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[Onyx Jaguar]

Considering the transport of people from Africa to Europe, it wouldn't be that far fetched to see those of African descent in European areas.  Back in the old Greek and Roman Empires anyway.

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 15 août 2010 - 03:25 .

[Annihilator27]

I would like to see black in DA2. Rivian's seem to be the black people in this setting. Also I want to make a black Hawke.

[Sigma Tauri]

Saibh wrote...

Dragon Age is based off of medieval Europe. It's not "breaking barriers" to include some sort of black-equivalent culture, it just has to do with the setting and time period. Standard fantasy setting, Medieval European Fantasy, take your pick.

I'm not convinced that not including black people in the series's beginning is anything but a self-imposed limitation.

[Wingedbeastie]

I always feel kinda awkward when these kinds of conversations come up in fandom. I mean, no one wants to be constantly see that their culture is only acceptable within certain parameters - which I sort of feel about the way not!white protagonists often portrayed.



Not to mention that these type of discussions run risk of going sour really, reeeally quickly and that kind of drama is not needed EVER.



So I usually just opt to see what the people who are working on this want to do. I mean lets look at this logically.



There is some overarching story they want to tell, I'm sure and I am uncomfortable with demanding a protagonist that looks like me if it would somehow compromise the story they are working on.



When asking about something like this, I think we all need to keep in mind that there is no America/England/ whatever Earth Country you want to name. Whatever real world events you are using in your arguments for or against having a darker colored PC or NPC have not/will not happened.



We don't know if Ferelden has ever had human slaves, we don't know any of their alliances or political relationships aside from Orlais and Antiva (barely, from what I understand). Maybe Bioware already working on it and they want to keep it a surprise.



There's just so much we don't know that I can't bring myself to call for a meaningful "black" character - not without knowing much more than we do about the world at large.

[B3taMaxxx]

I'm sure if the game was developed by an African developer we'd be asking for the opposite. Meaning we mimic what we know. I don't think there's any kind of hidden agenda here poeple.

[falon-din]

Self-imposed or context-imposed it is still a barrier that is as good as broken.

[Sigma Tauri]

falon-din wrote...

Self-imposed or context-imposed it is still a barrier that is as good as broken.

That's not your call or anyone's but the devs, which is what I want to make a point about.

Also, AnjintheBeast, wise words.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 15 août 2010 - 04:30 .

[Wingedbeastie]

 I would really like to see a protagonist of color in this series, however there is so much we don't know about this game and the world in DA for us to be leaning too far either way.
But most importantly, the desire for a meaningful "black" character means that we must ask the question:

What does it mean to be "black"?

After all, it does not simply come down to appearance - although it seems like it would be. There's also the cultural experiences we have, individual personality and experiences, level of education any number of factors

Being "black" implies a lot of characteristics and not all of them are positive.  How do we avoid stereotyping? How do we avoid a character that appears to be a palette swap of a white character.

Honestly it involves a lot of consideration for the people of a country that doesn't even exist in the context of the story.

I think we should trust our story tellers, after all they know a lot more about this world than we will.

[falon-din]

Good point! Stereotyping is NOT welcome!!
I don't want a dragon slayer who has the hip-hop walk and talk OMG!!

But still a decent man of color would be greatly appreciated.

Modifié par falon-din, 15 août 2010 - 04:57 .

[B3taMaxxx]

falon-din wrote...

Good point! Stereotying is NOT welcome!!
I don't want a dragon slayer who has the hip-hop walk and talk OMG!!

 I hear 50cent is looking for work.

falon-din wrote...
But still a decent man of color would be greatly appreciated.

 There's no shortage of great actors who'd be willing to do voiceovers, much less be modeled after.

[Face of Evil]

Face of Evil wrote...

But if it's important that we get black people into the game, why not make the same argument for Asians? Or east Indians? Or First Nations people?

Saibh wrote...

I don't know, they aren't asking?

Oh, so that's how we're promoting equality right now? And it's totally OK to exclude other nationalities from the game because nobody's chewed out Bioware yet?

"Sure, we're willing to shoehorn some black people into the game now that we're getting complaints about it! We'll just pretend these other nationalities don't exist until we get some flak."

The only way to be fair is to alter Dragon Age 2 so that Thedas becomes an exact duplicate of our Earth, complete with every ethnicity and nationality in the world. There should be equal representation from every group amongst the NPCs. Also, we should dispense with the dwarves, elves, qunari, darkspawn and any dragons to avoid any unpleasant associations with these groups. We don't want to raise a ruckus by having the Blight emerge in central Africa or South America, do we?

