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[jbblue05]

 Anderson is the bad choice
Sure he is your pal, helps you out, heart is in the right place, a paragon, and a soldier like you
but lets be realistic he doesn't know how politics work
As far as I can tell the council old and new don't respect him, belittles him exposing his lack of political prowess making him look like a fool vetoing most of his ideas
So basically Anderson is just holding a seat on the council  and not doing much with it. He even admits he hates his job

I believe Anderson being a military man should become an admiral and help re-build the Alliance

Their are reasons to hate Udina he is a realist(renegade), typical politician, him and Shepard don't get along, shut down the Normandy when you needed to get to Ilos, seems hungry for power

When Udina's on the council he is highly-respected, makes sure his voice is heard, pushes hard for humanity's rights, If the council is killed he leads the new council, never backs down from a challenge, he was a former ambassador the best politician humanity has to offer, Udina knows the complexities of how dirty politics can get.

Udina is the better council member

People need to stop making Anderson and Udina a Renegade Vs. Paragon choice

And let politicians be politicians and soldiers be soldiers

[Lisa_H]

Earlier I always put Anderson on the council , even if I always had my doubts about him as a political leader after reading Revelation. Anderson always seemed like a good soldier, but when I read the book I never got the impression he would make a good political leader. But then Udina pissed me off enough to put my doubts aside and make Anderson the councillor. Besides having a military man in charge seemed like a good idea with the reaper threat. Now after playing ME2 and reading retribution I have my doubts again about Anderson. Most of my first suspicions of him seems to be true. And I'm starting to think he might do more good as an admiral in the Alliance once the reapers come, than being safely tucked away with the rest of the council once the reapers arrive. So my newest Shepard might put Udina on the council instead.

[Asheer_Khan]

Udina as leader of new council act with grace of Godzilla moving through Tokyo and it''s only matter of time when he will caused big in off diplomatic faux pass to give carte blanche to any ex council and non council races to declare war to humanity... and let's not forget that in human lead/all human scenarios with Udina as lead Chairman border between peace an all out war is veeeery thin.



In my games Udina is right now on third place on my hit list and i hope that one day i will get the chance to "repay" him for what he done after Virmire.



On the first place is of course our "beloved" timmy, and second is that psyho kay leng.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Udina is a chump, go for Anderson

[JohnnyBeGood2]

jbblue05 wrote...
... let politicians be politicians and soldiers be soldiers

or let the better person get the higher position

[Giggles_Manically]

It dosent matter after Retribution.



SPOILERS.



Anderson becomes a space cowboy and Udina is the new counciler.

Funny though to listen to reports about Udina, he does smack down quite a few people, but comes off as an ass to many people. Although gloating about TKOing the Batarian Oribtal Mirrors is just awsome.

[mosor]

Anderson if you want humanity to get along diplomatically with aliens.

Udina if you want to promote human power.



Udina seems more concerned about defense and Anderson seems to care more about aliens think of us diplomatically. Should have been the other way around.

[Skyblade012]

jbblue05 wrote...

 Anderson is the bad choice
Sure he is your pal, helps you out, heart is in the right place, a paragon, and a soldier like you
but lets be realistic he doesn't know how politics work
As far as I can tell the council old and new don't respect him, belittles him exposing his lack of political prowess making him look like a fool vetoing most of his ideas
So basically Anderson is just holding a seat on the council  and not doing much with it. He even admits he hates his job

I believe Anderson being a military man should become an admiral and help re-build the Alliance

Their are reasons to hate Udina he is a realist(renegade), typical politician, him and Shepard don't get along, shut down the Normandy when you needed to get to Ilos, seems hungry for power

When Udina's on the council he is highly-respected, makes sure his voice is heard, pushes hard for humanity's rights, If the council is killed he leads the new council, never backs down from a challenge, he was a former ambassador the best politician humanity has to offer, Udina knows the complexities of how dirty politics can get.

Udina is the better council member

People need to stop making Anderson and Udina a Renegade Vs. Paragon choice

And let politicians be politicians and soldiers be soldiers

So you would rather put in to place a sleazy politician who has done more to hamper your mission than the Council, including that damn Turian?  I mean, heck, the Council at least says "take what steps you need, just stay out of our way".  Udina was the one who put your ship in lockdown.  The guy may know diplomacy, but why would you want another diplomat working against you?

