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[thegreateski]

Face of Evil wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

I would like to point out that I "bullied" the Demon into teaching me Blood magic.

Still let the demon go scott free after killing a bunch of people in exchange for a power-up. That's just a lesser shade of evil in my book. 

Meh. Less evil more not caring.

The demon's death gains me nothing and I have a blight to fight.

At least that was my line of thinking the first time I got the Blood mage spec. The second time around I killed her arse simply because she dared to get between my all powerful Mage and his goal. Not a smart thing to do.

Modifié par thegreateski, 15 août 2010 - 07:07 .

[MDarwin]

Riona45 wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...

MDarwin wrote...

[Sorry but "trust the Chantry"? To me the Chantry is "corupted by power".

Says the maleficar willing to make deals with demons to gain forbidden knowledge.

I had no idea MDarwin was a "maleficar" who consorted with demons.  Interesting.

No need for that for me, at this point in time. I might have a uniqe bug. All the specilisations are unlocked. I do not use a mod to unlock them. Lucky me I guess.

[thegreateski]

Zathrian's such a tool . . .







I was disappointed that he didn't tell me I was being "illogical".

[Face of Evil]

I just pitied Zathrian. I can understand that kind of hatred.

[Face of Evil]

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[Daerog]

Been gone a while, I see this is still going on.

thegreateski wrote...

What was the original topic? Blood magic? Good or bad?

This is stupid. Our spells are not meant for getting cats out of trees, making fireworks, or helping little old ladies across the street.

They are made for killing.

Not all magic, you can just be a full support mage, with glyphs, heals, and buffs, and not kill anyone with your magic. Talking about ingame, and of course in the lore magic doesn't have to kill either.
Blood mages themselves may mean well with their actions and can be viewed as not evil, but the very nature of blood magic is evil.

Earlier question about my statement about being proud is a road to corruption. Yes, I believe that in real life. One can be satisfied with one's work, confident in their abilities, but one must keep an understanding of their limitations/faults/failures as well. One can lose themselves to pride and forget that they can be as weak as anyone else. I value humility.

[thegreateski]

You're still going to be aiding in the death of something even as a support mage.

note: You don't fall into the camp of "ambition is evil" do you?

Modifié par thegreateski, 15 août 2010 - 08:08 .

[Daerog]

thegreateski wrote...

You're still going to be aiding in the death of something even as a support mage.

note: You don't fall into the camp of "ambition is evil" do you?

For the first, ya that is true, but you gotta do what you gotta do, no? I don't think darkspawn will be enlightened by one's pacifist idealism. I was just pointing out that magic itself doesn't mean killing, it can also be helpful. Ingame you were supporting your companions and one's self killing people.

Ambition evil? You mean setting a goal for yourself and trying your hardest to reach said goal? How on earth can that be evil? Now "by any means necessary" or completely ruining other lives to get what you want is evil. No, ambition is not evil.

[captain.subtle]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Face of Evil wrote...I DARE you to make less sense. 

If forum not rule have, crush you with speak.
Regret much you would.

Speak Like Yoda you do.

[Face of Evil]

captain.subtle wrote...

Speak Like Yoda you do.

Problems with syntax she has.

[captain.subtle]

Face of Evil wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

Speak Like Yoda you do.

Problems with syntax she has.

I am for one on your side <3.

[Tirigon]

jln.francisco wrote...

This is not to say humility doesn't have its place. It really is a virtue if no other reason then it keeps people from wanting to fire you for being a loud mouth jerk.

Humility is not good. Humility is the way of a dog who likes to be beaten by his master, it´s not worthy of a free and thinking human being.

[Tirigon]

Face of Evil wrote...

Blood magic might not be evil, like any other magic, but it is incredibly dangerous. Far too dangerous to allow anyone to practice. The Chantry is completely right in its suppression of blood magic.

Every murderer or dictator who ever lived has eaten bread. Bread is far too dangerous to allow it and everyone who eats bread should be executed.

[Tirigon]

Face of Evil wrote...

Riona45 wrote...

Healing magic is an irrelevant to this discussion, remember?

No, I meant your point that "healing magic isn't widespread in Thedas" is irrelevant. It is enough that it exists; the people of Thedas aren't reliant on leeches and bonesaws to cure all their ills.

But they are. Because unless they happen to be nobles or powerful mages they don´t have access to healing magic. And even among nobles only the more powerful ones are allowed to have a mage in their estate.

[Tirigon]

MDarwin wrote...

