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[captain.subtle]

1) Involves Blood being spilt/ Drunk/boiled
2) may involve Souls being devoured/exchanged/transfered....
3) Sometimes used for mind-control

Good or Bad?

[AlexXIV]

captain.subtle wrote...

1) Involves Blood being spilt/ Drunk/boiled
2) may involve Souls being devoured/exchanged/transfered....
3) Sometimes used for mind-control

Good or Bad?

Good if I use it on others and bad if others use it on me ... I guess.

[SteveGarbage]

Blood Magic, like any other magic or any other weapons - a sword, dagger, etc. - is just a tool. The tools themselves are not inherently evil. Only the way they are used or the societal labels placed upon them make them so. Using your blood as a medium for spellcasting is no more "evil" than using lyrium.



Blood Magic mostly a bad rep because the Chantry has declared that it is evil and the Chantry wields immeasurable power and influence in the world of Dragon Age. Some of the potentials applications of Blood Magic also can yield less than moral results - for example stripping a person of their free will through magic - but in general I'm pretty neutral on the topic.



It's similar to if you think of nuclear energy. Nuclear energy is neither good or evil and can be used in both capacities as a means to generate electricity to serve people or as a means to blow them all to kingdom come.

[Dave of Canada]

The magic itself isn't good or evil, although the source of it... questionable.

[Fishy]

Dave of Canada wrote...

The magic itself isn't good or evil, although the source of it... questionable.

A gun it's not evil either . But normaly you don't hug ppl with a gun .

[captain.subtle]

SteveGarbage wrote...

Blood Magic, like any other magic or any other weapons - a sword, dagger, etc. - is just a tool. The tools themselves are not inherently evil. Only the way they are used or the societal labels placed upon them make them so. Using your blood as a medium for spellcasting is no more "evil" than using lyrium.

Blood Magic mostly a bad rep because the Chantry has declared that it is evil and the Chantry wields immeasurable power and influence in the world of Dragon Age. Some of the potentials applications of Blood Magic also can yield less than moral results - for example stripping a person of their free will through magic - but in general I'm pretty neutral on the topic.

It's similar to if you think of nuclear energy. Nuclear energy is neither good or evil and can be used in both capacities as a means to generate electricity to serve people or as a means to blow them all to kingdom come.

Production of nuclear energy does not require you to hurt youself or others.

[Dave of Canada]

Suprez30 wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

The magic itself isn't good or evil, although the source of it... questionable.

A gun it's not evil either . But normaly you don't hug ppl with a gun .

You hug them in the hopes that they feel the love and don't shoot you?

[captain.subtle]

jln.francisco wrote...
Blood Magic is basically Spirit Magic but only blood magic is viewed as evil despite both being capable of almost the same feats with spirit magic just being a weaker version.

                                                                                             


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jln.francisco wrote...

Production of nuclear energy does not require you to hurt youself or others.

Neither
does the use of Blood Magic. Jowan doesn't kill anyone on his way out
of the Tower he simply immobilizes them for a short time while he
escapes.

He hurts himself.

Modifié par captain.subtle, 14 août 2010 - 08:49 .

[Dave of Canada]

jln.francisco wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

The magic itself isn't good or evil, although the source of it... questionable.

I often wonder about that. Avernus claims Blood Magic comes from Demons but we also know that Spirit Magic comes directly from the Fade with the two being almost indistinguishable. The Codex mentions it's difficult for non mages to tell the difference between the two but I'm not entirely convinced there is a difference.

Blood Magic is basically Spirit Magic but only blood magic is viewed as evil despite both being capable of almost the same feats with spirit magic just being a weaker version.

But there's also kind spirits in the Fade, such as Justice and the Wynne-spirit-thing for example. It's probably why Spirit Magic tend to be less... dangerous to yourself and everybody around you. We can also sort of confirm that Blood Magic is involved with demons because of the manner a mage gets it ingame.

[Heimdall]

jln.francisco wrote...

Production of nuclear energy does not require you to hurt youself or others.

Neither does the use of Blood Magic. Jowan doesn't kill anyone on his way out of the Tower he simply immobilizes them for a short time while he escapes.

How is stabbing humself in the hand not hurting himself?

[lv12medic]

I always assumed Blood magic was just magic that used the lyrium already in your or someone else's bloodstream or something, not run by demons. I guess you learn something new everyday.



I originally thought that because lyrium seems to be a mineral so its probably has a small amount spread in the whole environment including the soil (a certain parts per million or billion or something like that). So plants suck it up, herbivores eat it up, carnivores shred it up, and people end up with a certain amount of it in them from food sources. Anyways... I'm over analyzing things again. Magic appears to be my brain's arch-nemesis.

