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Why Teyrn Loghain is the deepest character in Dragon Age


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Zjarcal wrote...
Well, that doesn't bode well for the Warden either, you still die!


Of course, but then you have the opportunity to escape. Instead of risk a fight when greatly outnumbered that oculd result in your death. And for some reason, it doesn't.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
Well, that doesn't bode well for the Warden either, you still die!


Of course, but then you have the opportunity to escape. Instead of risk a fight when greatly outnumbered that oculd result in your death. And for some reason, it doesn't.


Ok, a question to everyone, how feasible do you think it would be for the Warden to escape Ft. Drakon?

The way Ft. Drakon is painted in the game it seems like a cakewalk, but I'd like to believe the place is much more heavily guarded and that the guards actually have brains in their heads.

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Zjarcal wrote...
Ok, a question to everyone, how feasible do you think it would be for the Warden to escape Ft. Drakon?

The way Ft. Drakon is painted in the game it seems like a cakewalk, but I'd like to believe the place is much more heavily guarded and that the guards actually have brains in their heads.


The Warden singlehandedely got out of the Fade...in the relm of a Demon.

But yea the prison break is a bit ridiculous and imo, only serves as comic relief.

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Zjarcal wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
Well, that doesn't bode well for the Warden either, you still die!


Of course, but then you have the opportunity to escape. Instead of risk a fight when greatly outnumbered that oculd result in your death. And for some reason, it doesn't.


Ok, a question to everyone, how feasible do you think it would be for the Warden to escape Ft. Drakon?

The way Ft. Drakon is painted in the game it seems like a cakewalk, but I'd like to believe the place is much more heavily guarded and that the guards actually have brains in their heads.

That depends. Fighting your way out has horrible odds but joining the patrol and sneaking out is perfectly feasible if you're human. Dwarves are uncommon on the Surface and everyone thinks of them as merchants or smiths so a dwarven warrior should stand out and everyone knows how Denerim feels about elves and weapons. If it's known that the Warden is a dwarf or an elf then an unusual guard would be even more suspicious. Having Alistair stop in the middle of the questioning to ask you what he should say is also a facepalm moment.

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Zjarcal wrote...
Ok, a question to everyone, how feasible do you think it would be for the Warden to escape Ft. Drakon?

The way Ft. Drakon is painted in the game it seems like a cakewalk, but I'd like to believe the place is much more heavily guarded and that the guards actually have brains in their heads.


The sneak out is much more feasible, IMO, so long as the Warden is human.  Actually fighting your way out of a place like that, I'd think would be pretty damn impossible.

But it is fun.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Warden singlehandedely got out of the Fade...in the relm of a Demon.

But yea the prison break is a bit ridiculous and imo, only serves as comic relief.


Hmm, the Fade, I had forgotten about that. The Warden is a badass after all... :bandit:

While I love the "Captured" quest, I do wish there had been a serious prison break scenario.

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That depends. Fighting your way out has horrible odds but joining the patrol and sneaking out is perfectly feasible if you're human. Dwarves are uncommon on the Surface and everyone thinks of them as merchants or smiths so a dwarven warrior should stand out and everyone knows how Denerim feels about elves and weapons. If it's known that the Warden is a dwarf or an elf then an unusual guard would be even more suspicious. Having Alistair stop in the middle of the questioning to ask you what he should say is also a facepalm moment.


I had forgotten about Alistair doing that... one more reason to not be crazy about him.

And I guess you're right, although I still think it wouldn't be so easy for the Warden to persuade the guard to open the cell. Aside from that, yeah, I suppose sneaking is a viable option for a human.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 01 octobre 2010 - 12:43 .


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And I guess you're right, although I still think it wouldn't be so easy for the Warden to persuade the guard to open the cell. Aside from that, yeah, I suppose sneaking is a viable option for a human.

I never do that. I just pick the lock which is perfectly feasible for any even mage or warrior to know how to do (game mechanics not withstanding). A mage killing the guard is also really plausible although a non-mage in their underwear and unarmed killing an armed and armored guard is a bit surprising.

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I actually wait for Morrigan to show up. I thought that was the point of the ring she gave me anyhow. Plus, it would be more romantic :wub:

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Knight: I really, really hate people who think that they bring a discussion on-topic by posting a pic.



As for the rest, sending a PM.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I actually wait for Morrigan to show up. I thought that was the point of the ring she gave me anyhow. Plus, it would be more romantic :wub:

As much as it would be nice for my party members to actually do something for once, none of my characters have it in them to wait patiently to be rescued.

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As much as it would be nice for my party members to actually do something for once, none of my characters have it in them to wait patiently to be rescued.


Well yea it would be awkward if you just stood there waiting, and waiting, and waiting and they still don't show up.