[jbblue05]

Skyblade012 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

 Anderson is the bad choice
Sure he is your pal, helps you out, heart is in the right place, a paragon, and a soldier like you
but lets be realistic he doesn't know how politics work
As far as I can tell the council old and new don't respect him, belittles him exposing his lack of political prowess making him look like a fool vetoing most of his ideas
So basically Anderson is just holding a seat on the council  and not doing much with it. He even admits he hates his job

I believe Anderson being a military man should become an admiral and help re-build the Alliance

Their are reasons to hate Udina he is a realist(renegade), typical politician, him and Shepard don't get along, shut down the Normandy when you needed to get to Ilos, seems hungry for power

When Udina's on the council he is highly-respected, makes sure his voice is heard, pushes hard for humanity's rights, If the council is killed he leads the new council, never backs down from a challenge, he was a former ambassador the best politician humanity has to offer, Udina knows the complexities of how dirty politics can get.

Udina is the better council member

People need to stop making Anderson and Udina a Renegade Vs. Paragon choice

And let politicians be politicians and soldiers be soldiers

So you would rather put in to place a sleazy politician who has done more to hamper your mission than the Council, including that damn Turian?  I mean, heck, the Council at least says "take what steps you need, just stay out of our way".  Udina was the one who put your ship in lockdown.  The guy may know diplomacy, but why would you want another diplomat working against you?

I already pointed that out about Normandy lockdown.

In ME2 the entire council turns its back on you sitting with their thumbs up their ass as colonies are taken. Anderson gives you your spectre status which holds no weight in the terminus systems. Which he's going to get torn the shreds by the new council for going behind their back
Its pretty clear Anderson is making a mess of things in the council if Udina wasn't his assistant who knows how bad he would fudge up council politics. 

Just because he is your friend and a nice person doesn't make him  better councilor and your making Anderson's life a living hell
 
Anderson is a man of action not a diplomat

Don't forget Udina was appointed ambassador to push for human rights and he kept pushing the council to consider you for the spectres

[jbblue05]

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
... let politicians be politicians and soldiers be soldiers

or let the better person get the higher position

And how often does that work out??

[Spectreshadow]

I think they made Udina councilor in Retribution to free up Anderson to help you in 3. If you had him as councilor in 2 I bet you he resigned by the start of 3.

[Liam1995]

After everything udina did to you, in ME 1, I just have to go with anderson.

And seeing anderson beat-up undina was SOO satisfying.

[Dave of Canada]

jbblue05 wrote...

Its pretty clear Anderson is making a mess of things in the council if Udina wasn't his assistant who knows how bad he would fudge up council politics. 

Just because he is your friend and a nice person doesn't make him  better councilor and your making Anderson's life a living hell
 
Anderson is a man of action not a diplomat

.. but you can't argue that Anderson is most likely going to push for the Reapers and such. While Udina throws you aside and hides all evidence, Anderson would continue yelling down the halls that you're a damned hero and that the Council is blind.

While Udina might be a better Councilor for human rights, Anderson is pretty much what you need with the Reapers coming. Even outside of meta-gaming, you know Udina is a weasel that hates you.

[OmegaXI]

Wait Undina gloats about attacking the Blinks? Oh man thats great lol

So what else differs in the news reports if Udina is head of the all Human coucil rather than anderson?

[Spartas Husky]

jbblue05 wrote...

Its pretty clear Anderson is making a mess of things in the council if Udina wasn't his assistant who knows how bad he would fudge up council politics. 

Just because he is your friend and a nice person doesn't make him  better councilor and your making Anderson's life a living hell
 
Anderson is a man of action not a diplomat

1. I am sure France would love to Agree with you in 1940's

2. hehehe and people complain now a days why governments are so messed up lol.

[jbblue05]

Dave of Canada wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Its pretty clear Anderson is making a mess of things in the council if Udina wasn't his assistant who knows how bad he would fudge up council politics. 

