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[Monica21]

ejoslin wrote...
It's when you ask him if he was really going to kill Anora.  

And Monica21, it's np at all.  It was a very easy fix.

Edit: Everyone should be able to see that dialog, IMO.  It may not change anyone's mind, but there is a bit more information there.

Easy or no, it's still good to have, especially if you've dragged him across Ferelden on side quests you've saved. It really is appreciated.

[Persephone]

ejoslin wrote...

Persephone wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

Ohoh, thank you so much for testing it! I'll put it up on ZDF as an optional file. It is a shame that they didn't put this in the game :/ Reading through it changed my mind completely about Anora. There's so much to the character.

Anora? Ejoslin, which dialogue options are those? Asking about her at camp? (Must have done it wrong) Or somewhere else?

It's when you ask him if he was really going to kill Anora.  

And Monica21, it's np at all.  It was a very easy fix.

Edit: Everyone should be able to see that dialog, IMO.  It may not change anyone's mind, but there is a bit more information there.

I just saw the dialogue you mentioned. WOW. Another "small" yet utterly powerful part. It changes quite a lot.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

I just saw the dialogue you mentioned. WOW. Another "small" yet utterly powerful part. It changes quite a lot.

What does he say??

[ejoslin]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I just saw the dialogue you mentioned. WOW. Another "small" yet utterly powerful part. It changes quite a lot.

What does he say??

Anora was justified for believing Howe would kill her.  Her life really was in danger.  Howe had suggested to Loghain that they kill Anora, and Loghain told him no and Anora knew about it.

Modifié par ejoslin, 30 septembre 2010 - 04:10 .

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I just saw the dialogue you mentioned. WOW. Another "small" yet utterly powerful part. It changes quite a lot.

What does he say??

If you ask him "Why would she (Anora) invent such a story?" he says something to the effect that she did not. Howe proposed the idea, Loghain refused it. Anora must have heard that discussion and based her fears on it. Even if her father said no, she did not trust him enough anymore.

[KnightofPhoenix]

...then why would Anora go visit Howe? Unless he kidnapped her?

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

...then why would Anora go visit Howe? Unless he kidnapped her?

Lazy devs.

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

...then why would Anora go visit Howe? Unless he kidnapped her?

It was all part of her Xanatos Gambit to ally with the Wardens. She stopped by at Howe's the minute she heard that Eamon and the Warden were in town and then sent Erlina to Eamon's estate.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

...then why would Anora go visit Howe? Unless he kidnapped her?

Lazy devs.

It's really starting to sound like a mess.

It's a wonder it turned out to be the best damn game I've played.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

...then why would Anora go visit Howe? Unless he kidnapped her?

It was all part of her Xanatos Gambit to ally with the Wardens. She stopped by at Howe's the minute she heard that Eamon and the Warden were in town and then sent Erlina to Eamon's estate.

Hmmm. Suddenly I like her more

[ejoslin]

Or she believed she was well enough guarded. HER guards allowed her to be imprisoned, however, which would be enough for me, in that situation, to be convinced Howe was just waiting for an opportunity to frame someone else for it.

Edit: Then again, I can be easily convinced.

Modifié par ejoslin, 30 septembre 2010 - 04:15 .

[CalJones]

Thanks for this, Ejoslin. I'll definitely try it next time I play Origins.

[DragonRacer13]

Any chance of seeing this new, hidden dialogue posted here?

For KoP and me, and any other poor Loghain fan who is chained to the console version for the forseeable future?

Pwease. Pwetty pwease.

[saruman85]

Persephone wrote...
If you ask him "Why would she (Anora) invent such a story?" he says something to the effect that she did not. Howe proposed the idea, Loghain refused it. Anora must have heard that discussion and based her fears on it. Even if her father said no, she did not trust him enough anymore.

Whoa. Just whoa. You know, this would shut a lot of them Loghain haters up.

[Giggles_Manically]

saruman85 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
If you ask him "Why would she (Anora) invent such a story?" he says something to the effect that she did not. Howe proposed the idea, Loghain refused it. Anora must have heard that discussion and based her fears on it. Even if her father said no, she did not trust him enough anymore.

Whoa. Just whoa. You know, this would shut a lot of them Loghain haters up.

Probably not though.
Those folks are a seriously wierd bunch.

[Elhanan]

saruman85 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
If you ask him "Why would she (Anora) invent such a story?" he says something to the effect that she did not. Howe proposed the idea, Loghain refused it. Anora must have heard that discussion and based her fears on it. Even if her father said no, she did not trust him enough anymore.

Whoa. Just whoa. You know, this would shut a lot of them Loghain haters up.

Not me, as Howe is still allowed to live, kill, trap, torture, etc. Loghain may be against the ideas, but he is complicit in the crimes by leaving this vermin in power.

[saruman85]

Elhanan wrote...
Not me, as Howe is still allowed to live, kill, trap, torture, etc. Loghain may be against the ideas, but he is complicit in the crimes by leaving this vermin in power.

...if I were you, I'd start running and ducking for cover right about now...

But no, I didn't say it absolved him of his crimes. Just that it adds a little more depth to his motivation. Makes him more tragic, actually.

You know, I've never let Anora betray me at the Landsmeet. Maybe I should do that, just for the dialogue and to spare Loggy some heartbreak...

[Elhanan]

I do believe Loghain is a richer character than Howe, but he is still a stnker.

I use the Anora betrayals for motivation to place Alistair on the throne.

[phaonica]

Ellewilde uploaded some more videos.

DAO Were you really going to kill Anora - Loghain is friendly

DAO After Riordan's revelation about the archdemon. - Loghain is friendly

DAO On the roof of Fort Drakon - Loghain is friendly

And some more cut footage.

DAO Renold the Propagandist - Loghain in party

Modifié par phaonica, 30 septembre 2010 - 06:15 .

[Giggles_Manically]

phaonica wrote...

Ellewilde uploaded some more videos.

DAO Were you really going to kill Anora - Loghain is friendly

DAO After Riordan's revelation about the archdemon. - Loghain is friendly

DAO On the roof of Fort Drakon - Loghain is friendly

And some more cut footage.

DAO Renold the Propagandist - Loghain in party

WOW! That adds some amazing depth especially on Ft. Drakon.

[phaonica]

And VO notes

DAO Were you really going to kill Anora - Loghain is friendly
No VO notes

DAO After Riordan's revelation about the archdemon. - Loghain is friendly
No VO notes

DAO On the roof of Fort Drakon - Loghain is friendly
"I would have expected you to kill me for what I did to you and you didn't. You have proven... a friend."
VO: said with begrudging respect and the end part almost in surprise
"I thought all along that only I could save Ferelden, but it was you."
VO: he's ashamed to say this

[Zjarcal]

Oh man! He actually calls you a friend?

[saruman85]

Zjarcal wrote...
Oh man! He actually calls you a friend?

I know... I was waiting for that in-game too.

More power to you, phaonica.

Modifié par saruman85, 30 septembre 2010 - 06:34 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I actually got it in my video: - Skip to 4:15 for the whole speech.