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[didymos1120]

All that remains of Mordin the biotic:



Not all that interesting, really. Mostly for completeness' sake.

[Omicrone]

LOL awesome!

[AntiChri5]

AGAIN!

EDIT: Thanks mate.

Are you going to be making an "unused audio master thread" with links to each one so we can bully Jav into stickying it?

Modifié par AntiChri5, 13 août 2010 - 07:58 .

[didymos1120]

AntiChri5 wrote...
Are you going to be making an "unused audio master thread" with links to each one so we can bully Jav into stickying it?

Yeah, I really should.  I still want to make separate ones for each vid, though.  That way they're viewable without navigating away from the forums, and I won't have some mega-thread with a ton of separate embedded flash applets.

[TK Dude]

Awesome! I can't believe they have cut this.

Once again, you are amazing didymos.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Thank you for your great service.

[Sailears]

Oh my! Thanks for sharing.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Why wasn't this kept on the first page at all times? I only just found out about this...



Interesting stuff, much appreciated. Totally want a biotic salarian on the team in ME3 now.

[TelexFerra]

You should make one big thread with all of these hidden audio files in it.



That way it would be much easier to bump and for people to see them all

[ODST Steve]

I swear I thought I saw Mordin as an option the first time I played the suicide mission.

[Aricle]

Thanks for this!

[HBC Dresden]

To OP: I really appreciate what you have done. BTW, how many unused/glitched/hidden files do you have left to upload and reveal to the community?

[ADLegend21]

that was awesome, almost as awesome as you are for doing all this! Great job!

[Arhka]

Mordin shockwave lol. What class would he have been as a biotic? A sentinel?

[Pacifien]

I get the impression that Mordin's and Thane's powers got switched at some point during development.

[didymos1120]

HBC Dresden wrote...

To OP: I really appreciate what you have done. BTW, how many unused/glitched/hidden files do you have left to upload and reveal to the community?

I don't know exactly. Some of it I already know for sure wasn't in the game (like the already known Liara Shadow Broker dialogue, for instance).  Still, I have a bunch of stuff left to check, but most of it will just turn out to be in the game after all, and I didn't hear it because I chose different dialogue options or whatever.  That's been the case for most of the dialogue I haven't been sure about. 

As far as the actual number of files...got me.  I haven't even bothered to count.  The way they split things up is really inconsistent.  Sometimes a single file will be two words, and sometimes it'll be two or more sentences.  Occasionally, separate files will  be part of the same line, if you're talking more in "screenplay" terms.  Plus, I stich conversations or related lines together into single files that are easier to work with. 

[ODST Steve]

Is there a link to the LotSB dialogue?

[archurban]

I didn't know Mordin is biotic. more likely tech...



this is different story. I brought Morinth first time for final mission. but there was bugs. indicator on the screen showed her as Samara. I don't know whether she has Reave or not. but it was the exactly same like Samara. is she? even other place sometimes indicator shows her as Samara. I don't know. why. here is funny thing. when I went to Tuchanka with Grunt, she was revealed who she really was. grunt mention that 'stay away Asari ****'? LOL.

[HBC Dresden]

didymos1120 wrote...

HBC Dresden wrote...

To OP: I really appreciate what you have done. BTW, how many unused/glitched/hidden files do you have left to upload and reveal to the community?

I don't know exactly. Some of it I already know for sure wasn't in the game (like the already known Liara Shadow Broker dialogue, for instance).  Still, I have a bunch of stuff left to check, but most of it will just turn out to be in the game after all, and I didn't hear it because I chose different dialogue options or whatever.  That's been the case for most of the dialogue I haven't been sure about. 

As far as the actual number of files...got me.  I haven't even bothered to count.  The way they split things up is really inconsistent.  Sometimes a single file will be two words, and sometimes it'll be two or more sentences.  Occasionally, separate files will  be part of the same line, if you're talking more in "screenplay" terms.  Plus, I stich conversations or related lines together into single files that are easier to work with. 

Interesting.

I know what you mean, I bet there is a good amount of audio many people have not heard yet (myself included) due to options we haven't chosen (like some super mean ones), ones that would take too long to set up (like ME1 import stuff affecting ME2 stuff), etc. Anyway, thanks again for the info and the work!

[FlyinElk212]

Wait wait wait. The two endings of Mordin's audio seem to signify that, if loyal, Mordin's biotic bubble would have succeeded, similarly to Jack's or Samara's.

WHAT THE HECK?! Was Mordin initially going to be a biotic comprable to those two?? Was Jack or Samara a character created after Mordin's VO/development?? What caused the overall change??

Initially, I thought the reasoning for Mordin or Thane not having any role in the suicide mission was that a leg of it was cut (perhaps something involving stealth or recon), however, this makes me believe that either characters were added later, or Mordin and Thane's roles evolved over time. The implications of this audio are endless.

