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[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Wait - you don't have to kill Cauthrien?????
How do you get into the Landsmeet without killing her? I vaguely remember a persuade/intimidate check (although that may be at Howe's) but I've never passed it . . .

You have to pass the persuade check pre-Landsmeet although if you're playing on the PC then it checks poison so you'd need to fix that. Or have a really high poison. It's very touching.

I mean I understand intimidation workign with poison....but persuasion?
I'll never look at Cauthrien the same again.

[MKDAWUSS]

TJPags wrote...

Hmmm . . .I'm on the 360, so it would still check my coercian . . .I may have not had a high enough level when I surrendered, or didn't surrender when it was high enough - or it's just bugged. I've never been able to get into the Landsmeet without killing her . . . my next playthrough, this will be my goal . . .

Save before you go

It's what I do to make sure I do it right.

You might wanna' try intimidation instead of persuasion BTW.

[TJPags]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Hmmm . . .I'm on the 360, so it would still check my coercian . . .I may have not had a high enough level when I surrendered, or didn't surrender when it was high enough - or it's just bugged. I've never been able to get into the Landsmeet without killing her . . . my next playthrough, this will be my goal . . .

Save before you go

It's what I do to make sure I do it right.

You might wanna' try intimidation instead of persuasion BTW.

I think the problem was, on my first playthrough I had maxed out coerce, but didn't surrender to her at Howe's . . .after that, I think I figured it was bugged.  Now that I know, I WILL do this!!!

[MKDAWUSS]

TJPags wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Hmmm . . .I'm on the 360, so it would still check my coercian . . .I may have not had a high enough level when I surrendered, or didn't surrender when it was high enough - or it's just bugged. I've never been able to get into the Landsmeet without killing her . . . my next playthrough, this will be my goal . . .

Save before you go

It's what I do to make sure I do it right.

You might wanna' try intimidation instead of persuasion BTW.

I think the problem was, on my first playthrough I had maxed out coerce, but didn't surrender to her at Howe's . . .after that, I think I figured it was bugged.  Now that I know, I WILL do this!!!

I got KOd and intimidation worked for me. Intimidation, then Cailan, then anything else

[phaonica]

I was just checking the toolset. It looks like there is no check anywhere that says specifically that you must have surrendered at Howe's in order to persuade Cauthrien to back down, however it is possible that because that one check is bugged that you can't get enough "points" to convince her.

edit: and looking at it again, if you surrendered and take the right dialog tree that has her backing down, you miss almost all of her good arguing dialog.  That's no fun

Edit2: I actually didn't realize there was a bugged check until my second playthrough, because the first time I was playing a rogue with a high poison check, so I was able to convince her just fine, heh.

Modifié par phaonica, 25 septembre 2010 - 01:44 .

[Monica21]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Wait - you don't have to kill Cauthrien?????
How do you get into the Landsmeet without killing her? I vaguely remember a persuade/intimidate check (although that may be at Howe's) but I've never passed it . . .

You have to pass the persuade check pre-Landsmeet although if you're playing on the PC then it checks poison so you'd need to fix that. Or have a really high poison. It's very touching.

I mean I understand intimidation workign with poison....but persuasion?
I'll never look at Cauthrien the same again.

That has to be a messed up check. A persuade check works if you surrender at Howe's, and that's the only way I've been able to get it to work. If I tried Intimidation I'm pretty sure I didn't have high enough Poison so I wouldn't know about that.

Definitely weird.

[TJPags]

phaonica wrote...

I was just checking the toolset. It looks like there is no check anywhere that says specifically that you must have surrendered at Howe's in order to persuade Cauthrien to back down, however it is possible that because that one check is bugged that you can't get enough "points" to convince her.

edit: and looking at it again, if you surrendered and take the right dialog tree that has her backing down, you miss almost all of her good arguing dialog.  That's no fun

Yea, I do like the arguing dialogue, but I've done them every time.  I want something new.

[phaonica]

Monica21 wrote...

That has to be a messed up check. A persuade check works if you surrender at Howe's, and that's the only way I've been able to get it to work. If I tried Intimidation I'm pretty sure I didn't have high enough Poison so I wouldn't know about that.

Definitely weird.

It's definitely a bug. When you are picking out conditionals in the toolset the POISON_HIGH and PERSUADE_VERY_HIGH check are right next to each other. Someone missed their mark. oops

[Monica21]

phaonica wrote...

I was just checking the toolset. It looks like there is no check anywhere that says specifically that you must have surrendered at Howe's in order to persuade Cauthrien to back down, however it is possible that because that one check is bugged that you can't get enough "points" to convince her.

edit: and looking at it again, if you surrendered and take the right dialog tree that has her backing down, you miss almost all of her good arguing dialog.  That's no fun

Edit2: I actually didn't realize there was a bugged check until my second playthrough, because the first time I was playing a rogue with a high poison check, so I was able to convince her just fine, heh.

