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[lazuli]

This guide aims to list all of the assignments and missions available for completion prior to Horizon, allowing the player to reach as high of a level as possible before the first encounter with the Collectors.  For obvious reasons, this information is most useful to players not pursuing a NG+ playthrough.  All of the links provided lead to the Mass Effect Wiki.

Please note that once all four initial dossiers are collected (Archangel, the Convict, the Warlord, and the Professor), the player is forced to travel to Horizon.  For this reason, if you wish to complete as many assignments and missions as possible before Horizon, hold off on recruiting at least one of the four initial dossiers until you have completed as many of the following assignments/missions as you like.


Normandy
    * Normandy: FBA Couplings
    * Normandy: Serrice Ice Brandy
    * Normandy: Special Ingredients

Omega
    * Omega: Archangel: Datapad Recovered
    * Omega: Aria T'Loak
    * Omega: Batarian Bartender
    * Omega: Struggling Quarian
    * Omega: The Patriarch
    * Omega: The Professor: Missing Assistant

Citadel
    * Citadel: Crime in Progress
    * Citadel: Krogan Sushi
    * Citadel: Captain Bailey
    * Citadel: The Council

N7
    * N7: Eclipse Smuggling Depot
    * N7: Lost Operative
    * N7: MSV Estevanico

    * N7: Wrecked Merchant Freighter

        * N7: Abandoned Research Station

            * N7: Hahne-Kedar Facility



Downloadable Content (DLC)

* Normandy Crash Site

Firewalker
    * Project Firewalker: Geth Incursion
    * Project Firewalker: Rosalie Lost
    * Project Firewalker: Survey Sites Located
    * Project Firewalker: Volcano Station
    * Project Firewalker: Prothean Site

Project Overlord
    * Overlord
    * Overlord: Atlas Station
    * Overlord: Prometheus Station
    * Overlord: Vulcan Station

Zaeed
    * Dossier: The Veteran
    * Zaeed: The Price of Revenge

Kasumi
    * Dossier: The Master Thief
    * Kasumi: Stealing Memory

Modifié par lazuli, 14 août 2010 - 07:46 .

[IanPolaris]

I agree with this except for the last. Getting Kasumi before Horizen is a mistake for a couple of reasons:



1. Kasumi's loyalty mission is a combat heavy mission but you don't get a full squad to help you (just Kasumi) which means it's best left for later.



2. (More important) By travelling to the Citidel, you open up a "hub" world and until all Citidel quests are completed (which can't happen until after horizen), extremely difficult Paragon/Renegade choices become nearly impossible to make because of the ME2 paragon/renegade system.



-Polaris

[lazuli]

This guide isn't meant to dictate when you should do things, though. I just assembled it so the player could know what is available before Horizon.

[thatdude90210]

It's a toss up. Kasumi mission is definitely easier to do later, but for lower firepower classes like Engineer or others classes with smg, the Kassa Locust is pretty helpful. I would do it right after recruiting Mordin just because it helps with the rest of the missions.

[Pacifien]

I've had no problem doing Kasumi's loyalty mission very early on, and tend to do so when I need access to a good SMG. It's more fun to do later on, but I don't think the limit to just one squadmate really causes a problem. The enemies do scale to level as well.

[IanPolaris]

Pacifien wrote...

I've had no problem doing Kasumi's loyalty mission very early on, and tend to do so when I need access to a good SMG. It's more fun to do later on, but I don't think the limit to just one squadmate really causes a problem. The enemies do scale to level as well.

I've done the mission both early and late so it's doable and the ease of mission was the least important concern.  The real problem with doing Kasumi early is you open up the Citidel Hub too early and unless you have a strong Paragon/Renegade ME1 save you are playing from, you jeapordize your ability to make difficult paragon and renegade checks (esp on Samara's Loyalty mission).

As for the SMGs, I found them fairly unpressive.  You get much better SMGs on Tali's Recruitment mission anyway and that can be done right after horizen.

That said, the scaling isn't perfect and Kasumi doesn't provide much squad support IMX and IMHO so I found doing the mission later to be much easier.

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

thatdude90210 wrote...

It's a toss up. Kasumi mission is definitely easier to do later, but for lower firepower classes like Engineer or others classes with smg, the Kassa Locust is pretty helpful. I would do it right after recruiting Mordin just because it helps with the rest of the missions.

