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[Nightwriter]

I'm having a hard time finding 5 of 16.

[Dave of Canada]

Soverign 666 wrote...

WHy do people say smudboy is nitpicking at the characters when at the begining he says ME2 has some of the best characters in video games?

You can nitpick and still approve, they aren't mutually exclusive.

[Dave of Canada]

Nightwriter wrote...

I'm having a hard time finding 5 of 16.

Don't think it exists, I just looked through the uploads.

[Nightwriter]

I do not like this. Reality should adhere to properly ascending numbers. 5 comes after 4! 6 comes after 5!

[Dave of Canada]

Nightwriter wrote...

I do not like this. Reality should adhere to properly ascending numbers. 5 comes after 4! 6 comes after 5!

Maybe five was obliterated from the numbers and we're the only ones capable of remembering it?

[Nightwriter]

I can hear the Twilight Zone theme playing.

[Dave of Canada]

Nightwriter wrote...

I can hear the Twilight Zone theme playing.

Quick, think of a plot twist for the end of the episode!

[PrinceLionheart]

Skimmed through a couple of the vids (Can't sit through all 16 in one sitting sorry), but I will say there is some good stuff. Like your plot analysis, I don't agree with everything, probably because I actually did like Jacob's loyalty mission, but yeah.

[fantasypisces]

I actually liked them, because I agreed on some points.
You basically walk up to someone, say "hey I need you on my ship to fight people". You do an hour long mission, and they join you. Hoorah. They do literally just drop everything, it's rather silly at times.
Kasumi: Get me this and I'll go on a suicide mission. Erm, ok.
Zaeed: Yay money.
Mordin: His isn't bad, he wants vengeance against the collectors for engineering a plague.
Garrus: It's garrus, your like best mate, this along with Mordin is excused.
Grunt: "I see you command respect, hmmpph, alright, I will fight your enemies" Really? I've known you for two minutes.
Jacob and Miranda are obviously excused, they work for cerberus.
Jack: I hate cerberus, I hate people, you sound like a Pus**, but thanks for letting me look at these files, I'll fight for you (when in reality I want her off my ship, lol).

Anyway it goes on.

I also despise (HATE HATE HATE) the forced romances. With Jack there are only two outcomes, sleep with her in a Paragon romance, or "F*** OFF!" Tali and Jacob were also way to forced, it was either do a romance, or be mean to them, or don't talk to them at all. Garrus, Thane, and Miranda were not bad, as there were nice things you could say that would not continue the romance. But I much preferred DA style, where you had the say the right thing at the right time after many, many, many long conversations. You would know exactly what you were getting into, and what to avoid if you didn't want a romance.
But! I don't agree with most of what the OP has to say, just the fact that your companions join you almost instantly and a lot of times it makes no sense.

Modifié par fantasypisces, 14 août 2010 - 06:06 .

[KainrycKarr]

Gave the videos a second watch, and i'll say this, foot firmly in mouth



1. I agree...with some of it. Miranda's video, and the merging idea, both made a lot of sense, and would have made the character a lot more dynamic and interesting to me than her current incarnation. Which is, essentially, eyecandy, with a mildly interesting backstory.



2. I disagree a little bit with Grunt. Sure, it's very straightforward, but you are still going into a mission needing serious firepower. What's better than a fresh Krogan?



3. I agree that in all likelihood the only squaddies that might reprise their roles as squadmates in ME3, are the LI's.



4. I feel like, even though many of your points of your valid, that you are simply asking too much in same cases. It's a sci-fi story, and you just can't make something like Mass Effect completely air-tight and plothole free.



5. As much as I enjoy Kasumi....i 100% agree with you. She's a thief. What the hell DID we need a thief for? It was a sweet story, and she's a cool and useful character, but she is, point blank, anime-fan bait, and who's only purpose is to serve the Rule of Cool.

[Annie_Dear]

cihimi wrote...

If you're so intent in your perceived "improvements", do yourself a favor and just create your own game. Bioware can't please everybody, especially those with deep-rooted prejudices and bias.

You know, I was just going to write the same thing.

[Shadow_broker]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Gave the videos a second watch, and i'll say this, foot firmly in mouth

1. I agree...with some of it. Miranda's video, and the merging idea, both made a lot of sense, and would have made the character a lot more dynamic and interesting to me than her current incarnation. Which is, essentially, eyecandy, with a mildly interesting backstory.

2. I disagree a little bit with Grunt. Sure, it's very straightforward, but you are still going into a mission needing serious firepower. What's better than a fresh Krogan?

3. I agree that in all likelihood the only squaddies that might reprise their roles as squadmates in ME3, are the LI's.

4. I feel like, even though many of your points of your valid, that you are simply asking too much in same cases. It's a sci-fi story, and you just can't make something like Mass Effect completely air-tight and plothole free.

