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[filetemo]

jln.francisco wrote...



Wow, that's... really pathetic.

do you believe the world of dragon age and the fade were created by intelligent design yes or not?

what's pathetic it's you dodging this question

[Daerog]

Well, if the Maker is an all powerful god, and the one that created everything, then I would think such a god even predates blood magic since it/he/she would also be around before there was even blood. So, no blood magic necessary, as this is a god and not a puny mortal wishing to warp reality.

The only sealing away of gods is the Elven Pantheon and the Forgotten Ones, but there wasn't a war (that we officially know of), but they were tricked into being sealed away into their respective realms to no longer interfere/walk with mortals.

They don't stay away because of blood magic. Elf gods are sealed away (except the wolf), Maker is believed to have left due to disappointment or is still present and subtly influencing some people (Leliana's belief).

The gods/religions in this game should not be seen as DnD kind of religions. Also, I'm not sure blood magic is the most powerful kind of magic, as not everything has blood for one, and it seems to be of a more convenient way to do magic (like the easy route). I think blight magic is more powerful than blood magic in anycase as long as the wielder of blight magic is sentient and knows what he/she/it is doing.

[captain.subtle]

[quote]AntiChri5 wrote...

[quote]captain.subtle wrote...

I would like to point out (for the above discussion) that the Golden city precedes all the civs (perhaps even Elven).
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Source?

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David Gaider's post. I would have to search for it though.. sorry for that..

[quote]Elves are the oldest civs known and their thoelogy starts with a preformed world. One may assume that the Fade exists at least since then or before.

The Golden city is NOT a random object in the fade, It is the only unchanging thing there. That means it was not created by Spirits whose creations change constantly. I wonder who created it.[/quote]

Wrong.

[quote]The Codex......
No traveler to the Fade can fail to spot the Black City. It is one of the few constants of that ever-changing place. No matter where one might be, the city is visible. (Always far off, for it seems that the only rule of geography in the Fade is that all points are equidistant from the Black City.)
The Chant teaches that the Black City was once the seat of theMaker, from whence He ruled the Fade, left empty when men turned away from Him. Dreamers do not go there, nor do spirits. Even the most powerful demons seem to avoid the place.
It was golden and beautiful once, so the story goes, until a group of powerful magister-lords from the Tevinter Imperium devised a means of breaking in. When they did so, their presence defiled the city, turning it black. (Which was, perhaps, the least of their worries.)
--From Beyond the Veil: Spirits and Demons, by Enchanter Mirdromel[/quote][/quote]

Wonderful observation. Now I am curious as to if there are others or not. But I still think its the only one.

Modifié par captain.subtle, 14 août 2010 - 10:44 .

[captain.subtle]

I would like to point out that Chantry's maker may not be the real creator if there is one. Chantry being wrong does not automatically mean that there is no creator.

[captain.subtle]

Black city is the ONLy constant feature.



http://old.dragonage...ngle/1248534720

[captain.subtle]

jln.francisco wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

I would like to point out that Chantry's maker may not be the real creator if there is one. Chantry being wrong does not automatically mean that there is no creator.

I don't disagree. I just don't think there's any reason to believe there is one given what the game tells you.

OK.

Current knowldge of the lore tells us:

1) There is magic
2) There are spirits
3) There is a Black city
4) There is an afterlife (comic)

Unless you think you have arguments based on actual lore against this there is a good chance that there may be a creator.

[filetemo]

jln.francisco wrote...

filetemo wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...



Wow, that's... really pathetic.

do you believe the world of dragon age and the fade were created by intelligent design yes or not?

what's pathetic it's you dodging this question

I don't know because we know JACK NILL about Thedas.

I'm gonna tell you what: you believed in the maker till the very moment I entered this thread.

So let's just pretend that David Gaider enters this thread and says: "ok guys, here's the thruth: there's NO maker, the chantry lies. Tevinter magisters entered the golden city, which was built by some desire demon, and when they entered it, some strange magical reaction vanished them from there and turned them into darkspawn, when peope dies they just vanish because there's no afterlife since there never has existed a maker, because the world was created by an explosion of lyrium in the vacuum of space"

would you feel "relieved"? would you feel "just fine"?would you say "I told you so"?

Tell me

[AntiChri5]

captain.subtle wrote...

Black city is the ONLy constant feature.

http://old.dragonage...ngle/1248534720

Looks like we have a lore contradiction here.

Im willing to accept that Gaider is right and that part of the codex entry codex entry is an oversight.

[filetemo]

captain.subtle wrote...

I would like to point out that Chantry's maker may not be the real creator if there is one. Chantry being wrong does not automatically mean that there is no creator.

God, Allah, Buddah, Maker, Raptor Jesus

[AntiChri5]

filetemo wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

I would like to point out that Chantry's maker may not be the real creator if there is one. Chantry being wrong does not automatically mean that there is no creator.

God, Allah, Buddah, Maker, Raptor Jesus

Stop trying to force a connection to real world religion.

[filetemo]

AntiChri5 wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

Black city is the ONLy constant feature.

http://old.dragonage...ngle/1248534720

Looks like we have a lore contradiction here.

no we don't, you desperately held on the black city "changing of color when the magisters entered it" to call it a non-constant for that simple detail.

[thegreateski]

So the Black city is one of several locations in the Fade where there is a constant?



Very strange.



I still maintain that they are the homes of powerful Fade spirits.

[AntiChri5]

filetemo wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

Black city is the ONLy constant feature.

http://old.dragonage...ngle/1248534720

Looks like we have a lore contradiction here.

no we don't, you desperately held on the black city "changing of color when the magisters entered it" to call it a non-constant for that simple detail.

No, i didnt.

The Codex entry i quoted describes it as ONE OF the only constant locations.

[filetemo]

AntiChri5 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

I would like to point out that Chantry's maker may not be the real creator if there is one. Chantry being wrong does not automatically mean that there is no creator.

God, Allah, Buddah, Maker, Raptor Jesus

Stop trying to force a connection to real world religion.

chantry religion has a god, a prophet and an original sin, so it's based on real world religions

[captain.subtle]

@francisco:

No I don't. How does my knowledge of mythology connect to lore in the DA?

Modifié par captain.subtle, 14 août 2010 - 10:57 .

[AntiChri5]

filetemo wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

filetemo wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

I would like to point out that Chantry's maker may not be the real creator if there is one. Chantry being wrong does not automatically mean that there is no creator.

God, Allah, Buddah, Maker, Raptor Jesus

Stop trying to force a connection to real world religion.

chantry religion has a god, a prophet and an original sin, so it's based on real world religions

And your attempt to get the thread completely derailed by trying to make it about our real world religious views in an attempt to discredit our opinion is absurd and will only get the thread locked.

[captain.subtle]

Let's stop talking about real life religions ok?