I hear you.  The problem with this approach is Kasumi is a low firepower character too and you wind up facing swarms of eclipse mercs with two low level characters that don't have much firepower (and Eclipse mercs ALWAYS have primary defenses.....bioatic Barriors or Shields or sometimes both).  That's not good with an understaffed squad.

-Polaris

[ryoldschool]

I don't understand the problem with opening citadel b4 mordin mission. I always do that to get medigel upgrade straight away and with a weapon upgrade. Also only have problem with Samara loyality if I go renegade because I usually do too many paragon choices

Always start a fresh game, no imports.



Also do kasumi right after mordin if playing adept to get locust - it's much better.

[MrCasperTom]

IanPolaris wrote...

I've done the mission both early and late so it's doable and the ease of mission was the least important concern.  The real problem with doing Kasumi early is you open up the Citidel Hub too early and unless you have a strong Paragon/Renegade ME1 save you are playing from, you jeapordize your ability to make difficult paragon and renegade checks (esp on Samara's Loyalty mission).

As for the SMGs, I found them fairly unpressive.  You get much better SMGs on Tali's Recruitment mission anyway and that can be done right after horizen.

That said, the scaling isn't perfect and Kasumi doesn't provide much squad support IMX and IMHO so I found doing the mission later to be much easier.

-Polaris

Why does opening a hub world make it difficult for paragon/renegade choices?

[Pacifien]

IanPolaris wrote...
I've done the mission both early and late so it's doable and the ease of mission was the least important concern.  The real problem with doing Kasumi early is you open up the Citidel Hub too early and unless you have a strong Paragon/Renegade ME1 save you are playing from, you jeapordize your ability to make difficult paragon and renegade checks (esp on Samara's Loyalty mission).

As for the SMGs, I found them fairly unpressive.  You get much better SMGs on Tali's Recruitment mission anyway and that can be done right after horizen.

That said, the scaling isn't perfect and Kasumi doesn't provide much squad support IMX and IMHO so I found doing the mission later to be much easier.

Your mileage may vary.

1. Opening up the Citadel Hub early is not detrimental to the Paragon/Renegade checks. Not being consistent with your paragon or renegade decisions is detrimental. *Click Here for Explanation*

2. The M-4 Shuriken is not my SMG of choice. Considering Kasumi could be the very first mission you even do, this means I can replace that SMG quite quickly with the Locust. I like the Locust. Many people like the Locust. Some say you can even forego Assault Rifle Training on the Collector Ship because the Locust is just as good. Not only that, this means I don't have to recruit Tali right away after Horizon, which is my preferred method of play.

3. In my opinion, along with Miranda, Kasumi is the most versatile and powerful squadmate of the game. She is worth two of any other squadmate. From what I've seen on the forum, I'm not the only one who feels that way.

So obviously we have two very different perspectives on this. Which is why it's up to each individual person to decide which route they want to take.

[NICKjnp]

Pacifien wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
I've done the mission both early and late so it's doable and the ease of mission was the least important concern.  The real problem with doing Kasumi early is you open up the Citidel Hub too early and unless you have a strong Paragon/Renegade ME1 save you are playing from, you jeapordize your ability to make difficult paragon and renegade checks (esp on Samara's Loyalty mission).

As for the SMGs, I found them fairly unpressive.  You get much better SMGs on Tali's Recruitment mission anyway and that can be done right after horizen.

That said, the scaling isn't perfect and Kasumi doesn't provide much squad support IMX and IMHO so I found doing the mission later to be much easier.

Your mileage may vary.

1. Opening up the Citadel Hub early is not detrimental to the Paragon/Renegade checks. Not being consistent with your paragon or renegade decisions is detrimental. *Click Here for Explanation*

2. The M-4 Shuriken is not my SMG of choice. Considering Kasumi could be the very first mission you even do, this means I can replace that SMG quite quickly with the Locust. I like the Locust. Many people like the Locust. Some say you can even forego Assault Rifle Training on the Collector Ship because the Locust is just as good. Not only that, this means I don't have to recruit Tali right away after Horizon, which is my preferred method of play.

3. In my opinion, along with Miranda, Kasumi is the most versatile and powerful squadmate of the game. She is worth two of any other squadmate. From what I've seen on the forum, I'm not the only one who feels that way.

