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[AlanC9]

Bryy_Miller wrote...
You know, nobody will tell you this, but being colorblind is quite a lame concept. Don't be acting on RACE, sure, but don't IGNORE that someone is not your race. There are Racial Identities and Cultures that you would be a fool for ignoring.

I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to do with the knowledge that someone comes from a "black culture," or whatever you would call it. What should I do differently around him?

[Clover Rider]

AlanC9 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...
You know, nobody will tell you this, but being colorblind is quite a lame concept. Don't be acting on RACE, sure, but don't IGNORE that someone is not your race. There are Racial Identities and Cultures that you would be a fool for ignoring.

I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to do with the knowledge that someone comes from a "black culture," or whatever you would call it. What should I do differently around him?

Be a Bro .

[AbounI]

Well, i will never understand why someone is using this bad term "African-American" or "American African".Do we talk about "European-American" or "Asian-American"?In his roots, a nowadays American has an origin from another place than America.So, why some people are allowing themself to make the difference when they mention african attributes when they talking about a black man in America, and not to mention another attribute when they talking about a white American?

For me, talking about a "black" american, it's like meaning he's not a true american cause it's considering he belongs the african diaspora.Wether you're black or white american, you're just an american, and that's all.You can have some different roots or cultural idedntities, but  you have the same nationality if you're living in America whatever is the color of your skin.

When the colour of a man skin will be no more significant than the color of a man eyes?

[B3taMaxxx]

AbounI wrote...For me, talking about a "black" american, it's like meaning he's not a true american cause it's considering he belongs the african diaspora.Wether you're black or white american, you're just an american, and that's all.You can have some different roots or cultural idedntities, but  you have the same nationality if you're living in America whatever is the color of your skin.

 Well there is still significance in ones race. As we may all be Americans here, we still have different cultures, whether that is divided between geographical location, race, or religion.

 There is nothing wrong with aknowledging ones race. Medical issues foremost, in that the different races are subject to different conditions, or the likelyhood of. If not for the racial, ethnic and cultural differences, America would not be as it is today.

Modifié par B3taMaxxx, 15 août 2010 - 10:28 .

[The Console Version is good]

I am of Sicilian decent so naturally I have a tan with real dark black hair and dark brown eyes and I play a lighter skinned character with white hair because it just looks bad ass I really don't care about race but then again I am not black so it might be different for them, Plus anything below the yellow skin tone looks like crap lets be honest.

Bioware did a lazy Job on skin tones in this game.

Modifié par The Console Version is good, 15 août 2010 - 11:05 .

[thegreateski]

The Console Version is good wrote...

I am of Sicilian decent so naturally I have a tan with real dark black hair and dark brown eyes and I play a lighter skinned character with white hair because it just looks bad ass I really don't care about race but then again I am not black so it might be different for them, Plus anything below the yellow skin tone looks like crap lets be honest.

Bioware did a lazy Job on skin tones in this game.

"Hello! I am the Warden and I have a remarkably BAD sunburn."

Modifié par thegreateski, 15 août 2010 - 11:25 .

[Tirigon]

I wish there were no humans at all. I´m so sick of all these racist discussions. Avoid them and make a fantasy world without any humans. Dwarves, elves, demons and all these fantasy stuff is more interesting anyways, and there are so many you could make 100s of games without needing to invent new ones.

[Lintanis]

Always wondered how it can be classed as racist when we all are in the same race i.e Human 

[Russalka]

There is a difference between races and species.



This discussion is odd and unnecessary, but that is my opinion.

Someone needs to sit on this leak of Jacob topics from ME2 forums.

[GodWood]

My question is: What ****ing barrier!?

[Thiefy]

CalloNumenel wrote...

Saibh wrote...

CalloNumenel wrote...

How is making someone with dark skin breaking a barrier? The only reason Africans and people of African descent have darker skin is because of the exposure to UV radiation where their ancestors lived.

Here's why.

I'm not saying that BioWare is racist in the least, but it seems like a...strange question to ask. Some people have a strong cultural identity. Please don't be offended, but I'm just surprised you'd ask a question like that.

I'm not offended. I just don't see why it has to be African American. Why not say a hero with darker skin? I could say it would be breaking a barrier if they made a Canadian American hero. My point was that the skin color or origins of the heroes should not matter. I don't see their skin color as an issue and I don't see how this would be breaking any sort of barrier. Bioware lets you make your character any skin tone you wish. I would assume that if they were in fact racist this option would be limited to skin colors they felt were superior.

