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Why Teyrn Loghain is the deepest character in Dragon Age


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phaonica wrote...

You know I don't think the "you're pretty for a Warden" line fires for anyone except a fem!CE... hadn't really noticed that until just now.


Are they implying that Loghain is an elf fetishist like Maric?

All this "omg elves are soo attractive to everyone" is getting on my nerves. They look good, but not that good. I like my girls tall :P

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...

You know I don't think the "you're pretty for a Warden" line fires for anyone except a fem!CE... hadn't really noticed that until just now.


Are they implying that Loghain is an elf fetishist like Maric?

All this "omg elves are soo attractive to everyone" is getting on my nerves. They look good, but not that good. I like my girls tall :P


According to the Wiki, it does only fire for the CEF --right where it would be least well received. :P

I don't know about the elf fetish. Supposedly Alistair has one, as well --not that he objects to Dwarves or humans, of course, but he fell hard for my CE and she wasn't even particularly nice to him. Sometimes I think DA:O in general has an elf fetish.

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Looking up earlier on this thread, I can see it now: 101 DA Marbari pelts made into a winter wear for Anora....


Given Loghain's past with Adalla, I doubt he'd like that one bit.:innocent:

I, for one, am looking forward to the explanation of how someone as politically savvy as Anora sustained a severe enough head injury to think that that would fly in dog-obsessed Ferelden.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...

You know I don't think the "you're pretty for a Warden" line fires for anyone except a fem!CE... hadn't really noticed that until just now.


Are they implying that Loghain is an elf fetishist like Maric?

All this "omg elves are soo attractive to everyone" is getting on my nerves. They look good, but not that good. I like my girls tall :P

He doesn't say it to a Dalish or elven mage so I doubt it. Maybe he just thinks that someone from the Alienage would feel the most out of place here since all the other Alienage elves there are carrying messages and possibly being molested? 

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Morwen Eledhwen wrote...
 Sometimes I think DA:O in general has an elf fetish.


And it's annoying. It's as if they are forcing us to see them as attractive, while all I see is ok I guess.

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Why couldn't I get that line with my Dalish?!



What can I say KoP, elves are cuties!

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Sarah1281 wrote...
 He doesn't say it to a Dalish or elven mage so I doubt it. Maybe he just thinks that someone from the Alienage would feel the most out of place here since all the other Alienage elves there are carrying messages and possibly being molested? 


Possibly.
But why would he take the time to be nice to a city elf, and not even try to be so to a Cousland considering what happened.

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He seems to have a different line for each origin. It did irk me that he only said it to my CE though. The whole fetish gets on my nerves as well.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
 He doesn't say it to a Dalish or elven mage so I doubt it. Maybe he just thinks that someone from the Alienage would feel the most out of place here since all the other Alienage elves there are carrying messages and possibly being molested? 


Possibly.
But why would he take the time to be nice to a city elf, and not even try to be so to a Cousland considering what happened.


Maybe he feels the Cousland is already used to such compliments and doesn't need it? I don't know, it is curious that only the city elf gets it.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
 He doesn't say it to a Dalish or elven mage so I doubt it. Maybe he just thinks that someone from the Alienage would feel the most out of place here since all the other Alienage elves there are carrying messages and possibly being molested? 


Possibly.
But why would he take the time to be nice to a city elf, and not even try to be so to a Cousland considering what happened.

Well, telling the only other teryn's daughter "you're pretty for a Warden" might be seen as condescending. She's a teryn's daughter. Of course she pretty! :P Loghain may not have the best social skills, but even Teagan doesn't say "you're pretty." He says something about being lucky enough to find someone like the Warden. But I think that's to everyone.

I do wonder why Loghain only says that to a female CE though.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
 He doesn't say it to a Dalish or elven mage so I doubt it. Maybe he just thinks that someone from the Alienage would feel the most out of place here since all the other Alienage elves there are carrying messages and possibly being molested? 


Possibly.
But why would he take the time to be nice to a city elf, and not even try to be so to a Cousland considering what happened.


Sarah: you have a point in that he doesn't say it to any other elf but the City Elf, so I guess it's not a general elf fetish. I can't explain it then. And if he was just trying to be "nice", he could have stuck with the "don't let anyone tell you that you don't belong" speech, which is a really cool thing for him to say but was totally lost on my CE because she was all "wtf, really? Here, too?" from the "You're pretty for a Grey Warden" comment. It also seems like an uncharacteristally --unprofessional, I guess is the word, thing for Loghain to say in that situation. So there must have been a particular reason either for him to say it, or for the game developers to make him say it even if it was OOC. I just don't know what that might be.

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I was reading this in the toolset:

"You're pretty for a Grey Warden. Don't let anyone tell you that you don't belong. The first Warden Maric brought to Ferelden was a woman. Best warrior I've ever seen."

VO:
"IF PC IS A FEMALE
not being sexist--it's an assessment, and an honest one, from a veteran warrior and commander"

I'm getting the impression that it wasn't written to be CE only, but was written as a female catch-all, and that it just happened to fall to fem!CE only when the other stuff was added.

Modifié par phaonica, 23 septembre 2010 - 05:41 .