Just because he is your friend and a nice person doesn't make him  better councilor and your making Anderson's life a living hell
 
Anderson is a man of action not a diplomat

.. but you can't argue that Anderson is most likely going to push for the Reapers and such. While Udina throws you aside and hides all evidence, Anderson would continue yelling down the halls that you're a damned hero and that the Council is blind.

While Udina might be a better Councilor for human rights, Anderson is pretty much what you need with the Reapers coming. Even outside of meta-gaming, you know Udina is a weasel that hates you.

You forget  the part that the rest of the council doesn't  respect Anderson as a politician and ignore or veto all his suggestions I mean Anderson literally tells you that to your face and you have to give him words of encouragement.
Anderson opinion will carry more weight with the Alliance

I don't like Udina either but I'm not going to hold a grudge on an important decision of nominating a councilor <_<

[jbblue05]

Spartas Husky wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Its pretty clear Anderson is making a mess of things in the council if Udina wasn't his assistant who knows how bad he would fudge up council politics. 

Just because he is your friend and a nice person doesn't make him  better councilor and your making Anderson's life a living hell
 
Anderson is a man of action not a diplomat

1. I am sure France would love to Agree with you in 1940's

2. hehehe and people complain now a days why governments are so messed up lol.

 Wow  your going to point out this one time in history that didn't work out so well
People have nobody to blame but themselves they just sit on their ass and complain about the government or nominate and elect the same politicians over and over again:pinched:.

Why don't you nominate Joker for councilor:huh: he knows ships and space warfare, a top alliance pilot, he's your pal, has a good sense of humor, clueless to politics, he killed Sovereign and believes in the Reapers.

He seems just as qualified Anderson:wizard:

[magelet]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It doesn't matter which of the two you select. The only difference is a dialogue line change. It doesn't have any impact at all.

But you can only get reinstated as a spectre if you choose Anderson (assuming you didn't kill the council). That will probably have an effect in ME3, even though it didn't really in ME2...

[Spartas Husky]

I would.



Nomite As turian councilor... ... you guessed it, our lovable brother... need not explain who it is. If you cant guess.... then you haven't been playing ME enough lol.



Either our lovable turian or General.... w/e the one who is in loved with Shaira.



Nominate as Asari Councilor.... very hard. Shiala... Liara or the Rachni representative asari? can't really decide whom more towards Shiala since she has the cypher...



As Salarian councilor... hard very hard. Mordin..... too scientific. camptain w/e from Virmire.... he seems a logical choice...or the Salarian who asks us to scan the keepers....then again we have not met almost any salarians worth the post.



As human..... hmmmm Anderson of course would be one..... Joker would be too sarcastic and wouldn't take it seriously... not unless his personal assitant was EDI... then maybe.



Miranda... AFTER the collector base... yes she did do a 180 in philosophy. Whether it was bad story telling or not, character is prime for politics but also for getting the job done.



Maybe Kelly... lol j/k



Haven't met alot of humans... Conrad??? lol nah nah seriously.



And since I have a rachni/krogan/geth/quarian armada ready to tear of the council a new one unless they kiss my feet.



I would make a NATo like style alliance. Legion as the geth of course. Tali as the quarian embassador.... and literally a rachni to be present... maybe a male rachni.... that would be nice.



ANd of course. That krogan we saved from the blood back base as the krogan embassador... either him or.............. the shaman lol

[mosor]

magelet wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It doesn't matter which of the two you select. The only difference is a dialogue line change. It doesn't have any impact at all.

But you can only get reinstated as a spectre if you choose Anderson (assuming you didn't kill the council). That will probably have an effect in ME3, even though it didn't really in ME2...

It probably won't have any in ME3 either considering you can't be a spectre in the default playthrough.

Modifié par mosor, 15 août 2010 - 08:51 .

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Doesn't really matter "spoiler"





because in Retribution Anderson quits

[Niblix]

At the end of ME1 I always left the position open, really hate being stuck with a game altering decision (why my hard drive is full of saves ). Playing as Paragon in ME2 I always used to choose Anderson as the council member, in my first playthrough as Renegade i've chosen Udina. Haven't gone to Citadel yet on my Renegade playthrough to see what happens.