[captain.subtle]

lv12medic wrote...

I always assumed Blood magic was just magic that used the lyrium already in your or someone else's bloodstream or something, not run by demons. I guess you learn something new everyday.

I originally thought that because lyrium seems to be a mineral so its probably has a small amount spread in the whole environment including the soil (a certain parts per million or billion or something like that). So plants suck it up, herbivores eat it up, carnivores shred it up, and people end up with a certain amount of it in them from food sources. Anyways... I'm over analyzing things again.

Lyrium if directly brought into contact with Mages acoording to the lore (as opposed to gameplay) Kills them instantly.

Magic appears to be my brain's arch-nemesis.

<3:wub: That is the only sensible thing about magic I heard so far. It ought to. Magic MEANS exactly that.

[Danjaru]

I guess blood magic is bad to some degree, using your own blood, or life force of others to cast your spells aren't really considered good traits. Sure using your own blood to attack others would be no worse than using normal spirit magic, but blood magic goes way beyond just using your own blood. So overall, not good, and even worse that it's usually taught by demons and the person using it is very questionable (was fun having Wynne as blood mage though, oh, the irony).

[Sir JK]

I think the primary problem with blood magic is that it lends itself very well to abuse. Partly because of the immense power the method allows, partly because of the fact that one can use the blood or even lives of others to fuel the magic and partly because it allows spells like mind control and similar.



In theory it's just a normal tool that can be used both for good (allthough as far as I can see, it's good uses are fairly limited and just indirect ones) and for bad. It's just that it's so easy to start doing bad with it (remember, the path to hell is paved with good intentions) and so much more difficult to stop a blood mage than a regular mage (which in itself is a very difficult task). The costs of blood magic vastly outweigh the benfits (with the odd exception).



Another problem is that often the excess power provided by blood magic is simply not neccesary, meaning that there's no real legitimate reason to turn to it in the first place.



Not to mention that I find the thought of mind control really scary... Imagine being a prisoner in your own body, just being able to look out of your eyes as your arms and legs moves as if run by a puppeteer. Not having control of anything you do but being forced to witness and experience it.



So overall I'd say that turning to blood magic is more often than not a bad thing. There might be the odd situation where you have to turn to it, but those are rare and far inbetween.

[captain.subtle]

Sir JK wrote...

I think the primary problem with blood magic is that it lends itself very well to abuse. Partly because of the immense power the method allows, partly because of the fact that one can use the blood or even lives of others to fuel the magic and partly because it allows spells like mind control and similar.

In theory it's just a normal tool that can be used both for good (allthough as far as I can see, it's good uses are fairly limited and just indirect ones) and for bad. It's just that it's so easy to start doing bad with it (remember, the path to hell is paved with good intentions) and so much more difficult to stop a blood mage than a regular mage (which in itself is a very difficult task). The costs of blood magic vastly outweigh the benfits (with the odd exception).

Another problem is that often the excess power provided by blood magic is simply not neccesary, meaning that there's no real legitimate reason to turn to it in the first place.

Not to mention that I find the thought of mind control really scary... Imagine being a prisoner in your own body, just being able to look out of your eyes as your arms and legs moves as if run by a puppeteer. Not having control of anything you do but being forced to witness and experience it.

So overall I'd say that turning to blood magic is more often than not a bad thing. There might be the odd situation where you have to turn to it, but those are rare and far inbetween.

I agree. Very nicely put. Read the codex on Scrolls of Bannastor, if you find the time.

[Sir JK]

The problem with using blood as a powersource is that people need it to live. It doesn't take losing much to put someone in mortal danger. If you use your own you will quickly lose focus, become exhausted and dizzy, perhaps even fall uncouncious. using someone else's risk you easily squeeze their life out of them for "just a little bit more".



Regarding if blood can be stored, blood is rather difficult to store. These days we mix it with anti-coagulants and freeze it within hours, keeping it on ice for a maximum of two months before we discard it (if it's a rare bloodtype we store it longer because there's nothing to replace it with). I can tell you that this would definantely be impossible in a mediveal setting (magic might be able to handle it... but I doubt it). Most likely the blood need to be freshly spilled... still hot and running from gaping wounds.



Blood is also generally a symbol for life and magic generally in all fantasy settings operate through symbols. So in essence it isn't exactly blood as much as life itself that powers the spells.

[faction699]

Good: If the player can become a blood mage and it actually alters a significant amount of dialog.
Bad: DA:O PC blood mage.