, in fact. Remember that people who want to complain do so way more than people who like what they get. Just because people complain on these forums doesn't mean the majority dislikes ME2. I'm pretty sure it's the opposite.

In any case, the ME2 cast is far greater than many characters in any form of entertainment. No, they're not perfect, but analyzing them as though they are characters in a Shakespeare play is ludicrous. Sorry, smudboy, but I feel like you're just nitpicking. Suspension of disbelief is a good skill you try to facilitate. ME wouldn't be possible without magic pixie dust called eezo, but we conveniently ignore that so we can travel faster than light and lift crates with our minds. Similarly, try to ignore the fact that Kasumi has no business going on a suicide mission and try to enjoy her character... which you may not, but you know what I mean.

Anyway, that's all I have to say about that. Momma always said ME2 was like a box o' chocolates... you never know whatcha gonna get.

[Anezay]

Throw_this_away wrote...


Criticism does little to improve a game.  Suggestions for improvment do help

 

So, are you stupid, or just blind?
Criticism shows what you're doing wrong. You don't need to change what you're doing right, so it helps to see what you're doing wrong. In case you haven't noticed, smudboy DOES give suggestions for improvement. Although I do agree that the dude sounds like he needs to drink a glass of water or something.

[cihimi]

If you're so intent in your perceived "improvements", do yourself a favor and just create your own game. Bioware can't please everybody, especially those with deep-rooted prejudices and bias.

[Pacifien]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...
I wouldn't call what Smud is doing complaining -- at least not completely. It's more like constructive criticism as I said earlier (which is a good thing), though I agree sometimes it feels as though he's just nitpicking.

I call it nitpicking at this point. Constructive Criticism has its root in the dissection of the product, but it's only the first step to the overall criticism. When you find the cracks, you then trace them back to the initial failing. You don't focus on the cracks, those are just a symptom of the true problem. You focus on the problem itself, describing why it is a problem and where it can be improved or solved. In a constructive (read: positive) manner.

Concentrating on every little crack is nitpicking. Inability to follow up critique with constructive solutions is complaining.

[Some Geth]

But what I want to know is why rip off Red Letter Media?

[KainrycKarr]

There's criticism, and then there's nitpicking and complaining and overanalyzing everything to the point of whocaresville. ME2 is by no means perfect, but this is simply...unnecessary.

[glacier1701]

Got the time to go through all the vids and it definetly made me look at some things going on that I had accepted differently. The one thing that you might have mentioned is that Casey himself has stated that the whole idea of ME2 was 'character' driven and yet, for the most part, failed to drive the series anywhere. That is perhaps the most important part of the analysis in that it failed to do what ME2 was supposed to do. I just wonder if people have caught the fact that you do seem to have a knowledge of a lot of what the writers snuck in and can see where they messed up. I must confess that I haven't read Thomas Hobbs and so on so while I have heard of them I didnt see how that was messed up within the game.

 Anyways nice work.

[HBC Dresden]

iakus wrote...

So much hate for Smudboy.

But any disagreement on anything in particular in the videos? I'm still working through them, but a whole lot of it makes sense. A few nitpicky bits I question, but so fat so good.

Problem is, as much as he nitpicks the game, I nitpick his opinions. Some are ok, others are totally wrong (from my POV), etc.

But in all honesty, I can appreciate his dedication, his goal, his recognition of ME's flaws, and his love of Mass Effect (who else would spend so much time making videos about their grievances?). I may disagree with many of them and not with others, but it's a free country. However, my reasonable attitude takes a hit once he makes snide jokes, tries to act all clever and almighty with his placement of music or pictures, or when he crams a lot of terminology in a rant about the structure behind something. This is when some Mass Effect fans go on the defensive (or what some may call being an "apologist"). But that's just me.

Modifié par HBC Dresden, 14 août 2010 - 01:20 .

[Il Divo]

glacier1701 wrote...

 I must confess that I haven't read Thomas Hobbs and so on so while I have heard of them I didnt see how that was messed up within the game.
 

The quote Thane mentions is a reference to the Leviathan. He's commenting on how his homeworld has simulated a state of nature, much like the one which Hobbes describes.

[ADLegend21]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I couldn't watch one part the entire way, it was pure nitpicking, hte valid points you did have were destroyed by nitpicking as their backing. Again, why are you on ht eME2 boreds if all you di is complain about ME2?

I wouldn't call what Smud is doing complaining -- at least not completely. It's more like constructive criticism as I said earlier (which is a good thing), though I agree sometimes it feels as though he's just nitpicking.

true, but there's a fine line between contructive and complaining, and he criss crosses during. Some points were valid, but he missed things like why a renegade player would kill samara after she;s sworn an oath, not mentioning tht if you ahve a high renegade score she'lll tell you "I thought your first meeting would end in violence" and "once my oath to you is over I will have no choice but to kill you" and that samara's mission is to help Samara kill her, not have Shepard dra her out and then kill her. just the little things.

[Iakus]

HBC Dresden wrote...

iakus wrote...

So much hate for Smudboy.

But any disagreement on anything in particular in the videos? I'm still working through them, but a whole lot of it makes sense. A few nitpicky bits I question, but so fat so good.

Problem is, as much as he nitpicks the game, I nitpick his opinions. Some are ok, others are totally wrong (from my POV), etc.

But in all honesty, I can appreciate his dedication, his goal, his recognition of ME's flaws, and his love of Mass Effect (who else would spend so much time making videos about their grievances?). I may disagree with many of them and not with others, but it's a free country. However, my reasonable attitude takes a hit once he makes snide jokes, tries to act all clever and almighty with his placement of music or pictures, or when he crams a lot of terminology in a rant about the structure behind something. This is when some Mass Effect fans go on the defensive (or what some may call being an "apologist"). But that's just me.

Hey I admt the RLM  thing didn't do it for me, and there is some nitpicking.  I believe he even admits some of it is nitpicking.  But a lot of what he says makes sense.  These videos really express the problems that I have with the game.  Well, about 90% of the problems anyway.  Plus Smudboy talks about what's good about the characters as well as the bad.  It wasn't all criticizing the game. 

Yet a lot of the complaints I see here about the videos are about everything but the analysis.  Anyone defending Jack's leather harness?  Or how eagerly Samara joined up with Shepard?  How about challenging the analysis of Jacob's loyalty mission?  Anyone wanna discuss the idea of merging characters?

BTW, interesting name, given the real Dresden couldn't possibly get online to post

[Pacifien]

iakus wrote...
Yet a lot of the complaints I see here about the videos are about everything but the analysis.  Anyone defending Jack's leather harness?  Or how eagerly Samara joined up with Shepard?  How about challenging the analysis of Jacob's loyalty mission?  Anyone wanna discuss the idea of merging characters?

Go to the character threads, people discuss that sort of all the time. Good points and bad. I doubt you'll find any hardcore Jack fan defending the belt bra. And Jacob fans talk about what would make for a better loyalty mission.

Honestly, what's brought up in the analysis I could take it or leave it. It's the nature of the analysis itself which fails. Why? Because it's nitpicking. The more you nitpick, the more your arguments fail.

[Nightwriter]

Hmm. Just did the Jacob one.

The vid spends way too much time going into an elaborate explanation of all the implausibilities of Jacob's mission. Such close realistic surgery of fiction is impractical and at times unreasonable.

Also the vid says "nobody's supposed to get Jack", but I found her one of the easiest characters to get. Agreed with everything else though.

[Soverign 666]

WHy do people say smudboy is nitpicking at the characters when at the begining he says ME2 has some of the best characters in video games?