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[Luke Bioware]

Yes. The world of Mass Effect is ridled with a wide range of races and people who can turn into spiders. Don't forget the alternate dimensions!

[Aedan_Cousland]

Just when I thought Talimancers couldn't be more creepy, I stumble across this thread.

I think the OP is reading a bit too much into an Easter Egg.

The stories of Dragon Age and Mass Effect do not exist in the same universe. DA is set in a fictional fantasy universe whereas Mass Effect is a fictional future for the universe that we actually live in. The history of humanity in ME is identical to our own right up until the present.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 13 août 2010 - 06:43 .

[Lintanis]

 Thinking the pool of life needs a bit more chlorine in it 

[Lord Ed1]

Big Blue Car wrote...

 Now before everyone just says 'no' straight away, let's consider a few things.

1. Dragon Age and Mass Effect happen in the same universe. Evidence: Hock has a statue of a Darkspawn Ogre in his personal vault.

2. Dragon Age and Mass Effect happen in similar time periods. Evidence: Precisely how the statue got off-world is unknown, but for a stone statue to be in that good condition it can't be more than a thousand years old. And since it is already an antique, that suggests Dragon Age and Mass Effect 2 happen in a similar time period. The likeliest possibility to me is that a Salarian observation team investigated the planet, then left it to develop further rather than disturb development.

3. Bioware listens to the fans. Evidence: Tali and Garrus romances happening due to the overwhelming demand from fans.

This can happen, and if it isn't already being developed then it easily could be. Come on Bioware, this is an opportunity. At the very least consider the delectable quarian hero as a DLC character (crashlanded ship, anyone?).

1. Mass Effect happens in our universe. It is supposed to be 2183 and onwards. Thus, someone may have created that statue after having played Dragon Age: Origins. May very well be one of our fellow forumites, we just don't know it yet. Or it's some blown up miniature Hock wanted made of expensive material. Anyway, this Easter Egg is easily retconned:p.

2. Advanced technology is commonplace in Mass Effect. There's this thing called decontamination. It's probably easy to conserve materials with such technology. Under the right circumstances corrosion doesn't get a chance.

3. Bioware often hears but doesn't always listen. They said those romances were there to see how fans responded to it and just give them the possibility. You can be sure we won't get a shotgun wielding engineer in the Grey Wardens. 

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

XX55XX wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

I'm curious why people would object to a crossover?

Because they are conservative and feel that crossovers may weaken the serious tone found in both franchises. 

Sure....or....I'll give you an example. Pizza is tasty, I love pizza. Cupcakes are also tasty, I love cupcakes. They both use flour, salt and sugar but some components from each recipe do not jive with the other components of the other recipe. Anyone tasting that Pizzcake would loudly protest "forsoothe, this is not a cupcake nor pizza!" But like this mythical culinary creation, when you have established a deep fantasy world and a deep science fiction world never should the two meet. Some things are far better seperately than they can ever be together, it has nothing to do with conservatism. Writing fiction, whether science fiction or fantasy relies on suspending the disbelief of the audience. This is usually done by setting down guidelines. Just calling lyrium the same thing as element zero would cause most people to question several inconsistancies.

Why can people handle element zero but not lyrium? Does this mean humans in Thedas aren't really humans? Why are they called humans then? If people in Mass Effect had lyrium then why would they need element zero or cybernetic implants for biotics? Couldn't they just snort a pile of lyrium or element zero (if they were the same) and just take off skipping across the galaxy? If you were going to make a connection, you should of said lyrium was the drug "red sand" from ME...because lyrium dust is reddish pink and can kill if taken in vast quantities.

But I digress, if lyrium was the same as element zero, wouldn't some mention of the Fade be in Mass Effect? Surely some race would start getting posessed by Fade spirits if it was the same mystical chemical compound, especially since it seems to affect the humans of Thedas quite readily. We haven't heard too many accounts of people developing mental conditions by handling too much element zero either.

The bottom line is, no one likes the taste of Pizzcake.

[Aedan_Cousland]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

I'm curious why people would object to a crossover?

Because they are conservative and feel that crossovers may weaken the serious tone found in both franchises. 

Sure....or....I'll give you an example. Pizza is tasty, I love pizza. Cupcakes are also tasty, I love cupcakes. They both use flour, salt and sugar but some components from each recipe do not jive with the other components of the other recipe. Anyone tasting that Pizzcake would loudly protest "forsoothe, this is not a cupcake nor pizza!" But like this mythical culinary creation, when you have established a deep fantasy world and a deep science fiction world never should the two meet. Some things are far better seperately than they can ever be together, it has nothing to do with conservatism. Writing fiction, whether science fiction or fantasy relies on suspending the disbelief of the audience. This is usually done by setting down guidelines. Just calling lyrium the same thing as element zero would cause most people to question several inconsistancies.

