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[cactusmaac1]

I liked Sten. There's absolutely no BS with him. If you have a high enough approval and talk to him in the epilogue sequence, you feel quite pleased at what he says to you.

[wowpwnslol]

I hate sten. In fact I want Bio to release a DLC where you can go to Qunari lands with your level 30+ character and obliterate everything you see.

[Mlai00]

Leliana surprised me much more. During my HN playthrough, I started off thinking that she's the generic "repentant rogue turned nun" archetype. But...



*MILD LELIANA CHARACTER ANALYSIS SPOILERS BELOW*









The more my HN got to know her, the less repentant she seemed. She seems to want to change, but I don't think she even knows what was wrong with her lifestyle in the first place. She rationalizes everything she did/does, and doesn't even realize that maybe some of those things need remorse, not rationalization. Zev is also unrepentant; but at least he doesn't try to pass himself off as a "lawful good" person.

No wonder I hear she can be hardened into a cold-blooded spy again; she never really left it. Her Chant-worship was a thin veil which helped her keep her own self at bay, but it never changed her like a religious epiphany is supposed to do.

[Gill Kaiser]

Bigdoser wrote...

yeah but he disproves of EVERYTHING what am i meant to do? should i pick grey or middle ground answers when he is with me?

I think that's the opposite of what you should do. Sten respects authority. If you make decisions without faffing around or debating too much, he usually approves. If he interjects and you shoot him down by saying "I've made my decision" or similar, he likes it. He's a soldier and likes you behaving as his commanding officer.

[Behindyounow]

He has a pragmatic tone I appreciated. Theres reasons why he disapproves, and if you tell him what to do he does it.



Whereas Morrigan was more " HAI LETS BURN KITTENS FOR FUN LOL."



Handing her into the templars was hilarious.

[Koralis]

mindspat wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

Ugh the only time i gained approval when i said with my chick character i am not here to impress you and then his approval went up by 6 and i was like O.o. Can someone help me out i want him in my party but man its the disproval lol

No kidding, I replied to him with what I thought would be an insult and he was impressed!!  

"You think you can do better?"
"yes."
+4 Aproval

It seems he's the kind of character that likes to be ridden and challenged.  i've not used him much but will try playing with him more in another playthrough.  so far I'm using Shale Alistar and a random melee; main is Mage/healer/AW.

Sten approves of strength.  Wishy-washy answers, and trying to explain your decisions, annoy him... these are not qualities in a worthy leader.

[Koralis]

tls5669 wrote...

His con is PATHETIC! A two handed warrior needs at least decent con to survive in DA:O, that's why i use Oghren as my 2 handed warrior. Sten is a heal sponge.

Dex beats the heck out of Con.   That's why I increased Sten's Dex as I levelled him, and he survives ok.


Remember, jsut because the game picks certain stats when you get someone doesn't mean that you have to continue with the same strategy.

[CerebusAlteri]

yea but a 7 foot tall giant warrior with muscles like a steroid junky out to have more con by default ;P.



kill conner he really likes that and so does morrigan. win win.

[wagwah]

cookies

[Carmen_Willow]

(spoiler, sort of )Sten has a personal quest that if you fullfill can push his approval way up. But you have to give him enough SPOILER gifts to get him to say that "you aren't as callow as I thought" or something like that. Then you can ask him about why he was in the cage again and he will tell you. That start's his personal quest. Forgive me everyone if you already knew this but I didn't see it mentioned. ANOTHER SPOILER COMING HERE (Sten doesn't like Haven. I mean he really doesn't like Haven.) But once you get his approval up, he's pretty cool. And he's a good second bat in as tank in a tough fight. He goes down if you aren't careful, but he also does a lot of damage before dropping.



Sten has some Spartan aspects to his culture, along with the duty is the only path to pleasure thing.

[Gill Kaiser]

I never thought of raising Dex for Sten instead of Con... that's interesting. I guess it depends upon just how effective Dex is at raising the Protection stat.

As an aside, Sten looks amazing in the Legion of the Dead armour set, sans mask. It suits him far more than it suits Oghren.

[Carrok7]

Sounds like it's very hard to get Sten's approval rating to the highest amount in the game.

[Gill Kaiser]

Au contraire, it's easy. Just act like a commanding officer.

[Efesell]

Sten ever gives you any lip you just order him to fall in line and he's all buddy buddy with you. As far as gaining approval goes.. he's probably the easiest one to do so, and you don't even need gifts so you can save those for damage control.

[Radahldo]

Sten also approves when you drop a subject he's reticent to talk about, atleast when you intially meet him.

[max_ai]

Carrok7 wrote...

Sounds like it's very hard to get Sten's approval rating to the highest amount in the game.

