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[captain.subtle]

Cursed dance.

[Daryn Mercio]

Lord Aesir wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

Production of nuclear energy does not require you to hurt youself or others.

Neither does the use of Blood Magic. Jowan doesn't kill anyone on his way out of the Tower he simply immobilizes them for a short time while he escapes.

How is stabbing humself in the hand not hurting himself?

Well being a mage he should be able to stitch the wound up with no problem using magic

[Daerog]

Daryn Mercio wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

Production of nuclear energy does not require you to hurt youself or others.

Neither does the use of Blood Magic. Jowan doesn't kill anyone on his way out of the Tower he simply immobilizes them for a short time while he escapes.

How is stabbing humself in the hand not hurting himself?

Well being a mage he should be able to stitch the wound up with no problem using magic

That's after the fact.

[filetemo]

Daryn Mercio wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

Production of nuclear energy does not require you to hurt youself or others.

Neither does the use of Blood Magic. Jowan doesn't kill anyone on his way out of the Tower he simply immobilizes them for a short time while he escapes.

How is stabbing humself in the hand not hurting himself?

Well being a mage he should be able to stitch the wound up with no problem using magic

he's a blood mage, he has no healing powers

[captain.subtle]

Daryn Mercio wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

Production of nuclear energy does not require you to hurt youself or others.

Neither does the use of Blood Magic. Jowan doesn't kill anyone on his way out of the Tower he simply immobilizes them for a short time while he escapes.

How is stabbing humself in the hand not hurting himself?

Well being a mage he should be able to stitch the wound up with no problem using magic

He wasn't able to do normal magic all that well... That's why he turned to blood magic after all...

Modifié par captain.subtle, 14 août 2010 - 11:40 .

[captain.subtle]

jln.francisco wrote...

Dream worlds are not blood magic, the Fade isn't a creation of blood magic.

Actually spirit magic is powered by the Fade and said to come directly from it (going off the codex for it.) the same applies to blood magic.

Any source for that?

[filetemo]

jln.francisco wrote...
yes he does. Avernus himself demonstrates how blood magic can be used to preserve and replenish the body.

But that;'s all besides the point as Jowan does no real harm to himself. He is able to escape the Tower (a feet an injured man suffering from blood loss could not hope to manage.)

as far as I remember avernus extends life with the blood of others, he does not heal his wounds with his own blood, neither can jowan

[Daerog]

jln.francisco wrote...

Dream worlds are not blood magic, the Fade isn't a creation of blood magic.

Actually spirit magic is powered by the Fade and said to come directly from it (going off the codex for it.) the same applies to blood magic.

Point was dream worlds doesn't mean blood magic for certain.

Random lore note: Also, not all magic is tied to the Fade. As the blight is also a source of magic, and the blight is not connected to the Fade. It is kind of a strange thing they introduced in the Calling, and it is naturely known to the darkspawn (who are not connected to the Fade, like dwarves). Now, the nature of blight magic is very mysterious as there was only one person who wasn't a darkspawn known to have used it at one point.

Food for thought.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 14 août 2010 - 11:51 .

[Tirigon]

captain.subtle wrote...

1) Involves Blood being spilt/ Drunk/boiled
2) may involve Souls being devoured/exchanged/transfered....
3) Sometimes used for mind-control

Good or Bad?

Good if I have. Bad if assclowns have.

[tmp7704]

jln.francisco wrote...

Yes but like in real life that blood was ruined. It had been infected with maggots, bacteria vermin ect. An analogy would be trying to use those corpses for blood transplants. 

The one which was spilled, yes, but there was probably still some considerable amount to be gathered. I don't think infection and such would be much of issue if the victim died literally some minutes earlier.

Regarding the use for keeping subjects in coma -- that's interesting thought, but suspect since the subject doesn't get feed etc the body still need to get the power from somewhere to keep functioning, so it may require renewing the blood magic spells every now and then, with new blood providing body with the power it needs. Guess without knowing how many of the Redcliffe folk were used for the initial spell and if that possible need to renew is actually real, it's difficult to say how plausible such use would be. Still, it does seem to be an option that some could consider.

[andar91]

Blood magic is just another type of magic. I don't believe it is inherently evil, but I believe that what blood magic can do is often connected to goals that are somewhat "dark". For example, you could control someone's mind for the right reasons and achieve a good end, but is it ever really okay to take away free will? Any time blood magic such as that is being used, the mage is treading a very think moral line. But if you remove morals from the equation, than no: blood magic is not evil imo.



Another dimension, however, is that it is often gained by demonic alliances. I would consider this a major con against blood magic to all those that do not want to traffic with demons.

[Daerog]

jln.francisco wrote...

Avernus was long out of test subjects by the time you arrive. he also had no food, water or other means to sustain himself except magic.

I thought this was already known, and implied in my earlier posts about prolonging life some more years being debateable of good or evil. Ignoring how Avernus got the knowledge on how to prolong life, point was he found out and could use it by himself. Extending life can help; however, this is also a temptation for immortality, which is an evil. Although, I don't think one can reach immortality with blood magic, as Avernus was still going to die eventually. He just prolonged it, not make himself immortal, so the morality can be debated.

[Daerog]

jln.francisco wrote...

I know not all magic comes from the Fade. I was just pointing out both spirit magic and blood magic do and that's it's no stretch that the creatures of the fade would rely on them to achieve their ends. (if they really are two seperate schools) The reason I'm inclined to believe that the Demons use blood magic for most of their work is that demons aren't corporeal creatures. They're creatures of the mind/will and the only way for will to affect the universe of Thedas is through some form of magic.

Well, it kind of is, as there is no evidence that they use blood magic to do their demon thing. Only one I can think of that was clearly blood magic was the Baroness, who was a human using blood magic, becoming a soul using blood magic, and then using blood magic (clearly stated) to send the Warden-Commander and allies back to the real world. Also, she was pretty much a demon by that point as Justice points out.

However, for natural demons, blood magic isn't as clear. Such abilities could just be tied to their nature and don't need blood. As they can possess long dead corpses, which has already been pointed out are not connected to blood magic (skeletons have no blood, need living blood to do blood magic). Can they use blood magic? For certain, not disagreeing there, however I don't think they need to rely on such magic. Would they use such magic for their ends? They're demons, I agree with you again. Do they need blood magic to do their demon thing? This is where I disagree, blood magic can help, but they don't need it.

Did the Desire Demon use blood magic? My earlier point was that there is no clear evidence, I wasn't saying it wasn't a possibility.

[filetemo]

jln.francisco wrote...

filetemo wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...
yes he does. Avernus himself demonstrates how blood magic can be used to preserve and replenish the body.

But that;'s all besides the point as Jowan does no real harm to himself. He is able to escape the Tower (a feet an injured man suffering from blood loss could not hope to manage.)

as far as I remember avernus extends life with the blood of others, he does not heal his wounds with his own blood, neither can jowan

Avernus was long out of test subjects by the time you arrive. he also had no food, water or other means to sustain himself except magic.

but he still can't cure wounds with blood magic, and neither can jowan

[captain.subtle]

jln.francisco wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

jln.francisco wrote...

Dream worlds are not blood magic, the Fade isn't a creation of blood magic.

Actually spirit magic is powered by the Fade and said to come directly from it (going off the codex for it.) the same applies to blood magic.

Any source for that?

Avernus.

Avernus NEVER said that Blood magic is sourced from the Fade.... Are you bull****ting all of us?

Modifié par captain.subtle, 15 août 2010 - 12:07 .