So obviously we have two very different perspectives on this. Which is why it's up to each individual person to decide which route they want to take.

I don't like the locust... it's a paintball gun in an M-16 world. 

[fegede]

Strange nobody mentions it but getting kasumi early means flashbangs for horizon. Also means tech damage upgrade that works towards the tech cooldown\\duration ones. For some classes like infiltrator and sentinel, it is a choice full of win.

[Pacifien]

The last time I did the Horizon mission, I decided I was going to take Kasumi because I hadn't taken her on that particular mission before. And I was keen on the idea of getting to use Flashbang Grenade on Harbinger. Unfortunately, I had also held off on doing her loyalty mission. No Flashbang Grenade for her.

My bonus power was also Flashbang Grenade, but my aim is inconsistent.

[Fiery Phoenix]

The way I play this game goes like this -- after acquiring the Normandy:



Recruitment (first half) >> Horizon >> Recruitment (second half) >> Collector Ship >> Loyalty missions >> N7 missions >> Overlord >> Reaper IFF >> Legion's loyalty >> Suicide mission



Of course, there minor things inbetween, like visiting the Citadel and Omega for sidequests, as well as doing the Normandy Crash Site mission, but that's the most basic version.

[IanPolaris]

fegede wrote...

Strange nobody mentions it but getting kasumi early means flashbangs for horizon. Also means tech damage upgrade that works towards the tech cooldown\\\\duration ones. For some classes like infiltrator and sentinel, it is a choice full of win.

I hate the flashbang.  It's one reason I almost never take Kasumi (that and her special ability doesn't play nice with others because it not only denies squad fire support, but also puts her in my line of fire).

I hate the flashbang becuase it is not party friendly.  I find Kasumi's flashbangs easily as deadly to me as to any of my enemies.

-Polaris

P.S.  The reason why opening up a hub world early is bad unless you have to is because ALL of the potential renegade/paragon points are counted against your possible total even if the missions that grant them haven't been opened up yet.  In the case of the citidel, there are two missions that have considerable Paragon/Renegade ponts that can't be opened up until much later, so opening up the citidel early hurts you.

[Sesshomaru47]

Kasumi is only good for her backstab, which is the best "power" anyone has. I never use the flash-bangs, ever. Her mission is pretty easy too, if you don't play like a crazy pirate. Also why do you need to be a high level for Horizon, it's easy even on insanity. Being a low level makes no difference, aren't the enemies the same level as you?

[Pacifien]

IanPolaris wrote...
I hate the flashbang becuase it is not party friendly.  I find Kasumi's flashbangs easily as deadly to me as to any of my enemies.

Don't throw the grenade at the wall right next to you.

[crimzontearz]

IanPolaris wrote...

I agree with this except for the last. Getting Kasumi before Horizen is a mistake for a couple of reasons:

1. Kasumi's loyalty mission is a combat heavy mission but you don't get a full squad to help you (just Kasumi) which means it's best left for later.

2. (More important) By travelling to the Citidel, you open up a "hub" world and until all Citidel quests are completed (which can't happen until after horizen), extremely difficult Paragon/Renegade choices become nearly impossible to make because of the ME2 paragon/renegade system.

-Polaris

I always go to the citadel STRAIGHT after  I get control of the normandy.....I always do all the "paragon" earning conversations immediately and I have never EVER failed a paragon check to this day

[crimzontearz]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

The way I play this game goes like this -- after acquiring the Normandy:

Recruitment (first half) >> Horizon >> Recruitment (second half) >> Collector Ship >> Loyalty missions >> N7 missions >> Overlord >> Reaper IFF >> Legion's loyalty >> Suicide mission

Of course, there minor things inbetween, like visiting the Citadel and Omega for sidequests, as well as doing the Normandy Crash Site mission, but that's the most basic version.

you need an extra loaylty mission left over after the reaper IFF or else the boarding cutscene will happen BEFORE you'll have the chance to do legion's loyalty mission
 

[Fiery Phoenix]

crimzontearz wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

The way I play this game goes like this -- after acquiring the Normandy:

Recruitment (first half) >> Horizon >> Recruitment (second half) >> Collector Ship >> Loyalty missions >> N7 missions >> Overlord >> Reaper IFF >> Legion's loyalty >> Suicide mission

Of course, there minor things inbetween, like visiting the Citadel and Omega for sidequests, as well as doing the Normandy Crash Site mission, but that's the most basic version.

you need an extra loaylty mission left over after the reaper IFF or else the boarding cutscene will happen BEFORE you'll have the chance to do legion's loyalty mission

Exactly, and that's Legion's, as I wrote above.