But I have faith in my followers. And Morrigan.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I actually wait for Morrigan to show up. I thought that was the point of the ring she gave me anyhow. Plus, it would be more romantic :wub:


That's a nice bit, when Morrigan tells you how she can find you with the ring. That's about the only case in which I would consider surrendering.

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That's a nice bit, when Morrigan tells you how she can find you with the ring. That's about the only case in which I would consider surrendering.


I rp that my PC gave her a wink when Cauthrien took him. ;)

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...
As much as it would be nice for my party members to actually do something for once, none of my characters have it in them to wait patiently to be rescued.


Well yea it would be awkward if you just stood there waiting, and waiting, and waiting and they still don't show up.

But I have faith in my followers. And Morrigan.

Keep in mind, Morrigan can't possibly like my characters even remotely as much as she likes yours and they're usually female so no ring. Plus, do you really expect me to be able to stay locked up with Alistair while we're both in our underwear for hours on end?!?! Posted Image

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 Plus, do you really expect me to be able to stay locked up with Alistair while we're both in our underwear for hours on end?!?! Posted Image


Yea that must have been traumatising, I am so sorry :D

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 Keep in mind, Morrigan can't possibly like my characters even remotely as much as she likes yours and they're usually female so no ring. Plus, do you really expect me to be able to stay locked up with Alistair while we're both in our underwear for hours on end?!?! Posted Image


GAH! :sick:

Thankfully I never have Alistair in my party so even if I surrendered, I wouldn't have to deal with him.

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Why does the game place you in your underwear...never understood THAT part.




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Well, if they decide to strip you of your armor and weapons, I doubt they would bother giving you some common clothes.

Although that is the case in Awakening when the Architect captures you.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 01 octobre 2010 - 01:06 .


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Zjarcal wrote...

Well, if they decide to strip you of your armor and weapons, I doubt they would bother giving you some common clothes.

Although that is the case in Awakening when the Architect captures you.


Because he is more civil than humans.

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Besides Morrigan I can't imagine the PC and his/her companions wouldn't be wearing clothing beneath their armor.

How does Morrigan have a bra by the way?!

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 01 octobre 2010 - 01:28 .


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Now that I think about it, Leliana is still wearing her armor when she's imprisoned in "Leliana's Song", while Sketch and Silas are wearing clothes.



I suppose the guards just wanted to humiliate the Warden.

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Zjarcal wrote...

Now that I think about it, Leliana is still wearing her armor when she's imprisoned in "Leliana's Song", while Sketch and Silas are wearing clothes.

I suppose the guards just wanted to humiliate the Warden.


Maybe they tortured you for a bit?
The other prisoner was in his underwear too.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Now that I think about it, Leliana is still wearing her armor when she's imprisoned in "Leliana's Song", while Sketch and Silas are wearing clothes.

I suppose the guards just wanted to humiliate the Warden.


Maybe they tortured you for a bit?
The other prisoner was in his underwear too.


That would be my guess. It seems to be the common thing in Ft. Drakon, to torture the prisoners.

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That does not mean that it's in the Wardens best interest to go along with this but I can't blame Anora for not wanting you to tattle on her to Cauthrien.

This was really the only reason I argued it, because I think that there can be a reason to 'betray' Anora that isn't just the warden being stupid or insensitive or whatever. It may not be in Anora's best interest, obviously, but it might be in the Warden's (and Anora's, given what you know) to try, imo.

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And you really have yourself to blame at that point, you backed her into a corner when she warned you not to a few seconds ago.

Only when Cauthrien backs the Warden into a corner. You are led to assume that your interests and Anora's are the same (I'm reminded of the whole alliance discussion earlier) (and excepting that it is very obviously a trap set by someone), but you quickly find out that they are not. I'm not saying that I don't understand why Anora did it (after the fact) ... just that the Warden is not necessarily just being a stupid @ss by revealing her. At the time, it can seem to be in both their interests for Anora to try to speak up. Especially if your reasoning is 1) no surrender 2) try to talk your way out of it 3) if all else fails, fight

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I never surrender for the reasons I stated in an earlier post. It's illogical to think you will be shown mercy.

 Agreed.

 I wish we didn't have to kill Cauthrien, since her convo at the Landsmeet chamber is awesome, but to hell with it.


Or you can choose to fight and then (accidently or on purpose) lose, which means you don't have to surrender, and Cauthrien lives! Yay! :P

As for Ft Drakon, if one thinks they can't beat Cauthrien's small army, I'm not sure how one would think they'd be able to escape from whatever prison she put you in, assuming that you would also be heavily guarded (which you're not and that makes no sense, but is besides the point).

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Or you can choose to fight and then (accidently or on purpose) lose, which means you don't have to surrender, and Cauthrien lives! Yay! :P

Didn't people say the other day that doing that meant she wouldn't get persuaded not to attack you outside the Landsmeet chambers?