Monica21 wrote...
Nah, that's awesome. Though my Barbie used to marry G.I. Joe, because Ken was a bit of a ponce.
DragonRacer13 wrote...
I'm poking around the Interwebz because CalJones brought up an interesting theory. From the few studies I've read so far, there seems to be no real determining factor in which girls become a tomboy - whether she's an only child or has siblings - but really just random chance (seems a lot of girls grow out of it, too, oddly enough... I never did and prefer it that way, honestly; being a tomboy, after all, doesn't mean I'm incapable of putting on makeup and being a woman when I feel like it/at the workplace). I'm also finding some rather offensive "self-help' stories about how to raise a child OUT of being tomboy, like it's some unfortunate temporary illness. Kind of feeling myself wanting to punch my monitor.
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
I never had Barbies, but had a massive collection of my little ponies, which my pilfered G.I. Joe dolls would ride into battle.
G.I. Joe, kitted to the eyeballs with grenades, massive machine guns, ect, riding, or flying into battle upon the backs of pink and purple unicorns and pegasi with braided, bow-tie tails.
Just....Glorious!
CalJones wrote...
I just got a mental image of Cailan riding Alicorn into battle.
:happy:
:lol:
After reading about Loghain in The Stolen Thrown, I think even Loghain would have said the warden should execute him.Zjarcal wrote...
Persephone wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Zjarcal wrote...
Seriously, there should've been an option to back down from killing Loghain at that point.
Yep, there should have been.
Heck, it could have been a cutscene with you blocking Alistair's attack.
I mean at that point, I can think of many reasons why someone who wanted to kill Logain would back out and not let Alistair do it. It could be because you felt sorry for Loghain but it can also be to protect Alistair from this obsession. That would have given the character a deeper relationship with Alistair and would give us space to rp someone who doesn't do what Alistair wants precisely because we care for him.
But eh, I never take the dialogue options literally anyways, so what my character says is in my head.
Agreed, KOP. Why did they leave that "option" (Because it makes no difference) in? The Warden decides not to do it. Alistair jumps in. And the Warden just stands aside and nods? The cutscene should have shown a much more torn Warden, at least.
Short answer? They rushed it. Hence why no new cutscene was made, which in my view, should've been the case. Why would you nod in agreement if you just said you didn't want to kill him?
Meh, if he felt that strongly about it he could have forced the issue.Obadiah wrote...
After reading about Loghain in The Stolen Thrown, I think even Loghain would have said the warden should execute him.
There are quite a few timeline discrepencies between the books and the game, so I'm never sure which one is true. And I'm not sure at what age "manhood" is defined in Ferelden. I would say younger than 15 when his mother died, just based on the time he spent living as a nomad.DragonRacer13 wrote...
Mmm, yes, back to Loghain...
Speaking of things that affect us in childhood, I have random question, part 2... is it ever specifically stated how old Loghain is when.... um, well, when he loses his mother (to put it incredibly mildly)? The books had me under the impression that he was quite young at the time - like maybe 8 or 10 years old - but his banter with Dog made me wonder.
When he tells his story about Adalla, he says their family had her for ten years before the Orlesians took her away. He also says he was not yet a man when that happened, which would make me think he was a bit older... like pre-teen or teenage, honestly.
So, any ideas? Or are my perceptions regarding age just off?
CalJones wrote...
@Dragon - I got the impression he was in his teens. He's 18-19 when he meets Maric, so I'd guess at 14-16 when his mother is killed. I suppose it's not spelled out but I don't think he was a child.
Modifié par Obadiah, 26 septembre 2010 - 09:03 .
No one is denying that he is paranoid, at least Im not.Obadiah wrote...
After reading about Loghain, his family, and occupied Ferelden, and after hearing about present day Orlais from the Orlesian trader in the market district and Leliana, I have to agree with Loghain: Cailin was an idiot to even consider letting the Orlesian chevaliers back into the country, even 20 years after the occupation.
Just because Loghain was right though, doesn't mean he wasn't paranoid.
Very true, but a similar change of heart happened to certain other characters in Dragon Age's lore (don't want to spoil it for anyone who doesn't know out there, but their name began with "K") and Loghain's position was that, despite that, that person needed to be executed for their crimes. By the time of the landsmeet Loghain had committed some very serious crimes, and he knew it.Giggles_Manically wrote...
No one is denying that he is paranoid, at least Im not.Obadiah wrote...
After reading about Loghain, his family, and occupied Ferelden, and after hearing about present day Orlais from the Orlesian trader in the market district and Leliana, I have to agree with Loghain: Cailin was an idiot to even consider letting the Orlesian chevaliers back into the country, even 20 years after the occupation.
Just because Loghain was right though, doesn't mean he wasn't paranoid.