You can put Sten at +100 long before you even complete his quest with the sword.
Just make sure that you take him to Denerim and walk with him near a group of playing children, he'll make a comment on that. Next you can speak "about something he mentioned before" and this will evolve into a series of dialogues through which you can gain much approval points.
He also has some other dialogues, for instance taking Zevran with him might trigger another one, when Zevran will start to question Sten for his real name.

Modifié par max_ai, 27 mars 2010 - 11:29 .

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Sten is really a big softie. Leliana saw him playing with a kitten. Also he loves cookies.

[HaloKT]

nickharvey86 wrote...

He approves of everything Morrigan does not it seems. I have the both of them in my group and I can only seem to please one or the other. Usually Sten approves, but I appease Morrigan with giving her gifts, because women are shallow and will forget if you give them shiny things:p

I've made the mistake of taking Sten along to the Circle and thereby effectively killed off the chance that I might have a closer relationship to him on that playthrough. A -5 hit on the desire demon encounter (because I killed the demon) and another -5 during the conversation with Cullen (where I decided not to kill the mages). That's a -10 and now he doesn't talk to me in camp anymore... and unlike Morrigan who can be showered in gifts, Sten doesn't really have a lot of those floating around 

but from what I'Ve gathered, Sten very much approves of giving other people the strength or the ability to take their lives into their own hands. Whether that is giving them the decision on how to deal with a situation or giving them gold, so the can do what they need to do, he'll approve. He seems to be all about personal choice and deciding your own fate instead of having others decide it for you. 

She seems to want to change, but I don't think she even knows what was wrong with her lifestyle in the first place. She rationalizes everything she did/does, and doesn't even realize that maybe some of those things need remorse, not rationalization.

I didn't harden her and I thought she did understand what she has done wrong in the end. After the Marjolaine quest, he gets a lot less "lay sister"ish.  I usually make her believe in herself, which seems to turn her into a more "saucy" and neutral good Rogue type. I do think that not hardening her makes her be more in touch with her good side. She accepts that it's completely natural to have some nasty thoughts, but it's alright if you stay a good person at heart. Which is exactly the Leliana I like most. A bit of a "saucy minx" and a bit Rogue'ish. But in the end, she's a girl with a heart of gold. I wouldnt want her to be the "neutral evil" spy. I like my "neutral good" Leli better 

Modifié par HaloKT, 27 mars 2010 - 12:24 .

[Serissia]

There's a mod that lets Sten have two specs like everyone else.



I've never actually used Sten outside of defending the gates at the very end of the game. He wasn't a particularly endearing character imo. I couldn't get over the fact that his conversations were either headache inducing circle jerks or blatant insults. I usually just end up using the Dragon Age Wiki dialogue guide to max his approval early on. That paired with one or two gifts usually gets him close to +100.

[Ash Wind]

He's addicted to cookies and plays with kittens, how bad can he be?

[Mlai00]

HaloKT wrote...
but from what I'Ve gathered, Sten very much approves of giving other people the strength or the ability to take their lives into their own hands. Whether that is giving them the decision on how to deal with a situation or giving them gold, so the can do what they need to do, he'll approve. He seems to be all about personal choice and deciding your own fate instead of having others decide it for you.

I had also thought something like that, before I learned more about Qunari culture.  But it turns out the Qunari are just as much caste-based as the dwarves, and being a dwarf casteless I cannot condone that class-by-birth social system.  However, at least the Qunari don't have the equivalent of a "casteless", and all castes seem valued equally, so I'm giving him a free ride on that one.

I didn't harden her and I thought she did understand what she has done wrong in the end. After the Marjolaine quest, he gets a lot less "lay sister"ish.  I usually make her believe in herself, which seems to turn her into a more "saucy" and neutral good Rogue type. I do think that not hardening her makes her be more in touch with her good side. She accepts that it's completely natural to have some nasty thoughts, but it's alright if you stay a good person at heart.

It could be a writer disconnect after all.  But it was definitely a bit creepy when she talked about her Orlesian exploits with such undisguised enthusiasm.

[HaloKT]

I don't know, she does seem to regret some of them. It's a bit like Zevran. She loves what comes attached to the Rogue lifestyle. The clothes, the excitement, the flirts. And even then she cuts back and says that sometimes the excitement isn't worth it if you turn into something you never wanted to become. At least in my playthrough she was very sincere of not wanting to become a second Marjolaine.



It's what I like in her the most in fact. She starts off arguably evil, or at the very most deceiving. But if you show her compassion, she'll turn into something really sweet. She even loses her "lawful" facade really early on. I think the Leliana story is actually one of the few you have the most influence on, reading your hardening story.



And maybe it's Sten's personal rebellion against the laws of the qun. He's born a warrior, without any say int he matter. Maybe he secretly wanted to be a baker. Although he starts out very unaccepting of personal choice (as in "you're a woman. you can't fight"), but at some point, you'll notice he does want more choice in life. And this is reflected in what he approves or disapproves of I guess...