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[MadInfiltrator]

I think they have introduced to many plotlines and interesting tidbits, that they have already picked a way to resolve the story.



But i still think the Reapers are actually killing organics to prevent them from burning out the galaxy, and that it will be up to Shepard to continue the cycle, or destroy the Reapers, yet risk the permanent end to all life.

[AresXX7]

well, there certainly are quite a few theories out there

what I can't understand is why some seem to think there is a "head reaper"
(Harbinger was only in command of the collectors, since it was his/it's plan to use them)

anyway, back on topic

even though I still think dark energy will have something to do with stopping them
I do like what Kaiser Shepard said...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Some sort of ancient super-weapon hidden underneath the surface of Mars which can only be activated by someone with a Prothean mind?

either that or, based on their studies of mass relays, turning them into some type of super-weapon, which still would require a Prothean mind to understand what to do

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Yeah. I know it, Shepard after killing Harbing will say "My revenge ends now" and will shoot himself and the remaining reapers will fall.



In all seriousness I'd put my coins on the "beings of light" for a resolution whatever they are or something related to dark energy. Not on a deus ex machina.

[Stay Frosty]

PKchu wrote...

Asari build a mass effect relay.

Pump a star full of dark energy.

Toss star into Reaper fleet.

Hypernova explodes and wipes out the Reapers.

Would be fine with me.

DING DING DING DING!!  We have a winner!  Great job!

Except it's not the asari, but geth -- after all, the mission to recruit Tali clearly hints that the geth may already be experimenting with this technology.  After all, they probably represent the strongest single faction in the whole galaxy, and it would take that kind of resource and unity to pull off something like this.

Modifié par Stay Frosty, 15 août 2010 - 05:13 .

[Spartas Husky]

Stay Frosty wrote...


DING DING DING DING!!  We have a winner!  Great job!

Except it's not the asari, but geth -- after all, the mission to recruit Tali clearly hints that the geth may already be experimenting with this technology.

we dont know is the geth, Legion doesn't say anything.

heretics patrol the system, and if they were experimenting on the sun they would have spotted the quarians not by accident. Also they would have a larger prescence there as well, I would guess.

[Stay Frosty]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Stay Frosty wrote...


DING DING DING DING!!  We have a winner!  Great job!

Except it's not the asari, but geth -- after all, the mission to recruit Tali clearly hints that the geth may already be experimenting with this technology.

we dont know is the geth, Legion doesn't say anything.

heretics patrol the system, and if they were experimenting on the sun they would have spotted the quarians not by accident. Also they would have a larger prescence there as well, I would guess.

But this surely is a lot of sensible than some "being of light" crap.  You make a good point of about it's in fact the heretics, not the orthodox, who are operating in that system.  Still, this may only mean the heretics have stolen this technology from the orthodox (we know they have spy programs inside the orthodox camp).  It doesn't make sense for the orthodox geth to just ignore the huge threat represented by the Reapers -- after letting the minority heretics go, it's very plausible that the majority started to prepare such a superweapon just in case.

[BinaryHelix101]

RyuGuitarFreak wrote...

Yeah. I know it, Shepard after killing Harbing will say "My revenge ends now" and will shoot himself and the remaining reapers will fall.

In all seriousness I'd put my coins on the "beings of light" for a resolution whatever they are or something related to dark energy. Not on a deus ex machina.

But surely you realize that the "beings of light" ARE a deus ex machina.

[NephilimNexus]

Chross85 wrote...


 Shepard then meets Sovereign on Virmire and learns the true motives of the Reapers and just how deep the rabbit hole goes, so to speak.  In its sophisticated speech and ramblings about just how superior the Reapers are to anything else in existence (not unlike the Architect from the Matrix) it is clear we are dealing with something that is on a completely different level than the rest of the species in the game. 

And therein lays your answer.  The Matrix trilogy did not end with Zion defeating the Machines.  It ended with Neo negotiating a peace between them.  I think the same could happen in Mass Effect - and don't forget to bring Legion to the negotiating table.

[nov_pl]

Gotta admit, I don't like idea of Deus ex Mashina, and I fear it'll be used in ME3, and yeah I guess we all want freaking epic battle at the end.

[Shockwave81]

Captain Obvious says that the game will end with a major decision that will affect the course of galactic history.



I'd love to learn more about the Reapers - it's already been indicated that each Reaper may be constructed from certain 'chosen' species, so it'd be great if they expanded on where/whom each Reaper came from.



I don't know if the Reapers will end up being the big baddies that they've been made out to be.Moral ambiguity is ever-present in the series, so I have a strong feeling it'll play a part in Shepard's final dealings with the Reapers.



Personally, I'm hoping that the Reapers aren't just hell-bent on harvesting because they want to. I hope they have some kind of 'big picture' reason for doing it, although I appreciate that this could make things rather anti-climactic.

[CShep25]

davidshooter wrote...

I predict we will somehow end up with a Reaper on our side.  It will sacrifice itself along with Shep to bring about victory.  Some heavy choice will be worked in as well - probably involving the destruction of the Citadel.

