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[Saibh]

PureMethodActor wrote...

Saibh wrote...

PureMethodActor wrote...

@ Saibh- Don't worry, I don't mind the tagline in the pic, and found it funny and actually supported your point. However, I still disagree with you even after looking at the pic. But everyone's opinions, eyes, and viewpoints are different. I just see something different than what you see...

I honestly don't see it. He doesn't have any of the features typically associated with Africans, besides dark skin.

The mouth, cheekbones, jaw, and other outlining structures are similar to African-Americans, at least, imo. I've seen lots of them who have similar features to Sten.

People of actual African countries, I'm not 100% about, but again, I originally said it was a parallel, not an exact replication.

Er, really? The most general features associated with Africans are wide, blunt noses, full lips, and defined cheekbones. Sten has a sharp, hooked nose, thin, angular lips, and very dramatic angles to his face (I could probably describe his entire face with "imagine a nose, but more angular" and so on).

I say Africans because African-Americans tend to have a ton of ancestry mixed in, making it much harder to attribute particular features.

DrRockso1551 wrote...

Says me

You have spoken. I withdraw my argument. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Saibh, 15 août 2010 - 12:40 .

[CalloNumenel]

How is making someone with dark skin breaking a barrier? The only reason Africans and people of African descent have darker skin is because of the exposure to UV radiation where their ancestors lived.

[Saibh]

CalloNumenel wrote...

How is making someone with dark skin breaking a barrier? The only reason Africans and people of African descent have darker skin is because of the exposure to UV radiation where their ancestors lived.

Here's why.

I'm not saying that BioWare is racist in the least, but it seems like a...strange question to ask. Some people have a strong cultural identity. Please don't be offended, but I'm just surprised you'd ask a question like that.

[Tirigon]

thatbwoyblu wrote...

I notice that the ongoing cliche in fantasy titles revolving around medieval times is to basically create enviorments with absolutely no African Americans.I think it would be both refreshing and ground breaking if Bioware  could figure out a way to incorporate a african American in a game like Dragon Age 2.

No. Implementing African Americans in a medieval setting without African Americans just for the sake of having the quota-black is racist. They shouldn´t do it.


Don´t get me wrong, if they DO find a way to implement it believably, why not? More diversity is always good, I think. They could even make a game where almost all people are black if its setting is in Africa or a similar region, but they shouldn´t implement it if it doesn´t fit just to break ground.


I mean, why not implement lightsabers and anti-matter guns in a medieval setting? It´s such an ongoing cliche that those don´t exist, they should break ground and put it in..

[CalloNumenel]

Saibh wrote...

CalloNumenel wrote...

How is making someone with dark skin breaking a barrier? The only reason Africans and people of African descent have darker skin is because of the exposure to UV radiation where their ancestors lived.

Here's why.

I'm not saying that BioWare is racist in the least, but it seems like a...strange question to ask. Some people have a strong cultural identity. Please don't be offended, but I'm just surprised you'd ask a question like that.

I'm not offended. I just don't see why it has to be African American. Why not say a hero with darker skin? I could say it would be breaking a barrier if they made a Canadian American hero. My point was that the skin color or origins of the heroes should not matter. I don't see their skin color as an issue and I don't see how this would be breaking any sort of barrier. Bioware lets you make your character any skin tone you wish. I would assume that if they were in fact racist this option would be limited to skin colors they felt were superior.

IMHO, people who assume they are superior because of their skin color are stupid.

[Tirigon]

CalloNumenel wrote...

IMHO, people who assume they are superior because of their skin color are stupid.

Indeed they are. Even more so as you can change your skin-color....

[Daryn Mercio]

Saibh wrote...

http://geography.abo.../Continents.htm

Depends on your definition--six or seven continents? 

Well Norht America and South America are Connected, or at least were before the Panama Canal, and Africa, Europe, and Asia are all connected by land. The only continent I can think of that actually qualifies as it's own is Antarctica. I'd actually say that Greenland and Australia are large enough to be considered continents

[Face of Evil]

Isn't the whole issue of skin colour irrelevant in a world that contains multiple sentient species?

Who cares about "black vs. white" when you have "shems vs. knife-ears"?

Modifié par Face of Evil, 15 août 2010 - 01:13 .

[Tirigon]

Face of Evil wrote...

Isn't the whole issue of skin colour irrelevant in a world that contains multiple sentient species?

Who cares about "black vs. white" when you have "shems vs. knife-ears"?

Indeed.

"On the discworld there is no racism. Speciesism is much more fun, what with trolls and all". (Terry Pratchett)


Damn you edited the quote in yourself. NINJA!!!!

Modifié par Tirigon, 15 août 2010 - 01:13 .

[Saibh]

Face of Evil wrote...

Isn't the whole issue of skin colour irrelevant in a world that contains multiple sentient species? I think Terry Pratchett said it best.

Racism was not a problem on the Discworld, because - what with trolls and dwarfs and so on - speciesism was more interesting. Black and white lived in perfect harmony and ganged up on green.