5. As much as I enjoy Kasumi....i 100% agree with you. She's a thief. What the hell DID we need a thief for? It was a sweet story, and she's a cool and useful character, but she is, point blank, anime-fan bait, and who's only purpose is to serve the Rule of Cool.

Do you have to hate on miranda on everyone of your post? I get it you don't like her and think everyone should romance tali

1.I don't see how you can say miranda is not dynaminc. she also had one of the more memorable backstories IMO. tali on the otherhand is just a typical quarian just with good with tech skills, all she ever talks about is her race and her suit, I don't know her personality watsoever(other than shepard fan girl) just how crappy quarians lives are

2.I agree

3.Theres no indication to who's coming back watsoever other than speculation

4. It's not sci fi if fans can't get angry about all the plotholes

5. Kasumi had great tech expertise She's as needed as tali or legion (although i hated her look due to my hate of anime)

[Some Geth]

As an anime fan here I don't see any anime in Kasumi looks or the way she is.

[Dave of Canada]

Some Geth wrote...

As an anime fan here I don't see any anime in Kasumi looks or the way she is.

I didn't watch the video but I found the Kasumi leap to the Helicopter to be a little ridiculous.

[Some Geth]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

As an anime fan here I don't see any anime in Kasumi looks or the way she is.

I didn't watch the video but I found the Kasumi leap to the Helicopter to be a little ridiculous.

Ok one anime like jump <_<.

[KingDan97]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

As an anime fan here I don't see any anime in Kasumi looks or the way she is.

I didn't watch the video but I found the Kasumi leap to the Helicopter to be a little ridiculous.

That so wasn't anime, that was clearly John Woo all the way. They even had the doves he's oh so famous for.

[KainrycKarr]

Shadow_broker wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Gave the videos a second watch, and i'll say this, foot firmly in mouth

1. I agree...with some of it. Miranda's video, and the merging idea, both made a lot of sense, and would have made the character a lot more dynamic and interesting to me than her current incarnation. Which is, essentially, eyecandy, with a mildly interesting backstory.

2. I disagree a little bit with Grunt. Sure, it's very straightforward, but you are still going into a mission needing serious firepower. What's better than a fresh Krogan?

3. I agree that in all likelihood the only squaddies that might reprise their roles as squadmates in ME3, are the LI's.

4. I feel like, even though many of your points of your valid, that you are simply asking too much in same cases. It's a sci-fi story, and you just can't make something like Mass Effect completely air-tight and plothole free.

5. As much as I enjoy Kasumi....i 100% agree with you. She's a thief. What the hell DID we need a thief for? It was a sweet story, and she's a cool and useful character, but she is, point blank, anime-fan bait, and who's only purpose is to serve the Rule of Cool.

Do you have to hate on miranda on everyone of your post? I get it you don't like her and think everyone should romance tali

1.I don't see how you can say miranda is not dynaminc. she also had one of the more memorable backstories IMO. tali on the otherhand is just a typical quarian just with good with tech skills, all she ever talks about is her race and her suit, I don't know her personality watsoever(other than shepard fan girl) just how crappy quarians lives are

2.I agree

3.Theres no indication to who's coming back watsoever other than speculation

4. It's not sci fi if fans can't get angry about all the plotholes

5. Kasumi had great tech expertise She's as needed as tali or legion (although i hated her look due to my hate of anime)

Here's how I view Miranda; she is, like most bondgirls, the attractive, competent, intelligent henchmen of your enemy, or potential enemy. And like a bondgirl, in spite of her ridiculously attractive looks and genetic advantages, has self-esteem issues just a-waitin' for Shepard to come fix. It's not a bad archetype - it's just an overly used one imo.

I didn't say anything about Tali. all I said was I agree with him, and his idea would have made Miranda more interesting to me personally.
Maybe you find Miranda's backstory interesting - I, personally, didn't. Just like while I personally found Tali's backstory and personality far more interesting, you didn't.

This is my opinion. Not fact. And I don't mean to imply it as such, just as you opinion regarding Tali is opinion.
In fact, you're the only one bashing.

And...it IS sci fi. and I'm defending the plotholes - there is no story that DOESN'T have plotholes, and while ME2 certainly has it's share, i feel like it is being overly criticized for them to the point of nitpicking.

And Kasumi? gameplay wise, sure. but storywise, she was a thief. She wasn't advertised as being particularly useful as a combatant or tech expert, just a thief. That makes no sense in context of the suicide mission.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 14 août 2010 - 08:24 .

[wickedwizzard01]

 i just am wondering : Who the F*** forced Smutboy to  play  ME needs to be shot on sight:devil:
because he clearly Hates ME 
and maybe  these posts, vids or whatnot will finally stop because maaaaan  this guy is boring 
maybe Smut should take up gardening or something and make a video of that, it could even be funny:P

[bjdbwea]

How about presenting some arguments instead of attacking the messenger?