IMHO, people who assume they are superior because of their skin color are stupid.

for the same reason gay people would rather have "marriage" than a "civil union"? it's the whole "sepereate but equal"...because if it's REALLY equal, why does it need to be seperate? if you are giving two people the exact same thing but take one group and say "ok you get the same as everyone else, but we are going to call it something else only for you guys" it's still discrimination.
 
I mean if they want to indentify their PCs or other NPCs as African American, why not? That's how they want to interpret the game, so be it, even of the rest of the forum disagrees.

and i'm pretty sure it's been addressed several times already that it's not just about skin color, or even making a main PC, but the lack of NPCs and companions as well.

Wow is it really THAT big a deal that some people would actually want NPCs and party members to look ethinically similar to them?  Seriously, and don't go on about how it doesn't fit and crap, because for crying out loud, there's demons that feed off of you while you sleep, dwarves are a race as opposed to a genetic defect, and you get to shank dragons that are easily x100 times your size (and do so with a cool a finishing blow, mind you) multiple times... it's not THAT farfetched to think black people or their in game equivalent would make a weapon shop, or be the advisor to some kind of prominent political figure or whatever. Considering all the other in game feats we accomplish I don't thing it's that hard or difficult to ninja a few black npcs into the game. Yeah, it's a fantasy game, so why is it so hard for people to imagine something other than white people in a given setting.

and i don't get why there are so many people against it either. it doesn't fit the environment? only if it can work properly? seriously? ever heard of a boat? marvelous contraption used to ferry over goods and people from one far away location to another. i hear the hero of DA2 will be using one in his/her adventures to get over to kirkwall. it's not as hard as you make it out to be, and yeah people are going to get upset when you tell them they don't belong someplace or have no business being there, especially over something so trivial as their looks.

i'm not even black, loved the first game to bits (bought it 3 times within the span of like 2 weeks, plus 2 guides, one paperback and one hardback) and i can understand why people are upset.  They aren't asking that you bend the will of thedas to their whims, they just want the same kind of immersion as everyone else, is all. I think it's even crappier that people would say there's not point to topics like this or they ought to be locked.

It's basically brushing people's concern under the rug because it makes other people feel umcomfortable. I mean would anyone here REALLY be upset if Bioware decided to add more African Americans/black people/(whatever word you prefer) into the game? Or is this whole fuss really about the TERM used in the title? We all know *exactly* what the OP was talking about and the attempts to turn this thread into political discussion about what's the right and wrong way to name something is nothing but a bunch of rabble rousing.

(and btw callo, this whole post isn't geared towards you, so please don't think it is my trying to attack you, as that was not my intention)

[Victoriaa]

Darker skin? Sure.*Black*, no.

[MyKingdomCold]

I have a question.



If there aren't any black people who taught society to cut some people's hair into cornrows?

[Annihilator27]

JoePinasi1989 wrote...

You guys are STILL having this discussion?! Whaw!

Hell yeah, There arent alot of blacks in games let alone black heroes. Being black, I would like to see more.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

I'm sorry, but like someone else said, it would be a little wierd considering Thedas is supposed to be Europe. You could also say: "Why aren't there any Japanese people?" or "Where are the Eskimos?"

[Sigma Tauri]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

I'm sorry, but like someone else said, it would be a little wierd considering Thedas is supposed to be Europe.

No, it isn't. Honestly, I'm not sure if you know what "based off" means. Thedas is like Europe, but not Europe. History isn't a rule, but a well-spring of ideas for DA's world-builders. If people actually think that, why the **** did Bioware make Thedas into a southern continent? The whole setup of including anything about Thedas is much more arbitrary than you think.

gamerm wrote...

I think they should put a black person in our party or main character, they did it on Oblivion. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Oblivion did NOT introduce Redguards. They were in the series since the beginning, not like Dragon Age.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 15 août 2010 - 04:15 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

There were a few people you meet in DA who were quite dark complectioned, one even having east African/Abyssinian look to him. That senior enchanter in the mage origin, complete with cornrows, that was talking to Niall. There is also Ser Bryant, who was darker than Duncan, and that one dwarf in the proving grounds who was trying to buy that Shaperate tome. There were also a few generic dwarves and elves who were extremely dark, as well as one of the widows you give the death notice to. So there are dark skinned/non-European looking people in Ferelden. perhaps immigrants from other lands.