[Pacifien]

FlyinElk212 wrote...
Initially, I thought the reasoning for Mordin or Thane not having any role in the suicide mission was that a leg of it was cut (perhaps something involving stealth or recon), however, this makes me believe that either characters were added later, or Mordin and Thane's roles evolved over time. The implications of this audio are endless.

People will say that, even though he didn't have a specific role in the mission itself, Mordin is still critical to the mission's success because he does all the research on the ship. It's Thane who doesn't have a definite role, other than to die easily and not catch Shepard.

Thane did have a specific role at one point, but they switched him out at the last moment for Garrus. Pity, as he then became the odd man out of the dozen.

ETA: I suspect the developers might have worked backwards, laying out the suicide mission first with who would work where, and then changing it as they started to develop the characters for the rest of the game. Mordin was supposed to be a biotic, but instead they determined it made more sense to just leave him as a tech.

Modifié par Pacifien, 15 août 2010 - 02:24 .

[FlyinElk212]

Pacifien wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...
Initially, I thought the reasoning for Mordin or Thane not having any role in the suicide mission was that a leg of it was cut (perhaps something involving stealth or recon), however, this makes me believe that either characters were added later, or Mordin and Thane's roles evolved over time. The implications of this audio are endless.

People will say that, even though he didn't have a specific role in the mission itself, Mordin is still critical to the mission's success because he does all the research on the ship. It's Thane who doesn't have a definite role, other than to die easily and not catch Shepard.

Thane did have a specific role at one point, but they switched him out at the last moment for Garrus. Pity, as he then became the odd man out of the dozen.

ETA: I suspect the developers might have worked backwards, laying out the suicide mission first with who would work where, and then changing it as they started to develop the characters for the rest of the game. Mordin was supposed to be a biotic, but instead they determined it made more sense to just leave him as a tech.

I agree with the developers working backwards theory. It makes more sense to make sure that the most difficult mechanic in the game is fleshed out before anything else.

However, out of curiosity, what specific role did Thane have in place of Garrus's? o______O And how do you know this??

(I STILL think that just making a leg requiring a squaddie to sneak around would've solved everything. The remaining two characters without roles in the Suicide Mish would both have roles that fit their characters nicely)

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 15 août 2010 - 02:28 .

[Skyblade012]

Garrus is an expert at small-unit tactics, thanks to his time leading his team, which allows him to be a Leader for the secondary group successfully, something that is only shared by Miranda and Jacob (and, seriously, Jacob? Some big leader? Yeah, no).



I'm guessing that Pacifien is saying Thane could do that originally, but his role got reshaped.

[Pacifien]

FlyinElk212 wrote...
However, out of curiosity, what specific role did Thane have in place of Garrus's? o______O And how do you know this??

(I STILL think that just making a leg requiring a squaddie to sneak around would've solved everything. The remaining two characters without roles in the Suicide Mish would both have roles that fit their characters nicely)

Thane was supposed to be one of the top three defenders for the Hold the Line segment of the mission, along with Grunt and Zaeed. But as Garrus was able to hold off three merc groups for over a day, the developers realized he probably would make a better defender.

I know this because I asked a developer (some of them answer their PMs ) when I noticed a discrepency in the order in which squadmates die during the Hold the Line segment with what I knew about the top three defenders, part of the SCIENCE investigation for all things suicide mission.

There are a lot of ideas I wish they had implemented for the suicide mission (more sneaking around, sniper distractions), but I realized how each element added to the suicide mission made it more difficult to establish roles and deaths to allow for Shepard to have the necessary two squadmates with him for the final battle.

Modifié par Pacifien, 15 août 2010 - 02:58 .

[FlyinElk212]

Pacifien wrote...

FlyinElk212 wrote...
However, out of curiosity, what specific role did Thane have in place of Garrus's? o______O And how do you know this??

(I STILL think that just making a leg requiring a squaddie to sneak around would've solved everything. The remaining two characters without roles in the Suicide Mish would both have roles that fit their characters nicely)

Thane was supposed to be one of the top three defenders for the Hold the Line segment of the mission, along with Grunt and Zaeed. But as Garrus was able to hold off three merc groups for over a day, the developers realized he probably would make a better defender.
...
There are a lot of ideas I wish they had implemented for the suicide mission (more sneaking around, sniper distractions), but I realized how each element added to the suicide mission made it more difficult to establish roles and deaths to allow for Shepard to have the necessary two squadmates with him for the final battle.

Yeah...and therein lies the biggest problem with that. Unless Bioware forced the character to have all 12 squaddies, they of course couldn't make the suicide mission too long.

Hmm...the Thane thing's very interesting to me. I understand the move though. Really, I see almost no justification for Thane being one of the top 3 hold-the-line-ers.

Still an interesting thing though. I'd love to get the scoop on the development of the game, like a behind-the-scenes what happened during the development stages to cause huge switches in the overall game.