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[Ceceque]

first of all I'd like to say that I'm not that familiar with DA lore and neither have I read the whole forum, s excuse me if this sounds foolish, or if it has been suggested before (if it has post  link in a response and lock this thread please)

After reading a  bit about the old gods and Flemeth an idea that Flemeth if a god child came into my mind. Not the one that Morrigan is being pregnant after origins, but one from one of the previous Blights. Some thingstht might point to her being a god child:

She is known to be possessed by an unspecified demon, who is preventing her soul to enter the fade after her body is dead. I believe that it is not a demon, but an Archdemon's soul. During the dark ritual the soul of the infant is tied together with the soul of the old god, and it rather possible that once awakened god cannot enter the fade, which is why he cannot be killed by a normal person.

Flemeth can feel the archedemon similarly to how GWs feel it. In the beginning of the game she tels the Warden that this Bliht is more dangerous than everyone expects. How would she know, unless she has an gods soul inside of her?

I let the rest of speculation on you, DA lore masters. Please do comment, I'm looking forward to see what you all think of this.

[Ceceque]

Another thing: do the words Flemeth and Morrigan mean anything in any language? It is quite a popular thing in rpgs to give names that even only resemble a word in some language, if it does it might give us a clue of what really Flameth really is.

[AlexXIV]

Ceceque wrote...

first of all I'd like to say that I'm not that familiar with DA lore and neither have I read the whole forum, s excuse me if this sounds foolish, or if it has been suggested before (if it has post  link in a response and lock this thread please)

After reading a  bit about the old gods and Flemeth an idea that Flemeth if a god child came into my mind. Not the one that Morrigan is being pregnant after origins, but one from one of the previous Blights. Some thingstht might point to her being a god child:

She is known to be possessed by an unspecified demon, who is preventing her soul to enter the fade after her body is dead. I believe that it is not a demon, but an Archdemon's soul. During the dark ritual the soul of the infant is tied together with the soul of the old god, and it rather possible that once awakened god cannot enter the fade, which is why he cannot be killed by a normal person.

Flemeth can feel the archedemon similarly to how GWs feel it. In the beginning of the game she tels the Warden that this Bliht is more dangerous than everyone expects. How would she know, unless she has an gods soul inside of her?

I let the rest of speculation on you, DA lore masters. Please do comment, I'm looking forward to see what you all think of this.

My personal speculation is that Flemeth is Razikale, Old God of Mystery. One of the two who are not dead yet. The first 4 Archdemons are confirmed dead, so only the others are left. If you look at it, Flemeth does possess the abilities of a god. She is immortal, even if killed. She is powerful, and we can only speculate on the amount of her powers, and she can heal, if not even bring people back from the dead. I mean, Alister and the GW were good as dead on top of the tower.
 
EDIT: Also she has the ability to manipulate and foresee things that nobody else notices. That's pretty close to fortune telling or having deep insight in the things that happen in the world.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 14 août 2010 - 03:06 .

[Risax]

Ceceque wrote...

Another thing: do the words Flemeth and Morrigan mean anything in any language? It is quite a popular thing in rpgs to give names that even only resemble a word in some language, if it does it might give us a clue of what really Flameth really is.

The Morrigan is a powerfull witch who can shapeshift into a raven in Irish mytholegy.
I don't know anything about the name Flemeth though.

[Ceceque]

"One of the two who are not dead yet."

Might be true, but I always thought along the lines that she has the spirit of a defeated old god inside of her, would make more sence imho.



"bring people back from the dead"

That would mean braking a cardinal rule of magic which is not happening very often, like almost never ever. I assume warden and Alistar were just heavily wounded when she got to them.



"The Morrigan is a powerfull witch who can shapeshift into a raven in Irish mytholegy."

This sounds quite reasonable.



"I don't know anything about the name Flemeth though."

Too bad:(

[AlexXIV]

Ceceque wrote...

"One of the two who are not dead yet."
Might be true, but I always thought along the lines that she has the spirit of a defeated old god inside of her, would make more sence imho.

"bring people back from the dead"
That would mean braking a cardinal rule of magic which is not happening very often, like almost never ever. I assume warden and Alistar were just heavily wounded when she got to them.

"The Morrigan is a powerfull witch who can shapeshift into a raven in Irish mytholegy."
This sounds quite reasonable.

"I don't know anything about the name Flemeth though."
Too bad:(

Well whether she is the old dragon or possessed or uses the soul is not clear for me either. She reminds me of Ravel in Planescape:Torment though.

You can revive people in combat, and you can heal, so bringing people back from death is imho just something that requires 'more power' but isn' t impossible. And Flemeth somehow survives the GW killing her, so ... for me it would not be a big surprise.

[KLUME777]

Not to mention, how else would Morrigan know about the Dark Ritual if Flemeth was not an Old God.



I think Flemeth is an Old God.

[Oblivious]

There were 4 prior Blights and there are 4 dead heroes (the Wardens who killed them). So she isnt an Old God, at least not an Archdemon. I think that Pride demons have a heirarchy based on power or at least some dark masters (I think I read it on the wiki), wouldn't surprise me if Flemeth was possessed by one of them and simply grew stronger.



As for the Cardinal Rules: I don't think that the one who wrote it was a centuries old abomination who could spirit-hop and morph into dragons.

[AlexXIV]

Oblivious wrote...