However when sparing him and letting his kill the archdemon you hear dialouge that shows he is not gone, and the old Loghain before the paranoia and delusion emerges.
Katriel was killed because she led the army into a trap at West Hill. "I'm sorry" doesn't cut it when you're the direct cause of over half the rebel forces.Obadiah wrote...
Very true, but a similar change of heart happened to certain other characters in Dragon Age's lore (don't want to spoil it for anyone who doesn't know out there, but their name began with "K") and Loghain's position was that, despite that, that person needed to be executed for their crimes. By the time of the landsmeet Loghain had committed some very serious crimes, and he knew it.
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Monica21 wrote...
Katriel was killed because she led the army into a trap at West Hill. "I'm sorry" doesn't cut it when you're the direct cause of over half the rebel forces.Obadiah wrote...
Very true, but a similar change of heart happened to certain other characters in Dragon Age's lore (don't want to spoil it for anyone who doesn't know out there, but their name began with "K") and Loghain's position was that, despite that, that person needed to be executed for their crimes. By the time of the landsmeet Loghain had committed some very serious crimes, and he knew it.
Because no one was saying "make her a grey warden at the time", plus she was a traitor who was working for Orlais, Loghain just left a bimbo to die in regards to Ostagar.MariSkep wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
Katriel was killed because she led the army into a trap at West Hill. "I'm sorry" doesn't cut it when you're the direct cause of over half the rebel forces.Obadiah wrote...
Very true, but a similar change of heart happened to certain other characters in Dragon Age's lore (don't want to spoil it for anyone who doesn't know out there, but their name began with "K") and Loghain's position was that, despite that, that person needed to be executed for their crimes. By the time of the landsmeet Loghain had committed some very serious crimes, and he knew it.
So why is executing Loghain a bad thing again?
When did Loghain lead anyone into a trap? When did he act as a spy? When was he cause of the death of half the army?MariSkep wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
Katriel was killed because she led the army into a trap at West Hill. "I'm sorry" doesn't cut it when you're the direct cause of over half the rebel forces.Obadiah wrote...
Very true, but a similar change of heart happened to certain other characters in Dragon Age's lore (don't want to spoil it for anyone who doesn't know out there, but their name began with "K") and Loghain's position was that, despite that, that person needed to be executed for their crimes. By the time of the landsmeet Loghain had committed some very serious crimes, and he knew it.
So why is executing Loghain a bad thing again?
Guest_MariSkep_*
...and Loghain pulled out of the battle at Ostagar at the last minute, got the King's army slaughtered (let's not forget there were a lot of patriotic soldiers down there, none of whom loved Ferelden any less than Loghain), and started a civil war. Not to mention that he tried to bolster his armies coiffers by selling the poor into slavery, and his support by taking out Aemon and allying with that snake Howe, and blaming the whole thing on the Warden.Monica21 wrote...
Katriel was killed because she led the army into a trap at West Hill. "I'm sorry" doesn't cut it when you're the direct cause of over half the rebel forces.Obadiah wrote...
Very true, but a similar change of heart happened to certain other characters in Dragon Age's lore (don't want to spoil it for anyone who doesn't know out there, but their name began with "K") and Loghain's position was that, despite that, that person needed to be executed for their crimes. By the time of the landsmeet Loghain had committed some very serious crimes, and he knew it.
Modifié par Obadiah, 26 septembre 2010 - 09:55 .
Very true - I chalk that up to being stunned or just development time constraints. They don't exactly complain when you execute him either.phaonica wrote...
Also, once they knew about Katriel's betrayal, Maric's side was probably going to demand her execution anyway. During the Blight, the Landsmeet does not demand Loghain death, even given all the 'evidence' they've been presented with.
Here I thought it was the darkspawn that were responsible for getting the King's army slaughtered, not Loghain. The darkspawn horde that kept growing in number with each battle and was larger than anyone expected.Obadiah wrote...
...and Loghain pulled out of the battle at Ostagar at the last minute, got the King's army slaughtered (let's not forget there a lot a patriotic soldiers down there none of whom loved Ferelden any less than Loghain), and started a civil war. Not to mention that he tried to bolster his armies coiffers by selling the poor into slavery, and his support by taking out Aemon and allying with that snake Howe, and blaming the whole thing on the Warden.Monica21 wrote...
Katriel was killed because she led the army into a trap at West Hill. "I'm sorry" doesn't cut it when you're the direct cause of over half the rebel forces.Obadiah wrote...
Very true, but a similar change of heart happened to certain other characters in Dragon Age's lore (don't want to spoil it for anyone who doesn't know out there, but their name began with "K") and Loghain's position was that, despite that, that person needed to be executed for their crimes. By the time of the landsmeet Loghain had committed some very serious crimes, and he knew it.
"I'm sorry," when you've finally been defeated in a duel doesn't really cut it either.
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