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[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

CalJones wrote...

*gasps* Addai, did you just call Alistair a dork?!!!

LOL You guys don't pay attention to me much, do you.  Someone commented on a line in my Alistair story where I said my Dalish girl thought of Alistair in Ostagar, "a man whose mouth got ahead of his wits."  Of course he's a dork, he's just an extemely lovable one. 

Yes, I've noticed that Alistair fangirls can be quite hard on him and if people who were known to dislike him said/did some of the things that thread has said/done then they would be eaten alive.

[CalJones]

Oh, you mean the ladies who deliberately set out to lose influence with him because his -100 approval hate speech is so sexy? (Apparently, anyway).

[Morwen Eledhwen]

CalJones wrote...

Oh, you mean the ladies who deliberately set out to lose influence with him because his -100 approval hate speech is so sexy? (Apparently, anyway).

I think it's more that they feel it's okay to call him a dork or say something negative about him if it's clear that you love him anyway (or in some cases, because of traits like the dorkiness). It's kind of how many people say "I can talk smack about my family/home town/local sports team because they're mine and I love them, but you breathe a word and I'll wrap your innards around your ears".

Although there are those "Ooh, hate me Alistair, hate me" elements too. . .

[KnightofPhoenix]

I've yet to meet a lovable dork that doesn't get annoying after a while. But eh, tastes, all tastes.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 23 septembre 2010 - 10:09 .

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I've yet to meet a lovable dork that doesn't get annoying after a while. But eh, tastes, all tastes.

I would say Jowan for me, but I know you hate him, so I'll leave at that!

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I've yet to meet a lovable dork that doesn't get annoying after a while. But eh, tastes, all tastes.

I would say Jowan for me, but I know you hate him, so I'll leave at that!

I don't hate him, or his personality perse. In fact he is quite tragic, even if I blame him more than the chantry girl whose name I forgot for lying.
What annoys me is his voice however. 

[Sarah1281]

Her name is Lily.



And I totally agree about the voice. I knew from the first words that he said that not only were we not really friends no matter what he thought but that he was going to be more trouble than he was worth.

[Zjarcal]

Well yeah, his voice could've been handled better, of that there's no doubt. And the girl's name is Lilith.

But I do find him lovable and annoying at the same time. I know, I'm in the minority. If a Jowan fan club was started, I'd be the only member!

Modifié par Zjarcal, 23 septembre 2010 - 10:20 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...
But I do find him lovable and annoying at the same time. I know, I'm in the minority. If a Jowan fan club was started, I'd be the only member!

Well as a character he is interesting and many could admire his desire to account for what he has done, stop running and accept punishment.

His voice hwoever didn't help my mage to actually care for him. So the whole friendship thing felt forced, while the Cousland family thing was very smooth (even with out of nowhere "I love you you know", just to remind us) I just found myself caring (especially Eleanor, why couldn't she be in the Gauntlet??) .

[Zjarcal]

I do agree that the friendship could feel forced for those who didn't like him. Since I liked him I didn't have a problem with it, but I can perfectly see why many people would find it unfitting to their characters.



I would've loved to have both Bryce and Eleanor at the Gauntlet. I'll openly admit that I cried the first time I met Bryce's spirit. Actually, I still tear up a bit.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Her name is Lily.

And I totally agree about the voice. I knew from the first words that he said that not only were we not really friends no matter what he thought but that he was going to be more trouble than he was worth.

Yeah, and I chose options that unfortunately prompted a lot of talking and ranting from Jowan. My mage was annoyed enough at being yelled at by a liar and a coward, but to have the tirades delivered in *that voice*. . .ugh.

Loghain hears the annoying voice of a whiny Mage somewhere in the distance. . .


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[KnightofPhoenix]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...
Loghain hears the annoying voice of a whiny Mage somewhere in the distance. . .


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And realises that this voice alone is capable of incapacitating Eamon.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...
Loghain hears the annoying voice of a whiny Mage somewhere in the distance. . .

And realises that this voice alone is capable of incapacitating Eamon.

:lol::lol:

Maybe that was the "poison" he used --the voice!



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Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 23 septembre 2010 - 11:05 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ha Jowan = Grima is something I never thought of before lol

[Zjarcal]

*watches all the Jowan hate and cries*

....


*looks at the last picture*

Ok, I'll admit that's a funny comparison!

[Addai]

Chapter three of The Arrangement is up.  *wipes sweat from brow*
ffnet link
forum link

We are headed to Yosemite this weekend so no more updates til next week.

[Sarah1281]

Addai67 wrote...

Chapter three of The Arrangement is up.  *wipes sweat from brow*
ffnet link
forum link

We are headed to Yosemite this weekend so no more updates til next week.

Have fun! 

[phaonica]

Addai67 wrote...

Chapter three of The Arrangement is up.  *wipes sweat from brow*
ffnet link
forum link

Another great chapter. Thank you for sharing!

We are headed to Yosemite this weekend so no more updates til next week.

Enjoy!

Modifié par phaonica, 24 septembre 2010 - 12:56 .

[Monica21]

Addai67 wrote...

Chapter three of The Arrangement is up.  *wipes sweat from brow*
ffnet link
forum link

Squeee!!!!

We are headed to Yosemite this weekend so no more updates til next week.

Have fun!

Modifié par Monica21, 24 septembre 2010 - 12:27 .

[DragonRacer13]

Zjarcal wrote...

*watches all the Jowan hate and cries*

....