Why can people handle element zero but not lyrium? Does this mean humans in Thedas aren't really humans? Why are they called humans then? If people in Mass Effect had lyrium then why would they need element zero or cybernetic implants for biotics? Couldn't they just snort a pile of lyrium or element zero (if they were the same) and just take off skipping across the galaxy? If you were going to make a connection, you should of said lyrium was the drug "red sand" from ME...because lyrium dust is reddish pink and can kill if taken in vast quantities.

But I digress, if lyrium was the same as element zero, wouldn't some mention of the Fade be in Mass Effect? Surely some race would start getting posessed by Fade spirits if it was the same mystical chemical compound, especially since it seems to affect the humans of Thedas quite readily. We haven't heard too many accounts of people developing mental conditions by handling too much element zero either.

The bottom line is, no one likes the taste of Pizzcake.

*Applauds*


/thread

[Big Blue Car]

The best part of this thread is the thought of someone seeing 5 stars and 80+ replies and having a mild heart attack before they click it.

[YohkoOhno]

While Mass Effect may not cross over, I do believe there may be a S-F explanation twist for Dragon Age. If you accept concepts like utility fog to handle biotic or magic power, the fact that fade might be more or less a virtual world or utility fog or both, and the fact that we don't have things like miracles--note Blood Magic which involves the blog feels sort of nanitish.

But like this mythical culinary creation, when you have established a deep fantasy world and a deep science fiction world never should the two meet. Some things are far better seperately than they can ever be together, it has nothing to do with conservatism. Writing fiction, whether science fiction or fantasy relies on suspending the disbelief of the audience.

Fantasy is not suspension of disbelief. If we were going by that, then SF would always win over fantasy.

I think it's just people are really scared of a possible "twist ending", where we find out it's really an abandoned SF world that fell into chaos.  In fact, in fiction that happens a lot (Science-Fantasy was a viable genre), and I can see Bioware doing that.  

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 13 août 2010 - 06:59 .

[thesuperdarkone]

Big Blue Car wrote...

The best part of this thread is the thought of someone seeing 5 stars and 80+ replies and having a mild heart attack before they click it.

 

Is this because there will be no more Tali threads?

[Aedan_Cousland]

YohkoOhno wrote...

. I think it's just people are really scared of a possible "twist ending", where we find out it's really an abandoned SF world that fell into chaos. 

Scared?

No. It would be incredibly lame and poor storytelling to suddenly combine the Dragon Age and Mass Effect universes.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 13 août 2010 - 07:07 .

[Beerfish]

We need a full crossover here. Some kind of star trek total group switch from one dimension to the other. I'm all for it. Fear my Elcor riding Hanar army darkspawn!

[YohkoOhno]

But I digress, if lyrium was the same as element zero, wouldn't some mention of the Fade be in Mass Effect? Surely some race would start getting posessed by Fade spirits if it was the same mystical chemical compound, especially since it seems to affect the humans of Thedas quite readily. We haven't heard too many accounts of people developing mental conditions by handling too much element zero either.

Let's ignore Mass Effect and consider just if DA could be a "twist", an SF world gone horribly wrong.

The fade could be some form of Augmented or VI reality--VI makes sense because most people see it "in their dreams". Imagine if all life is able to access an advanced Internet via nanotech or psionic enhancement--mages had some kind of genetic link or have some sort of nanotech infection.

Fade spirits are rogue AIs, which explains the limited concepts they acknowledge. Possessing the dead involves nanotech animating a corpse. Blood magic works the same way. Elemental magic and shapeshifting is just applications of utility fog.

The maker is a AI, humans were taken from earth a long time ago and replanted into a foreign planet, some sort of lab experiment. The Darkspawn were a case of a Grey Goo infection. Other races just modified from Human base stock.

It's not unplausable.

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 13 août 2010 - 07:10 .

[rexil]

So there will be "no exclusive organization. No saving the world. No ancient evil."
I got it.
In DA2 we will build Tali a new home.
 

[Big Blue Car]

'Talimancing' would be a new spell line. All 'protection from disease' spells, and temporarily summoning a perfectly round, pink spirit to help you fight.

[MKDAWUSS]

You know, if the DA Tali is appropriately inserted, why not? Basically give her the same looks, same personality, same backstory, and so on, only tailor it to the DA universe instead of the ME one. Basically, do what they did with the Blood Dragon Armor Set. It's in both universes, but it's done so its appropriate for each one.

[thesuperdarkone]

Can't believe that people are taking this seriously.

[casedawgz]

The simple fact is that if DA and ME took place in the same universe, Shepard would have already strip mined Thedas for all of its valuable resources, leaving the scattered remnants of civilization on a ravaged and depleted world to rub two sticks together for warmth and lament their cruel fates.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

rexil wrote...

So there will be "no exclusive organization. No saving the world. No ancient evil."
I got it.
In DA2 we will build Tali a new home.
 

And then Swiftrunner huffs and puffs and blows her house down!

[rexil]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

rexil wrote...

So there will be "no exclusive organization. No saving the world. No ancient evil."
I got it.
In DA2 we will build Tali a new home.
 

And then Swiftrunner huffs and puffs and blows her house down!

Not if I build her home in Hawkes beard:)