And to avoid accusations of favouritism or bias towards a particular ethnicity or nationality by portraying the main character as being from that group, Hawke will now be a robot.

Anything less and I will be GRAVELY insulted.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 15 août 2010 - 05:31 .

[Chuvvy]

Has anyone rolled a black Shepard? It's really weird. I'd imagine there would be a very similar experience for rolling a black Hawke. No matter how cool Black Hawke sounds, like Blaxploitation movie detective. Black Hawke, I can see him now in a purple suit with a big afro, black platform shoes and a gold chain with an african medallion. Obviously it'd need to take place in the 70's. He could team up with Shaft. They'd drive a Cadillac of course. I got really off topic there.

Obligatory

I can dig it Isaac.

Modifié par Slidell505, 15 août 2010 - 05:20 .

[falon-din]

I rolled two black Shepards (ME1, ME2) and they were my only ones.

First name: Adam

[hoysexyjew]

Not all black people are African Americans OP, some are just Africans... Dragon age also seems to be lacking an America...



crazy, huh?



Also, I couldn't help but see the Irony in the fact that your avatar is black >.>

[Seifz]

hoysexyjew wrote...

Not all black people are African Americans OP, some are just Africans... Dragon age also seems to be lacking an America...

crazy, huh?

I skipped pages 2-8, so I don't know if anyone's really addressed this.  See, in America, there's a bunch of incredibly annoying people that insist we be "politically correct" with just about everything.  We can't have black people.  They're "African Americans".  Nevermind that many of them aren't from Africa and many of them aren't US citizens.  "Black" isn't politically correct.  It's offense!  Or something... It's all pretty ridiculous, but it's something that they start throwing at us when we're very young.  It happens with whites and American Indians, too.  Bah.

Anyway, I have no problem with the way things are in DA: O.  There aren't black people in Ferelden, so we didn't see black people.  If there are black people in another land, we'll see them.  There's no hidden agenda.  It's a fantasty game.  Why does every fantasy setting have to have blacks, asians, hispanics, jews, whites, etc.?  It's not Earth.

[Riona45]

Seifz wrote...
We can't have black people.  They're "African Americans".  Nevermind that many of them aren't from Africa and many of them aren't US citizens.  "Black" isn't politically correct.  It's offense!  Or something...

Hmm, I haven't heard that "black" is now considered a bad word. 

[Wingedbeastie]

[expletive] being "PC". I'm black, black is the word I've always used and as long as I see no racial slurs, I'm perfectly fine.

[thegreateski]

Yes because there were so many people of African decent running around Ye olde England.

[Bryy_Miller]

Seifz wrote...
 It's all pretty ridiculous, but it's something that they start throwing at us when we're very young.  It happens with whites and American Indians, too.  Bah.

You mean that ethnicities have HISTORY? Surely you jest, good sir!

[B3taMaxxx]

Riona45 wrote...

Seifz wrote...
We can't have black people.  They're "African Americans".  Nevermind that many of them aren't from Africa and many of them aren't US citizens.  "Black" isn't politically correct.  It's offense!  Or something...

Hmm, I haven't heard that "black" is now considered a bad word. 

 I don't know, but I've always thought the term "African American" did a disservice. I do understand the origins, and that from my distance I cannot fully understand its meaning. I've always felt it better to considered American, and to be first and foremost proud of that fact.

 Perhaps it's that, or the fact that many of us caucasion Americans have such a checkered (mixed) past, that we can't identify with a particular nationality. Though, to be factual, West Africa differs from East just as much as Germany from Scottland. 

[Bryy_Miller]

PureMethodActor wrote...

Of course I don't use any of these terms, I think of them just as "people"

You know, nobody will tell you this, but being colorblind is quite a lame concept. Don't be acting on RACE, sure, but don't IGNORE that someone is not your race. There are Racial Identities and Cultures that you would be a fool for ignoring.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Seifz wrote...
 It's all pretty ridiculous, but it's something that they start throwing at us when we're very young.  It happens with whites and American Indians, too.  Bah.

You mean that ethnicities have HISTORY? Surely you jest, good sir!

History between ethnicities shouldn't presuppose racial guilt. All political correctness does is highlight the differences between us and thus drive a further wedge between communities.

Thread'll get locked if it keeps on this vein, anyhow. Should've been locked after the first post anyway.