There were 4 prior Blights and there are 4 dead heroes (the Wardens who killed them). So she isnt an Old God, at least not an Archdemon. I think that Pride demons have a heirarchy based on power or at least some dark masters (I think I read it on the wiki), wouldn't surprise me if Flemeth was possessed by one of them and simply grew stronger.

As for the Cardinal Rules: I don't think that the one who wrote it was a centuries old abomination who could spirit-hop and morph into dragons.

Well I guess you assume only darkspawn can awake 'Old Gods'. But there is two things, firstly some Darkspawn are intelligent (like the Architect), so it is possible that they tried something different with one of the Old Gods. Secondly a powerful group of mages could have tried to find an Old God before the Darkspawn reached it. That's basically what I would do if I was a Grey Warden, to prevent the next Blight before it even starts. And they could have freed one before it got tainted. And maybe this one became Flemeth or Flemeth was one of the mages and got possessed or something. There are more options than waiting 400 years for an ancient evil to try to wipe out all of Thedas.

[Oblivious]

If that were the case then that means instead of having 2 epic sequels we get stuck with one. I guess Bioware could also give us these spin-off sequels (I consider them spin-offs because I always thought the Wardens and the Archdemons were the main characters. Same for Jedi and Sith). No offense, but I hope you are wrong: the idea of fighting two archdemons or having two more blights in the same century is just too awesome.

[AlexXIV]

Oblivious wrote...

If that were the case then that means instead of having 2 epic sequels we get stuck with one. I guess Bioware could also give us these spin-off sequels (I consider them spin-offs because I always thought the Wardens and the Archdemons were the main characters. Same for Jedi and Sith). No offense, but I hope you are wrong: the idea of fighting two archdemons or having two more blights in the same century is just too awesome.

Well the Dragonage games play in the Dragon Age. There won't be another blight in this age unless someone manipulates it. And I guess Old Gods are even dangerous if they are not Archdemon but 'only' near immortal Dragons able to wield all kinds of magic.

[Oblivious]

As we saw with Flemeth, when it takes 4 people to take her down and one of them isn't her I.W.I.N daughter (IMO if DA:O was a book only 4 people deserve to be overpowered. Morrigan, Wynne, Alistair, and the Mage Warden) then Old Gods aren't that much of a threat to Ferelden

[AlexXIV]

Oblivious wrote...

As we saw with Flemeth, when it takes 4 people to take her down and one of them isn't her I.W.I.N daughter (IMO if DA:O was a book only 4 people deserve to be overpowered. Morrigan, Wynne, Alistair, and the Mage Warden) then Old Gods aren't that much of a threat to Ferelden

Well I guess I could take Barrack Obama down on my own in a 1 vs 1 fight, but that doesn't make me more powerful. I agree if Flemeth could overtake Thedas with brute force alone it would probably have happened already. But she is being manipulative.

[captain.subtle]

You are reading too much into her without enough info. She may not have dictatorial intentions after all...

[AlexXIV]

captain.subtle wrote...

You are reading too much into her without enough info. She may not have dictatorial intentions after all...

Well she started to get rude after Morrigan joined my party, so I have a rather bad feeling about her.

[captain.subtle]

Me too.



But I am also puzzled.

[Merced256]

I just don't want morrigan to use god baby like flemeth supposedly intended to use morrigan.



I want god baby to grow up and be a Raistlinesque sort of character.

[Kaldelar]

When I first heard the legend of Flemeth (by either Leliana or Morrigan), I immediately thought of Queen Akasha of Khemet - the Queen of the Damned (Anne Rice, vampire novels). Like Akasha, Flemeth was infused with a demon (or spirit, depending on point of view) and afterwards, she wasn't Flemeth anymore, nor was she the demon. She was something new, unique and more importantly: greater than she had been in either form.



Of course Flemeth doesn't bite people or form a religion around herself. But anyway, I think that Flemeth is just as she appears: a unique being that is neither demon nor woman.

[AlexXIV]

Kaldelar wrote...

When I first heard the legend of Flemeth (by either Leliana or Morrigan), I immediately thought of Queen Akasha of Khemet - the Queen of the Damned (Anne Rice, vampire novels). Like Akasha, Flemeth was infused with a demon (or spirit, depending on point of view) and afterwards, she wasn't Flemeth anymore, nor was she the demon. She was something new, unique and more importantly: greater than she had been in either form.

Of course Flemeth doesn't bite people or form a religion around herself. But anyway, I think that Flemeth is just as she appears: a unique being that is neither demon nor woman.

Well some say Flemeth seduces men and devours them afterwards. So she does bite.

[captain.subtle]

I never heard the devour part.. but I heard something about stealing souls....

[Kaldelar]

AlexXIV wrote...
Well some say Flemeth seduces men and devours them afterwards. So she does bite.

Only if she chews

[AlexXIV]

captain.subtle wrote...

I never heard the devour part.. but I heard something about stealing souls....

Might be a myth, I remember it being mentioned but couldn't even say when and where or who ...

[captain.subtle]

hmm.. perhaps Daveth did say something of that sort.

[Kaldelar]

You might be thinking of Morrigan when she retells the legends of the Chasind regarding the Witches of the Wilds and what they do to small boys of their tribes ("... and dragged the boy, kicking and screaming to their lair to be devoured", or something like that)?

[Funny_chan]

Also, don't forget that Flemeth transforms into a dragon and that once killed she will instantly try to posses a suitable vessel (remember the reason Morrigan didn't want to accompany the warden when he went to kill her mother), just like the Archdemon.