This sounds nice. Heading off on a real suicide mission captaining a rogue reaper. It gives you the whole Grayson/Saren upgrades so you can pilot the reaper and do crazy heroic deeds. It would probably have to be an optional ending though since I doubt everyone wants to sacrifice themselves. I'd love to see wildly diverging endings in which choices don't fall along the same path with a couple of alterations. I want a choice that sends me to a different planet with different cutscenes to another playthrough so that there ends up being more than one method to winning the game.

[JGDD]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Some sort of ancient super-weapon hidden underneath the surface of Mars which can only be activated by someone with a Prothean mind?

As much as that may likely save the galaxy I think it's a horrible crutch to use. Shows humans are incapable of saving themselves on their own merit. Might as well turn into reaper gel and let a more successful species evolve for 50K years.

[Myrmedus]

The Reapers have a MASSIVE weakness that many seem to have overlooked that we saw in ME2: their equivalent to an immune system is pretty poor. A Reaper can be destroyed by mere humans let alone spaceships...all they need to do is infiltrate their bodies similar to how we did with the Derelict Reaper. It means our ships need to be able to stand toe-to-toe with them in terms of survivability so that we can actually 'engage' them but that's about it - they don't actually need to do be able to destroy them with guns.

The weakness of the Reapers is their size. With the schematics we got at the end of ME2, we can kill them like viruses inside the body by targetting their AI Core from within.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 15 août 2010 - 06:42 .

[Darthlawsuit]

You were right.... Now can you tell me your guess at the lottery numbers?

[Greylan]

Chross85 wrote...
In drama the idea of a deus ex machina (Latin) is described as follows in a popular online dictionary:

Deus ex machina [dey-uhs eks mah-kuh-nuh]
noun

1. (in ancient Greek and Roman drama) a god introduced into a play to
resolve the entanglements of the plot.

2. any artificial or improbable device resolving the difficulties of a
plot.

The
best example, that many would know, that I can come up with is War of
the Worlds.  The conclusion of the story ends with the aliens succumbing
to the common cold virus and systematically being wiped out.  This is a
deus ex machina.  In a story that progresses further and further to the
inevitable annihilation of the human race, the author, as if running
out of ideas in how to best conclude the story in a happy ending, pulled
the common cold virus out of thin air and used it as the catalyst for
the aliens destruction (since it was made clear that the humans were
helpless to stop the FAR advanced aliens).

Wow man, I'm thinking you're either a prophet or you work for bioware and leaked the ending over a year ago.  It's uncanny how accurate this is, you literally spelled out the ending of the game.  

1) God from the machine?  That's what the kid is, and he literally comes from machines.  An artificial plot device?  It's great because both in game and meta game, it's an artificial plot device.

2) This next sentence of yours is enough to convince me that you can see the future or work for bioware:

"...This is a deus ex machina.  In a story that progresses further and further to the
inevitable annihilation of the human race, the author, as if running
out of ideas in how to best conclude the story in a happy ending, pulled
the common cold virus out of thin air and used it as the catalyst for
the aliens destruction... "

Edit:  Bold was added by me, not original author.*

Now, how about those lottery numbers?

Modifié par Greylan, 22 mars 2012 - 02:55 .

[PsiFive]

2) This next sentence of yours is enough to convince me that you can see the future or work for bioware:

"...This is a deus ex machina.  In a story that progresses further and further to the
inevitable annihilation of the human race, the author, as if running
out of ideas in how to best conclude the story in a happy ending, pulled
the common cold virus out of thin air and used it as the catalyst for
the aliens destruction... "

Edit:  Bold was added by me, not original author.*

Now, how about those lottery numbers?

That's.... that's just.... okay, coincidence, but still incredibly close to the money from all that time ago. *gapes* 

Don't think the OP is right about the cold virus in WotW being a deus ex machina though. H.G. Wells was thinking about how smallpox devastated aboriginal populations here in Oz and how something similar could happen if aliens were exposed to earth germs that they had no resistance to. I expect a microbiologist could explain that we now know this is complete cobblers and why but at the time the thinking was simply no resistance to germs = gurgling death soon after exposure to them.

But shiny kid superbeings that offer you the three versions of the same thing to make your unbeatable enemy just go away certainly qualifies.

[scolack]

By god how right you were....you are the best predictor on this planet. Nailed it, "mass effect 3 will need a deus ex machina to solve the reapers, a catalyst" well that's EXACTLY what we got

[Doctor Solus]

This thread scares me.

[Wise Men]

shootist70 wrote...

Hmm..I see where you're coming from, but I think we're jumping the gun here. You fear a deus ex machina resolution because you can't see a solution to the Reaper problem that's consistent with suspension of disbelief. Yet if you could see that potential solution right now, it would mean that the devs had telegraphed the plot conclusion, and that would be some pretty poor story-telling right there. Wouldn't you agree?

This is one of the most intelligent posts I have seen in a while.  Well said. 

[Ryuji2]

*head explodes*

[RAF1940]

Well, we saw what happened.

[SackofCat]

What Kaiser Shepard described was pretty close to the early draft. Combine with what AresXX7 proposed at the end of his post (on this page) and you have a concise and accurate prediction.

[Oni Changas]

Damn shame they ditched Karpyshyn's universe-consistent work for another SKYNET/I, Robot plot.

[Farbex]

It is too late. I recommend investigating a means of conserving this thread for future species.

Modifié par Farbex, 01 juillet 2012 - 04:32 .