*looks at the last picture*

Ok, I'll admit that's a funny comparison!

Random sidenote: I am getting SEVERELY tired of Bioware's site not keeping me logged in anymore. It just ate an entire freakin' post because of that. Grrrrr....

*ahem*

You're not alone! There are a few Jowan fans in the "Fanfiction Sucks" thread and some nice, touching fanfics out there featuring him. And I like the bumbling little guy myself.  Liked him since the first time I met him, which was with a non-mage Warden down in the dungeons of Redcliffe Castle who took a chance and believed his wishes for redemption (then again, I'm a fan of letting people have the opportunity to redeem themselves...). And when I finally did a mage playthrough, I still liked/pitied him despite it all.

Then again, I may be biased since his entire demeanor and mannerisms reminds me of a very dear friend of mine from my college days. I... uh... have a habit, it seems, of befriending the people most folks don't want to befriend (or, indeed, don't want to even give the time of day). "Adopting the strays," so to speak.

And to bring it back around... reflective Loghain...

[KnightofPhoenix]

DragonRacer13 wrote...

When they say an image can say a thousand words (I know I mutilated the saying), they's right.

What I really love about the Loghain cutscenes (and his general tired look) is how revealing they are of how burdened Loghain is. Obviously the character can't see it (but even at the landsmeet there are signs of him being tired and drained physically and mentally), but it's nice for us players to see it.

Now when you contrast that look to Loghain in Awakening, then you can really see how power was burdening and even breaking him apart, which shows that he wasn't doing it for his personal pleasure. In fact when speaking with a non consort, he practically tells us he isn't as lucky as to feel comfortable in a leadership position.

[phaonica]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

What I really love about the Loghain cutscenes (and his general tired look) is how revealing they are of how burdened Loghain is. Obviously the character can't see it (but even at the landsmeet there are signs of him being tired and drained physically and mentally), but it's nice for us players to see it.

Part of me is always bothered by books and games where you are shown scenes that the protagonist doesn't know about. Like in the Stolen Throne where we're shown the Orlesians' POV. I suppose it gives the player some interesting info, but it also tends to break down my suspension of disbelief. That being said, I still do love the Origins cutscenes because to me he does come across as someone who is at the very least contemplative, not someone who is reveling in their position, like Meghren, for example.

Now when you contrast that look to Loghain in Awakening, then you can really see how power was burdening and even breaking him apart, which shows that he wasn't doing it for his personal pleasure. In fact when speaking with a non consort, he practically tells us he isn't as lucky as to feel comfortable in a leadership position.

I was just listening to his dialog sound files for Awakening. 

I know I've said it before, but had this fear when I first spared him that he would be unhappy to have survived. Instead he talks like a free man instead of a condemned one. That cameo alone made Awakening worth the purchase.

[MKDAWUSS]

phaonica wrote...

I know I've said it before, but had this fear when I first spared him that he would be unhappy to have survived. Instead he talks like a free man instead of a condemned one. That cameo alone made Awakening worth the purchase.

By then the baggage is off - he doesn't have to worry about Cailan and Howe and holding the country together. Also, in the event of King Cousland, he knows his daughter's in good hands.


I would just love to see Loghain and Empress Celene going at it once he's in Orlais nonetheless.

Modifié par MKDAWUSS, 24 septembre 2010 - 02:41 .

[Zjarcal]

DragonRacer13 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

*watches all the Jowan hate and cries*

....


*looks at the last picture*

Ok, I'll admit that's a funny comparison!

Random sidenote: I am getting SEVERELY tired of Bioware's site not keeping me logged in anymore. It just ate an entire freakin' post because of that. Grrrrr....

*ahem*

You're not alone! There are a few Jowan fans in the "Fanfiction Sucks" thread and some nice, touching fanfics out there featuring him. And I like the bumbling little guy myself.  Liked him since the first time I met him, which was with a non-mage Warden down in the dungeons of Redcliffe Castle who took a chance and believed his wishes for redemption (then again, I'm a fan of letting people have the opportunity to redeem themselves...). And when I finally did a mage playthrough, I still liked/pitied him despite it all.

Then again, I may be biased since his entire demeanor and mannerisms reminds me of a very dear friend of mine from my college days. I... uh... have a habit, it seems, of befriending the people most folks don't want to befriend (or, indeed, don't want to even give the time of day). "Adopting the strays," so to speak.

And to bring it back around... reflective Loghain...

*snip*

Aww, thanks! I'll check out that thread and see what I've been missing. Nice to know there is some love for Jowan out there!

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MKDAWUSS wrote...

phaonica wrote...

I know I've said it before, but had this fear when I first spared him that he would be unhappy to have survived. Instead he talks like a free man instead of a condemned one. That cameo alone made Awakening worth the purchase.

By then the baggage is off - he doesn't have to worry about Cailan and Howe and holding the country together. Also, in the event of King Cousland, he knows his daughter's in good hands.


I would just love to see Loghain and Empress Celene going at it once he's in Orlais nonetheless.

Was Celene around when Orlais occupied Ferelden? In my head, Celene is about as old as Cailan, which would mean she was born after Ferelden gained its freedom or she was very young when that happened.

I ask because I could not see Loghain getting along with someone who had anything to do with Orlais' dominance over Ferelden. I'm already foreseeing bloodshed when Loghain goes to Orlais, I imagine it would be 10x worst if he met one of the generals or something.

(Also, I haven't read the books)