[Il Divo]

KainrycKarr wrote...

And Kasumi? gameplay wise, sure. but storywise, she was a thief. She wasn't advertised as being particularly useful as a combatant or tech expert, just a thief. That makes no sense in context of the suicide mission.

If you've ever played traditional dnd, you would understand the role of the Thief which goes by another name, 'the specialist'. I think you are confusing a profession with the skills used in executing that profession. Stealing something (which a thief does) is absolutely useless in stopping the Collectors. All the skills a thief might employ (and which Kasumi possesses in abundance) are not. Between her stealth, security, and computer skills, she could have any number of uses against the Collectors.

[glacier1701]

 After some thought I think I will add that I disagree with most people reacting against why Kasumi should be brought along. While she is a thief she is basically a HACKER. That is she can get through most security systems (computer or otherwise) that while EDI can do some of she cannot get at the ones that need a physical presence which Kasumi can. Going back to the original arguements we had over the fact that we do not know what we might find when we go to try the Omega-4 relay it is possible that we may need to get through some sort of security system which in fact we do but through the mechanism of an IFF system rather than a forced hack with EDI/Kasumi. And again if, once through the Relay, we faced a satelite surveillance system we had to break into, then the combination of EDI/Kasumi should have proved an unbeatable combination. Its just so bad that since Kasumi was DLC and released afterward that much of this was not gone into. It certainly would have added MUCH sense to the game was that sorely lacking in most of its parts.

Modifié par glacier1701, 14 août 2010 - 01:05 .

[Grand Rider]

I watched all sixteen clips and thought that Smudboy presented his points in an eloquent and entertaining fashion overall (kudos for using Yoko Kanno tunes in the background). There were some points that I admit that I've willingly ignored for the sake of enjoying the game (Kaidan/Ashley's plight on Horizon for example) and I appreciate Smudboy's efforts to raise other issues that I had previously missed.

Yet regardless of the calibre of ME2's plot and characters I still found it a very enjoyable experience and still play it to this day. I thank Smudboy for going to such lengths to present his opinions; I believe that such dedication could only come from someone who respects the series.

Modifié par Grand Rider, 14 août 2010 - 02:19 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Okay I've watched them. I liked the idea of merging characters like Miranda and Jack. It would've led to far better focus instead of having to divide time between 12 characters. The Jacob vid spent a little too much time analyzing all the holes in the plot, but of course with Jacob there probably wasn't too much to talk about to begin with.



Personally, I think it makes sense why someone like Zaeed or Samara would fail as a leader. Majority of Zaeed's stories end with someone dying. It's not too much of a stretch that, big surprise, someone would end up dying under Zaeed's command. In Samara's case, majority of her time as a Justicar alone. That makes for great battle experience but, paraphrasing Miranda now, not everyone has the spark for leadership.

[HBC Dresden]

iakus wrote...

HBC Dresden wrote...

iakus wrote...

So much hate for Smudboy.

But any disagreement on anything in particular in the videos? I'm still working through them, but a whole lot of it makes sense. A few nitpicky bits I question, but so fat so good.

Problem is, as much as he nitpicks the game, I nitpick his opinions. Some are ok, others are totally wrong (from my POV), etc.

But in all honesty, I can appreciate his dedication, his goal, his recognition of ME's flaws, and his love of Mass Effect (who else would spend so much time making videos about their grievances?). I may disagree with many of them and not with others, but it's a free country. However, my reasonable attitude takes a hit once he makes snide jokes, tries to act all clever and almighty with his placement of music or pictures, or when he crams a lot of terminology in a rant about the structure behind something. This is when some Mass Effect fans go on the defensive (or what some may call being an "apologist"). But that's just me.

Hey I admt the RLM  thing didn't do it for me, and there is some nitpicking.  I believe he even admits some of it is nitpicking.  But a lot of what he says makes sense.  These videos really express the problems that I have with the game.  Well, about 90% of the problems anyway.  Plus Smudboy talks about what's good about the characters as well as the bad.  It wasn't all criticizing the game. 

Yet a lot of the complaints I see here about the videos are about everything but the analysis.  Anyone defending Jack's leather harness?  Or how eagerly Samara joined up with Shepard?  How about challenging the analysis of Jacob's loyalty mission?  Anyone wanna discuss the idea of merging characters?

BTW, interesting name, given the real Dresden couldn't possibly get online to post

Fair points. He even began the videos saying how Bioware has made some of the best characters in video game history. I think he is getting better at his vids too, even if some of our forum members will always view him as the nitpicker.
haha, you read the books too? :OAwesome!

[MadInfiltrator]

I agree with about 5% of that, but I can't say enough about how good you are looking at all sides of the game, even if a lot of it was nitpicking.

I only watched a few though, and honestly, that music is so ****ing bad.

Modifié par MadInfiltrator, 15 août 2010 - 02:47 .