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[Chebby]

Hi all.
I'm currently bored of Humans and I've decided to give the Dwarves some love for a bit, but I'm ever curious...
When is, theoretically, the best level for a Fighter to dual class into either a Cleric or Mage?
Should I, instead, carry on with my avoidance of Humans and instead try a F/M multiclassed Forest/Rock/Svirfneblin Gnome? Post your thoughts on the matter; I don't want to jump the gun and become disappointed in my uninsightful choice later on.
Cheers.

[SometimesSpring]

IIRC you can't make a dwarven F/M, nor can you choose a subrace. You can have a F/T or F/C but not a F/M. Gnomes can be Fighter/Illusionists.



A fighter ideally duals at 9 or 13: 9 if you're looking to regain your first class skills faster and 13 if you're looking to get an extra proficiency point and a base 2 APR. Mages-to-be tend to dual mostly at 13 since reading scrolls is a great way to boost up your XP like mad. As for clerics, it all boils down to personal preference once more. Some people even dual in the 20s once they grab a few GWWs, but I think that's usually to thief.

[corey_russell]

Only Humans can dual. Other races if they want access to two classes must multi-class.



Most people agree that the best levels to dual from a fighter are either 7 (which grants an extra 1/2 atttack), 9 (which is the last fighter level that used D10 for HP level ups) or 13 (to get yet another 1/2 attack).



If you are talking about BG 1 then dualing from level 7 would be almost impossible to regain fighter abilities without removing the experience cap. But dualing from 7 or 9 works quite well in BG 2.

[zorx_again]

Most popular is/was Kensai/Mage dual. Optimum would be level 9 and that's what I recommend, I don't think you'll be disappointed.

As for the races, my usual choice was human, sometimes elf or half-elf.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

I dislike the kensai(9) dualclasses, mostly because I feel that the damage bonuse doesn't yet make up for what the character loses out on (had it been, for example, a berserker dualclass). If you are going to dualclass a kensai, it really shouldn't be before level 13.

[Chebby]

SometimesSpring wrote...

IIRC you can't make a dwarven F/M

I never said anything about a Dwarven F/M, I was referring to Gnomes at the time.

[Chebby]

So if I were to look into a fighter dualled into a cleric I'd have happy days doing it all at level 13, right? Considering the fact that there are three stat tomes in BG1, it's a combination I've always wanted to try.

[Ed boy]

There are more than three stat tomes. You have one for each attribute, an extra one for wisdom as part of a quest (which you can keep via pickpocketing), and a thrid wisdom in Durlag's tower (if you have totsc)

[Chebby]

Ed boy wrote...

There are more than three stat tomes. You have one for each attribute, an extra one for wisdom as part of a quest (which you can keep via pickpocketing), and a thrid wisdom in Durlag's tower (if you have totsc)

I was referring to the three wisdom tomes, I forgot to specify. My bad.

[zorx_again]

Humanoid_Taifun wrote...
If you are going to dualclass a kensai, it really shouldn't be before level 13.

Chebby wrote...

So if I were to look into a fighter dualled into a cleric I'd have happy days doing it all at level 13, right?

You will benefit but only when you reach level 14 with cleric and that will not be very soon, roughly you'll need around 2.5 million XP total for F13/C14 (I'm maybe a little wrong here, could be 100-200k more or less, can't remember). If you go with less party members (1-3 max) it can be done faster otherwise you'll be near the end of SoA. Not worth it imo.

Modifié par zorx_again, 15 août 2010 - 12:02 .

[CoM Solaufein]

I never liked dualing. If I wanted a multi-class  character I would play an elf or some other non-human race. This way you have two classes going up about the same time which will make you powerful as you progress in levels.

[Morbidest]

CoM Solaufein wrote...

I never liked dualing. If I wanted a multi-class  character I would play an elf or some other non-human race. This way you have two classes going up about the same time which will make you powerful as you progress in levels.

Personally I agree with you. But I can see that if someone is playing with a very small party, or solo, they might feel that's the best way to get the blend of skills they need to survive the endgame. But given that you could also use a class like Swashbuckler, be rapidly promoted, and wind up with a F/T/M (thru scrolls), I've never seen the point of having to suffer thru the weakness period until you get back to the level you dualed at.

H_T has argued that by the end of ToB a multi like Aerie is so powerful that properly equipped and buffed you can even use her as a frontline melee fighter

[Humanoid_Taifun]

I only repeated what I could remember from Alesia_BH's teachings, the great sage of all things magical.

[Shadow_Leech07]

Morbidest wrote...



H_T has argued that by the end of ToB a multi like Aerie is so powerful that properly equipped and buffed you can even use her as a frontline melee fighter

You don't even need to equip her. Bust out iron golem/ spell triggers/ and finally tensers....she'll smash face easy.

[Chebby]

But her eyes! No, I refuse to have them in my party.
Having that thing staring at me all day... *grumble*

Anyway, I'm leaning more towards a Fighter/Cleric. I just hope it's a decent combination.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

FC multi with 10 APR for 38 damage each? It's okay, I guess...

But why not an RC? Same offense, but also Ironskins.

[bloodanddarknessfillmysoul]

And those tastey insect spells...and fire elemental tanks for low levels...and free two weapon fighting...

[Slyx]

and! and! and!... peculiarly early HLA's? Or just one is it?

[Humanoid_Taifun]

But bloodanddarknessfillmysoul, since rangers gain less levels than fighters, RCs subsequently also get 2 less HLAs (if my count's right) and one less proficiency point, so at 8M XP a RC would only have 1 more proficiency point total than a FC (and if you don't want to dualwield, it is 1 less than the FC).

[Slyx]

Yeah, but how do you argue against Iron Skins, and ALL druid spells? Where's the balance in the favor of the fighter on that one? Do those 2 HLA's make up for it? Are there not enough HLA's otherwise?

[Humanoid_Taifun]

if you look up, you will notice that I actually recommended the RC. I only added the post about proficiencies because I wanted to highlight it's one "downside" as well.

[bloodanddarknessfillmysoul]

Fair enough, I just really happen to be a fan of rc.



Plus if you have unnerfed grandmastery, you could be short changed some apr.

[Humanoid_Taifun]

Sure, but FoA+5 requires GWW for proper APR anyways, so there.

(and don't misunderstand, I like the RC too).

[Chebby]

Ranger/Cleric, eh?

I like that thought. Besides; it's not like I can't equip a shield on boss fights, after all.

[Chebby]

This... Is perfect. I'm having a blast. While many would say this is an overpowered multi due to two spellbooks in one (a little strange, considering the pure ranger classes would die to get higher level druid spells) I like it all the same, for letting me have a bit of nature in my priest without having a gigantic brick wall at around the 14th level. Best thing is, this multiclass reminds me of my 3e melee fighter/druid.

Anyway, thanks for your input; I am significantly enlightened.