The U.S. choose to use the nuke to end WW2 and to save countless other lives in needless battles.
I do not think that that was an evil act. Just because something is dangerous, it does not mean it can not be used.

I believe it depends on a given situation and the person, wielding such power.

Totally fail example.

I agree with your point that dangerous things can be used to good end, but the use of nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was simply mass-murder of a few 100000 people and is no better than the genocide committed by the N@zis and the Japanese.

[AlexXIV]

Well maybe blood magic is as evil as is killing. And that's what we do alot during a game. Isn't it a bit hypocrite then to say bloodmagic is evil while we hack and slash our way through enemies?

I think with bloodmagic it is a bit like with nuclear energy. Good things can come of it if used properly, but in the wrong hands it can be the end of the world (as we know it, na na na). That's why we are not happy if many small dictatorships get into possession of it. And the Chantry is not happy if many small mages use bloodmagic.

[AlexXIV]

Tirigon wrote...

MDarwin wrote...

The U.S. choose to use the nuke to end WW2 and to save countless other lives in needless battles.
I do not think that that was an evil act. Just because something is dangerous, it does not mean it can not be used.

I believe it depends on a given situation and the person, wielding such power.

Totally fail example.

I agree with your point that dangerous things can be used to good end, but the use of nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was simply mass-murder of a few 100000 people and is no better than the genocide committed by the N@zis and the Japanese.

No it is not the same. If the germans would have gotten their hands on nuklear weapons none of us would be here now.

[Krilral]

Blood magic usually does evil things but if i understand correctly it can also just be used to power normal spell instead of lyrium/mana.

[Tirigon]

AlexXIV wrote...

No it is not the same. If the germans would have gotten their hands on nuklear weapons none of us would be here now.

Possibly, we can´t know this, though it is definitely good they were defeated (and I´m saying this as a German myself).

However, that does not excuse destroying 2 towns that were mostly civilian. It would be different if the US had nuked ammunition fabrics or fleet bases. But most of the people killed by the atom bomb were civilians. Also, the bomb was used at a time when Japan was already defeated and therefore totally unnecessary. It´s not like the alternative had been to loose the war.


Anyways, continue in PM if you wish and let´s get back to blood magic.



I, too, find it hypocritical to say blood magic is evil when warriors are glorified - though they do nothing but killing. Even more, bloodmagic can be used for good (even though it rarely is, I admit that), while swords are meant for killing only and totally useless otherwise. Shouldn´t swords be more evil than bloodmagic than?

[captain.subtle]

Even if blood magic is used for good, it will involve hurting someone, either yourself or someone else..... through extremely unethical means of mind control or sucking life-force.... It is in essence evil... not by application or intent.



Compare it to a machine that can produce food but only if you sacrifice your or someone else's hand to it..

[AlexXIV]

captain.subtle wrote...

Even if blood magic is used for good, it will involve hurting someone, either yourself or someone else..... through extremely unethical means of mind control or sucking life-force.... It is in essence evil... not by application or intent.

Compare it to a machine that can produce food but only if you sacrifice your or someone else's hand to it..

You mean like a living thing that can only live because it eats other living things?

[Tirigon]

captain.subtle wrote...

Even if blood magic is used for good, it will involve hurting someone, either yourself or someone else..... through extremely unethical means of mind control or sucking life-force.... It is in essence evil... not by application or intent.

Compare it to a machine that can produce food but only if you sacrifice your or someone else's hand to it..

And just how exactly is hurting yourself unethical? As long as you do it voluntarily it is fine.
I would even say that hurting yourself to cast a spell that will save others from death is a great and glorious deed worthy of honor, and not evil at all.


And why is mind-control or sucking life-force to defeat an enemy more unethical than cutting his head off with a sword or shooting an arrow in his eye?

[Tirigon]

AlexXIV wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

Even if blood magic is used for good, it will involve hurting someone, either yourself or someone else..... through extremely unethical means of mind control or sucking life-force.... It is in essence evil... not by application or intent.

Compare it to a machine that can produce food but only if you sacrifice your or someone else's hand to it..

You mean like a living thing that can only live because it eats other living things?

You mean like most living creatures on earth? :innocent:

[AlexXIV]

Tirigon wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

captain.subtle wrote...

Even if blood magic is used for good, it will involve hurting someone, either yourself or someone else..... through extremely unethical means of mind control or sucking life-force.... It is in essence evil... not by application or intent.

Compare it to a machine that can produce food but only if you sacrifice your or someone else's hand to it..

You mean like a living thing that can only live because it eats other living things?

You mean like most living creatures on earth? :innocent:

No, not most but all of them