Sorry, just saw this. The arguing dialogue is good, but I've heard it. I don't mind surrendering now. Still weird that it's the only way, other than high poison, that you can get the persuade check to work.

Thanks for looking!

[phaonica]

Monica21 wrote...

Sorry, just saw this. The arguing dialogue is good, but I've heard it. I don't mind surrendering now. Still weird that it's the only way, other than high poison, that you can get the persuade check to work.

Thanks for looking!

Since it's been brought up, I was remembering the surrender scene at Howe's. On my first playthrough, I betrayed Anora but I couldn't kill Cauthrien and after trying over and over, I accidently discovered that you didn't have to kill her for the game to continue. Thank goodness. 
The second time I played the game, I started to surrender and Alistair said "What for!? The door is right there. Just kill her." ... I was all  "Who are you and what have you done with Alistair?" Emboldened by his words, I attacked her! But I still couldn't beat her, so I still ended up in jail, lol.

Modifié par phaonica, 25 septembre 2010 - 02:20 .

[Monica21]

I remember on my second playthrough that the Persuade still wasn't working, and then read on the forums about how it only works if you surrender. At that point I was like "Well, I end up in jail anyway. Might was well do it without getting hammered by Cauthrien." She and that Summer Sword hit hard.

Modifié par Monica21, 25 septembre 2010 - 02:23 .

[phaonica]

It's a shame that one crucial check is bugged, though, because there is this rigmarole of coding and a point system and everything that is pretty much made invalid because of the bug.

Modifié par phaonica, 25 septembre 2010 - 02:27 .

[phaonica]

Monica21 wrote...

I remember on my second playthrough that the Persuade still wasn't working, and then read on the forums about how it only works if you surrender. At that point I was like "Well, I end up in jail anyway. Might was well do it without getting hammered by Cauthrien." She and that Summer Sword hit hard.

I understand that. I think she could solo two archdemons.
I don't think I've ever beaten her there.

[Monica21]

phaonica wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

I remember on my second playthrough that the Persuade still wasn't working, and then read on the forums about how it only works if you surrender. At that point I was like "Well, I end up in jail anyway. Might was well do it without getting hammered by Cauthrien." She and that Summer Sword hit hard.

I understand that. I think she could solo two archdemons.
I don't think I've ever beaten her there.

Forget giving her Gwaren. She'd make a hell of a Warden! I actually would recruit her if there was some sort of guarantee that she'd survive the Joining. Maybe their midichlorian count has to be above a certain number?

[phaonica]

Monica21 wrote...

Forget giving her Gwaren. She'd make a hell of a Warden! I actually would recruit her if there was some sort of guarantee that she'd survive the Joining. Maybe their midichlorian count has to be above a certain number?

She probably would make a hell of a Warden. My character is more of a "Ferelden first" character, though, so she'd prefer to have Cauthrien take care of Ferelden rather than join the Wardens. (That's a post-Blight stance, of course, because during the Blight, I'd have recruited damn near anyone. lol).

[CalJones]

I've a fully unmodded game and I never have a problem persuading Cauthrien to back down - however, I will say that I always surrender to her without a fight. I've done (and won) the fight but I've had so many runthroughs now I can no longer be bothered with it. From a practical point of view, surrendering also gives your companions and Anora a chance to escape without being caught in the crossfire. If you care about such things, of course.

[Monica21]

phaonica wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Forget giving her Gwaren. She'd make a hell of a Warden! I actually would recruit her if there was some sort of guarantee that she'd survive the Joining. Maybe their midichlorian count has to be above a certain number?

She probably would make a hell of a Warden. My character is more of a "Ferelden first" character, though, so she'd prefer to have Cauthrien take care of Ferelden rather than join the Wardens. (That's a post-Blight stance, of course, because during the Blight, I'd have recruited damn near anyone. lol).

I agree about her being better off serving Ferelden. Kind of why in my own universe I'm planning on getting Loghain back from Orlais. For Ferelden of course. Not out of any personal desire of my own. Yes, country first. *ahem*

I don't know how she'd be as a Teryna, but since nearly all of Highever's troops are lost or scattered, I could see about talking her into helping Fergus rebuild.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...
Off the current topic but I realized after their second meeting that Loghain didn't bat an eye at my CE's choice of armor, which has the Orlesian royal seal embossed on it (Shadow of the Empire). I know that the DA:O creators couldn't possibly think of *every* eventuality and write dialogue options accordingly, but since they went out of their way to create the armor with those characteristics, you'd think that some notice would be paid.

Or you dressing up like a chevalier.
Or like Cailan.
Or naked as many seem to enjoy.