[crimzontearz]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

The way I play this game goes like this -- after acquiring the Normandy:

Recruitment (first half) >> Horizon >> Recruitment (second half) >> Collector Ship >> Loyalty missions >> N7 missions >> Overlord >> Reaper IFF >> Legion's loyalty >> Suicide mission

Of course, there minor things inbetween, like visiting the Citadel and Omega for sidequests, as well as doing the Normandy Crash Site mission, but that's the most basic version.

you need an extra loaylty mission left over after the reaper IFF or else the boarding cutscene will happen BEFORE you'll have the chance to do legion's loyalty mission

Exactly, and that's Legion's, as I wrote above.

ok.....so wait.....are you telling me that you do the IFF mission and immediately after you can go ahead and do Legion's loyalty even if you have already done all the other loyalty missions? because I cannot

[Thompson family]

A bit off topic here, but a lot of folks clearly don't like Kasumi as a squadmate in general and flashbang in particular.

The secret of effectively using Kasumi is to do the micromanagement -- which a lot of people understandably hate -- to keep her alive.

You have to put her in a safe place and flashbang enemies a LOT to keep her from cloaking when you don't want her to. If she's recharging most of the time, she'll stay in cover.

I also always get rapid shadow strike and send her against weakened enemies. That way she kills them and recharges very quickly when I do use shadow strike. When I hear the "whump" of her attack, I click on a spot behind cover for her to rally too.

In fact, there's one part of her loyalty mission (before she gets flashbang) where I literally keep her in a mostly enclosed area behind a truck while keeping up a lively series of shadow strike attacks. I'll strip the shields off an enemy and cut down his health a bit, shadow strike him, and keep repeating it. It works very well in the fight at the end.

However, I play soldier all the time. I'm sure that makes a big difference. Nothing much gets close to me. If it does, Miranda will warp or disrupt away its protection, Kasumi will stun it with a flashbang and I'll blow it away at point-blank range.

Modifié par Thompson family, 28 août 2010 - 10:15 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

crimzontearz wrote...

ok.....so wait.....are you telling me that you do the IFF mission and immediately after you can go ahead and do Legion's loyalty even if you have already done all the other loyalty missions? because I cannot

I'm not sure how I can make this any clearer. I do EVERYONE's loyalty mission BEFORE heading to the IFF. Once I'm done with the loyalties, I go to the IFF, finish it up and recruit Legion. Once I have Legion onboard, I talk his loyalty mission out of him and do it right way. Once I'm done with Legion's loyalty mission, the crew abduction cutscene triggers. After that, I immediately hit Omega-4 and launch the suicide mission, as I have ABSOLUTELY nothing else to do at that point.

[crimzontearz]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

ok.....so wait.....are you telling me that you do the IFF mission and immediately after you can go ahead and do Legion's loyalty even if you have already done all the other loyalty missions? because I cannot

I'm not sure how I can make this any clearer. I do EVERYONE's loyalty mission BEFORE heading to the IFF. Once I'm done with the loyalties, I go to the IFF, finish it up and recruit Legion. Once I have Legion onboard, I talk his loyalty mission out of him and do it right way. Once I'm done with Legion's loyalty mission, the crew abduction cutscene triggers. After that, I immediately hit Omega-4 and launch the suicide mission, as I have ABSOLUTELY nothing else to do at that point.

it does not happen that way for me, if I do not have at least another loaylty mission lined up BEOFE legion's (meaning I have done ALL the Lyoalties before doing the IFF) then the collector abduction triggers immediately (leaving me no time to do anything else) and I cannot do Legion's Loyalty uintil after it takes place

[Thompson family]

crimzontearz wrote...


it does not happen that way for me, if I do not have at least another loaylty mission lined up BEOFE legion's (meaning I have done ALL the Lyoalties before doing the IFF) then the collector abduction triggers immediately (leaving me no time to do anything else) and I cannot do Legion's Loyalty uintil after it takes place

Do you go to talk at length to Legion and get the loyalty mission assignment before stopping and even checking on the star map in the command center?