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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
 He doesn't say it to a Dalish or elven mage so I doubt it. Maybe he just thinks that someone from the Alienage would feel the most out of place here since all the other Alienage elves there are carrying messages and possibly being molested? 


Possibly.
But why would he take the time to be nice to a city elf, and not even try to be so to a Cousland considering what happened.

He does reassure a Cousland that Cailan intends to keep his promise to bring Howe to justice which I think is going to be much more appreciated than a comment on her appearance.

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Zjarcal wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
 He doesn't say it to a Dalish or elven mage so I doubt it. Maybe he just thinks that someone from the Alienage would feel the most out of place here since all the other Alienage elves there are carrying messages and possibly being molested? 


Possibly.
But why would he take the time to be nice to a city elf, and not even try to be so to a Cousland considering what happened.


Maybe he feels the Cousland is already used to such compliments and doesn't need it? I don't know, it is curious that only the city elf gets it.


@ Zjarcal and Monica. EDIT: and Sarah.
I was thinking more along the lines of him giving us his condolences for what happened.
If he took the time to complement an elf for fearing that she wouldn't belong, couldn't he take time to do what I would presume is his duty towards a noble and give his condolences?
Now I don't mind that he didn't, he has tons of things to think about. But why take the time for a city elf?

The only reason I can think of is an attempt by the writers to soften the position of a CE towards Loghain at the landsmeet, after knowing what he was doing in the Alienage, and to show he is not racist.
Not sure hwoever if a compliment is enough to make CE change their minds.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 septembre 2010 - 05:43 .


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phaonica wrote...

I was reading this in the toolset:

"You're pretty for a Grey Warden. Don't let anyone tell you that you don't belong. The first Warden Maric brought to Ferelden was a woman. Best warrior I've ever seen."

VO:
"IF PC IS A FEMALE
not being sexist--it's an assessment, and an honest one, from a veteran warrior and commander"

I'm getting the impression that it wasn't written to be CE only, but was written as a female catch-all, and that it just happened to fall to fem!CE only when the other stuff was added.


That makes more sense then.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

phaonica wrote...

I was reading this in the toolset:

"You're pretty for a Grey Warden. Don't let anyone tell you that you don't belong. The first Warden Maric brought to Ferelden was a woman. Best warrior I've ever seen."

VO:
"IF PC IS A FEMALE
not being sexist--it's an assessment, and an honest one, from a veteran warrior and commander"

I'm getting the impression that it wasn't written to be CE only, but was written as a female catch-all, and that it just happened to fall to fem!CE only when the other stuff was added.


That makes more sense then.

Agreed. I'm glad phaonica's around to check the toolset!

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That VO comment does make more sense. They probably didn't think of anything specific to add to a City Elf, so they left the comment there.

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Well it's obvious he would respect female warriors - Rowan being one. It's a shame you don't get that line on other origins, though. I don't much like playing elves, to be honest.

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CalJones wrote...
I don't much like playing elves, to be honest.


Same. Though DA:O is the only fantasy setting where I tolerate elves.

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EnchantedEyes1 wrote...

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www.youtube.com/watch

Different version of Loghain's Awakening cameo. "Leadership looks good on you........." Is he..FLIRTING?:wub::devil:

He seems to flirt with some female Wardens in Ostagar, too.  Flirt in a particularly Loghain way, which is to dryly say "You're pretty for a Warden."  That was a bit WTF moment for my city elf character.  Of course, having endured what she did of human "flirting" prior to that, she didn't take the comment well.

My CE female had a slightly different reaction - while the comment surprised her - it was his next words which really stuck. Something like "Don't let them tell you you don't belong."

Oh yeah, it's complimentary overall.  It's just the peculiarities of the CE origin that had me imagining her not reacting well to it.  She was ready to go princess stabbity on any human man in the army camp who looked at her crosswise.  Good thing she got assigned three complete dorks for the Wilds quest.  It saved some bloodshed.  LOL

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*gasps* Addai, did you just call Alistair a dork?!!!

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*puts hand on Addai's forehead* Are you ok? lol

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

CalJones wrote...
I don't much like playing elves, to be honest.


Same. Though DA:O is the only fantasy setting where I tolerate elves.


Well, apart from the ears and their build (my CE is REALLY skinny; there's no way she'd actually be able to wield that Starfang like she does with those spindly arms), they're not required to act or look in a way that most people would think of as "Elvish". So if you're not a fan of Tolkien elves or standard fantasy-novel elves, you can make an Elf that behaves very differently from how they do. I frequently forget that my City Elf is an elf unless someone happens to remind her of it (it also helps that her hairstyle hides the tips of her ears).

Back OT:

Lego Loghain and Ser Cauthrian! :o



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CalJones wrote...

*gasps* Addai, did you just call Alistair a dork?!!!

LOL You guys don't pay attention to me much, do you.  Someone commented on a line in my Alistair story where I said my Dalish girl thought of Alistair in Ostagar, "a man whose mouth got ahead of his wits."  Of course he's a dork, he's just an extemely lovable one.  Posted Image

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Heh heh. Well yes, he can be loveable. I have a love-hate relationship with him (for obvious reasons!)