Er, it's not about there needing to be racism inside of Dragon Age. It's about a minority who would like to be represented.

[Daryn Mercio]

CalloNumenel wrote...

How is making someone with dark skin breaking a barrier? The only reason Africans and people of African descent have darker skin is because of the exposure to UV radiation where their ancestors lived.

Based on what I've learned in biology, black people dark skin is contributed to their melanin adapting to the extremely hot weather in Africa so the UV rays don't harm their skin, it isn't dark because the UV turned it dark, otherwise everyone could get a tan like that.

[Daryn Mercio]

slimgrin wrote...

DrRockso1551 wrote...

Sten was black

Individual interpretation will never ceases to amaze. He doesn't look black to me in the least, not in his skin color or features.

I agree. His nose is pointed and hooked, he has white hair, he has grey skin, and he has violet eyes.
Not a single black person I know has traits similar to this besides his corn rows.
And besides, the person in-game that seems the most black is the Bann in Awakenings that has control of most of the farmland of Amaranthine

[TheSimsMaster]

If it makes you feel any better, I'm going to make Hawke be a kick ass, black chick. ;-)

[Daryn Mercio]

TheSimsMaster wrote...

If it makes you feel any better, I'm going to make Hawke be a kick ass, black chick. ;-)

You just gave me a good idea for my female character

[Torhagen]

Why do you think there is a barrier ?

Although a bit more of a mix wouldnt hurt and ofc then we need all kinds of people not just those you mentioned

[Face of Evil]

Saibh wrote...

Er, it's not about there needing to be racism inside of Dragon Age. It's about a minority who would like to be represented.

*Shrugs*

I personally wouldn't care if every single character in the game was dark-skinned. The fact that they're human is far more important in the context of the setting.

But if it's important that we get black people into the game, why not make the same argument for Asians? Or east Indians? Or First Nations people?

Modifié par Face of Evil, 15 août 2010 - 01:31 .

[zorx_again]

thatbwoyblu wrote...

If you look at my avatar you would see that I tryed making my character BLU black and he ended up looking like a white person with a tan so what do you guy mean when you say you can make "black characters".Maybe I did something wrong?

Yeah, to me it also looks like a Caucasian race (and that's all of Europe + Middle East). Dark skin tone yes - maybe something like Arabian (which is Caucasian), but African black no.

Modifié par zorx_again, 15 août 2010 - 01:57 .

[Saibh]

Face of Evil wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Er, it's not about there needing to be racism inside of Dragon Age. It's about a minority who would like to be represented.

*Shrugs*

I personally wouldn't care if every single character in the game was dark-skinned. The fact that they're human is far more important in the context of the setting.

But if it's important that we get black people into the game, why not make the same argument for Asians? Or east Indians? Or First Nations people?

I don't know, they aren't asking? I don't have a problem with minorities campaigning to be represented, but they're generally the ones who want to campaign in the first place.

Also, it's pretty impossible to create a man or a woman with African features with the Character Creator tool (again, I don't have a problem with this because of the setting), but you can make Asians or Indians or any other sort of ethnicity far easier. I only recall seeing a few Asians, and we don't know what ethnicity the Rivaini represent.

[falon-din]

Both my Shepards (ME1 and ME2) are handsome African Americans.

Back when I made my first I thought ME1 had as many PC voice actors as it had PC racial features because the voice sounded to me like a perfect fit.

As you can see, my warden is not a honky either.

GTA protagonists are not white and they seem to be doing quite fine. Assassin's Creed Arab protagonist was A GREAT IDEA!!

I think it has to do with 'breaking barriers' like you said. We want fantasy worlds that are truly diverse and in some ways alien and fresh. It is always better when you dive into something truly truly different.

[Sigma Tauri]

Saibh wrote...
we don't know what ethnicity the Rivaini represent.

I've read in the wiki that people compared the Rivaini to Islamic Spain, but that sounds like a deceptive expectation since the Rivaini are also syncretic pantheists.

[Saibh]

falon-din wrote...

Both my Shepards (ME1 and ME2) are handsome African Americans.
Back when I made my first I thought ME1 had as many PC voice actors as it had PC racial features because the voice sounded to me like a perfect fit.
As you can see, my warden is not a honky either.
GTA protagonists are not white and they seem to be doing quite fine. Assassin's Creed Arab protagonist was A GREAT IDEA!!
I think it has to do with 'breaking barriers' like you said. We want fantasy worlds that are truly diverse and in some ways alien and fresh. It is always better when you dive into something truly truly different.

Assassin's Creed 1's setting was in the Middle East during the Crusades. So you had an Arabic protagonist.

Mass Effect's setting is in the far future, where humanity has become more of a melting pot.

GTA is in the modern world; again, melting pot.

Dragon Age is based off of medieval Europe. It's not "breaking barriers" to include some sort of black-equivalent culture, it just has to do with the setting and time period. Standard fantasy setting, Medieval European Fantasy, take your pick.