I was also curious to see if any interesting dialogue options popped up when my CE walked into the Landsmeet with Loghain's crown in her backpack. Tonight, I got my answer: none at all. Apparently, all the crown is worth is a fearsome reputation in the thieving community and the 12 sovereigns for which I don't have the heart to sell it.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

In re not having to kill Cauthrien: I wish I didn't. I tried very hard to Persuade her out of it and had a lot of respect for her loyalty and dedication to the man she believed in and to whom she had sworn allegiance. I would have been tickled to death to have her on my side, but I know that's not even a remote, bugged option. My Persuasion got her to admit that Loghain wasn't what he once was and that the situation in Ferelden was eating him up and making him do uncharacteristic things, but she still blamed me and my crew for that, so we had to fight. I apologized profusely to her remains.

That said, the Summer Sword looks mighty good on Sten. It's about time he got a weapon upgrade, too --everyone else gets cool new gear and he's been stuck with Asala since I got it out of Dwyn's lock-box.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 25 septembre 2010 - 10:20 .

[DragonRacer13]

Hmmm, had no idea the Cauthrien check was bugged.

I'm on a console and generally have all four persuasion blocks by then (and, obviously, at LEAST the minimum amount of cunning needed to get those, if not more if I'm playing a rogue). I always surrender right away at Howe's estate because, to me, it's the logical thing to do. We're surrounded, been caught cutting a bloody swath through an arl's estate (again, in the case of a city elf), and the queen's identity needs to remain hidden. If all Cauthrien wants is the Warden (and Alistair, if he's in tow), then I surrender in the hopes that the rest of my companions can quickly hustle Anora out of there.

Have never had an issue persuading Cauthrien right before the Landsmeet. I've always had to use the persuasion option, though. Trying any of the other dialogue lines, including the intimidate one, always seems to lead to a fight. *shrugs*

[Persephone]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

In re not having to kill Cauthrien: I wish I didn't. I tried very hard to Persuade her out of it and had a lot of respect for her loyalty and dedication to the man she believed in and to whom she had sworn allegiance. I would have been tickled to death to have her on my side, but I know that's not even a remote, bugged option. My Persuasion got her to admit that Loghain wasn't what he once was and that the situation in Ferelden was eating him up and making him do uncharacteristic things, but she still blamed me and my crew for that, so we had to fight. I apologized profusely to her remains.

That said, the Summer Sword looks mighty good on Sten. It's about time he got a weapon upgrade, too --everyone else gets cool new gear and he's been stuck with Asala since I got it out of Dwyn's lock-box.

Hehehe. There is a Mod that will give you the Summer Sword, even if you don't kill Cauthrien.

[Giggles_Manically]

If you kill her in that fight , but lose the fight while looting it and she shows up again, you can loot it twice.



Although Yusaris, Ageless, the Chasind Great Maul, and Starfang are better weapons.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

^ Ahh, mods. Unfortunately I play on the PS3 so I'm stuck with Kill Cauthrien = be sad but get Summer Sword; Don't kill Cauthrien = clear conscience but no neat toy for Sten.

Edit: I have Yusaris but don't see how it's better than the Summer Sword except against dragons (and I am about to go into the last battle so I am carrying Yusaris in my pack specifically for the Archdemon battle). I also have Starfang but in the Longsword version, not the two-hander. My PC is wielding it.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 25 septembre 2010 - 03:34 .

[MKDAWUSS]

Monica21 wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Forget giving her Gwaren. She'd make a hell of a Warden! I actually would recruit her if there was some sort of guarantee that she'd survive the Joining. Maybe their midichlorian count has to be above a certain number?

She probably would make a hell of a Warden. My character is more of a "Ferelden first" character, though, so she'd prefer to have Cauthrien take care of Ferelden rather than join the Wardens. (That's a post-Blight stance, of course, because during the Blight, I'd have recruited damn near anyone. lol).

I agree about her being better off serving Ferelden. Kind of why in my own universe I'm planning on getting Loghain back from Orlais. For Ferelden of course. Not out of any personal desire of my own. Yes, country first. *ahem*

I don't know how she'd be as a Teryna, but since nearly all of Highever's troops are lost or scattered, I could see about talking her into helping Fergus rebuild.

And maybe they could marry and produce children! I do find Cauthrien kinda hot TBH

[Giggles_Manically]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

^ Ahh, mods. Unfortunately I play on the PS3 so I'm stuck with Kill Cauthrien = be sad but get Summer Sword; Don't kill Cauthrien = clear conscience but no neat toy for Sten.

Edit: I have Yusaris but don't see how it's better than the Summer Sword except against dragons (and I am about to go into the last battle so I am carrying Yusaris in my pack specifically for the Archdemon battle). I also have Starfang but in the Longsword version, not the two-hander. My PC is wielding it.

Except that the +20 Physical resistance is useless to a two hander, because of Indomitable.
Also the Chance to knockback targets either dosent work, and the knock back is also pretty weak.

Yusaris is the best weapon when dealing with Haven, while Ageless is the best DS killing weapon.
Starfang is tied with the CGM though.