But given the setting, which is Medieval British isles (for Ferelden), it is an accurate representation of the period and people. In medieval times, there were Asian and African people in Europe, but in very small numbers, no community or anything.



Rivain seems like people there would be closer to Arab/Morrish coloring, ranging from olive to deep brown. The Tevinter, who are supposed to resemble Grecco-Roman society, would probably be medium toned. Antivans, modeled after Italy, would have a wide range of coloring, as do the Italians. So far, we only know nations of Thedas. There very well could be other continents with other races. So long as it fits the setting, and isn't thrown in just for PC points, I would look forward to seeing what lies beyond Thedas.



Of course, you are looking at human society. The dwarves and elves, being a race unto themselves, come in just about every color of the rainbow, no matter where they are from. So really, it's only humans that appear mostly caucasian.

[Thiefy]

MTN Dew Fanatic wrote...

I'm sorry, but like someone else said, it would be a little wierd considering Thedas is supposed to be Europe. You could also say: "Why aren't there any Japanese people?" or "Where are the Eskimos?"

It's not as hard as most of you make it out to be.

Honestly it's arguements like that, that make people think there are a lot of people here who DON'T want black/asian/hispanic/indian people in DAO. And you know what, yeah, that's going to ****** people off.

Thedas isn't Europe. Europe never had magic, or dragons, or demons. It's a fantasy game. If you can find a way to make 3-4ft midgets into 20ft rock giants, then ethinic diversity should not be an issue. In fact, it would only ADD more to the game.

[Tirigon]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...


Wow is it really THAT big a deal that some people would actually want NPCs and party members to look ethinically similar to them?  Seriously, and don't go on about how it doesn't fit and crap, because for crying out loud, there's demons that feed off of you while you sleep, dwarves are a race as opposed to a genetic defect, and you get to shank dragons that are easily x100 times your size (and do so with a cool a finishing blow, mind you) multiple times... it's not THAT farfetched to think black people or their in game equivalent would make a weapon shop, or be the advisor to some kind of prominent political figure or whatever. Considering all the other in game feats we accomplish I don't thing it's that hard or difficult to ninja a few black npcs into the game. Yeah, it's a fantasy game, so why is it so hard for people to imagine something other than white people in a given setting.

and i don't get why there are so many people against it either. it doesn't fit the environment? only if it can work properly? seriously? ever heard of a boat? marvelous contraption used to ferry over goods and people from one far away location to another. i hear the hero of DA2 will be using one in his/her adventures to get over to kirkwall. it's not as hard as you make it out to be, and yeah people are going to get upset when you tell them they don't belong someplace or have no business being there, especially over something so trivial as their looks.

i'm not even black, loved the first game to bits (bought it 3 times within the span of like 2 weeks, plus 2 guides, one paperback and one hardback) and i can understand why people are upset.  They aren't asking that you bend the will of thedas to their whims, they just want the same kind of immersion as everyone else, is all. I think it's even crappier that people would say there's not point to topics like this or they ought to be locked.

It's basically brushing people's concern under the rug because it makes other people feel umcomfortable. I mean would anyone here REALLY be upset if Bioware decided to add more African Americans/black people/(whatever word you prefer) into the game? Or is this whole fuss really about the TERM used in the title? We all know *exactly* what the OP was talking about and the attempts to turn this thread into political discussion about what's the right and wrong way to name something is nothing but a bunch of rabble rousing.

(and btw callo, this whole post isn't geared towards you, so please don't think it is my trying to attack you, as that was not my intention)

You make some vali points BUT Thedas is based on medieval Europe. So there are no blacks. That´s a fact.

Now, you could criticise "Why do they have to base every game on Europe?" and I´d be totally with you. It sucks, and games like Jade Empire show that it´s not necessary for a good game either.

It´s a fantasy game, not a medieval life simulator, and there is really NO reason why all humans should be white in this fantasy world (though they aren´t, ever seen Chasind?:innocent:)


However, BioWare made the mistake to base their game on medieval Europe, and therefore they have to stick with this or they make themselves ridiculous.

[Sigma Tauri]

Tirigon wrote...
However, BioWare made the mistake to base their game on medieval Europe

Bioware didn't make a mistake basing their game on medieval Europe. They don't have to explore race to create a self-contained world with diverse ethnicities.