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[Zjarcal]

@Addai:



Is your new avatar Loggy's girl?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Monica21 wrote...
Agreed. He doesn't exactly sound like a farmer, I don't think. Then again, I have no idea what a medieval farmer would sound like.

It is peculiar how eloquent he is. I do remember something, maybe a codex entry, referring to him as a self-taught gentleman.

[Addai]

Zjarcal wrote...

@Addai:

Is your new avatar Loggy's girl?

Yes.    As best I could create her with a few minutes in the CC.  I wanted to replay the HN origin so I threw an Ellie together for it just for kicks.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

@Addai:

Is your new avatar Loggy's girl?

Yes.    As best I could create her with a few minutes in the CC.  I wanted to replay the HN origin so I threw an Ellie together for it just for kicks.

Eh, Loghain is lucky, she is pretty.

[Addai]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Eh, Loghain is lucky, she is pretty.

That's certainly what Papa Cousland would say. 

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Zjarcal wrote...

phaonica wrote...

Hey, it's cool! I was just curious.

I know! I just hate how the fitting for most of my characters it to kill Loghain... 

I've been wanting to do another playthrough so bad recently. I have some characters thought up and I'm so curious how the game would play out with them (because both my previous characters kind of took on a life of their own and surprised me, even though I thought I knew what would happen).

I love it when a character takes on a life of their own. This happened to me in Awakening with an Orlesian assassin. I intended for her to be a flat out jerk at first but she evolved into a cunning and devious, smooth talking lass. She was a horrible person nonetheless.

I just finished my 2nd playthrough. Neither of my Wardens so far have spared Loghain, but while my first Warden had no problem executing him (or rather, allowing Alistair to do so), my second Warden had a sour taste in her mouth for pretty much the rest of her mission after Landsmeet and wound up leaving Ferelden with Sten and Zevran after killing the Archdemon. She also never sold Loghain's crown that she had stolen as part of the "Crime Wave" quest, even though she was short of cash when dealing with Sandal in Fort Drakon and could have used the money.

My Mage will spare him. I also have envisioned a Dalish Rogue archer who will probably execute him, and Human and Dwarf Noble Warriors who will probably spare him. I say "probably" because like Zjarcal said, these characters do take on lives of their own sometimes and once you come to the point, you can't in good RP conscience make them do what you had planned for them to do just because you had planned it that way.

I think it makes sense that even Loghain fans, when they're RPing their characters rather than following their own inclinations, find themselves executing him at least as much if not more often than not. The game was designed for sparing Loghain to be the alternate choice --correct me if DG has said otherwise, but the way the game is stacked against him I have to believe that that's the case.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Addai67 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Eh, Loghain is lucky, she is pretty.

That's certainly what Papa Cousland would say. 

All dads say that
But in this case, he is absolutely right.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Monica21 wrote...
Agreed. He doesn't exactly sound like a farmer, I don't think. Then again, I have no idea what a medieval farmer would sound like.

It is peculiar how eloquent he is. I do remember something, maybe a codex entry, referring to him as a self-taught gentleman.

I'm not an expert on British accents --and apologies to CalJones and any other UK players for my ignorance-- but his voice in this party banter with Dog seems to me to have a less formal/RP tone (and I mean besides the fact that he's talking to the dog ). Maybe he has an "official" voice and another for when he lets his hair down, so to speak?

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 03 octobre 2010 - 05:53 .

[Zjarcal]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

I think it makes sense that even Loghain fans, when they're RPing their characters rather than following their own inclinations, find themselves executing him at least as much if not more often than not. The game was designed for sparing Loghain to be the alternate choice --correct me if DG has said otherwise, but the way the game is stacked against him I have to believe that that's the case.

I agree. As I said, I only spare him in one of my playthroughs and that's my HNF. She's the only one who truly knows who he is, hence why she believes in his redemption. For the rest of my characters, what's shown in game isn't enough to convince them to spare him, even if that's what I wanted to do.

[CalJones]

Heh, that's not unusual. As a kid growing up in London, I had different accents for home and school - I was very well spoken when speaking to my parents but lapsed into a South East London accent for school (that's the same accent as Jason Statham, since he grew up a few miles from where I did). Today my default accent is somewhere between the two but I tend to change how I speak depending on who I'm speaking to. I've just started a new job as a PE teacher at a girl's prep school, so I tend to speak quite nicely there (interspersed with lots of yelling).



Regarding sparing Loghain... My first character didn't and I felt horrible. My Dalish elf let Alistair kill him but that bit her on the ass as he turned round and made himself king, then dumped her (my actual plan was to put Anora on the throne and have Alistair and the elf both be wardens. Well at least I got that warden commander achievement, heh). Every other character has spared Loghain. Only the wardens romancing Morrigan have done the DR, thus far, which means my canon Cousland, and the mage who ended up going through the mirror. Loggy gets to redeem himself in the other games. Much as I like his cameo in Awakening, I do feel that's the most fitting ending for him.

[Addai]

Chapter 6 of The Arrangement is up.

[CalJones]

Again, wonderfully written. Thanks for keeping us updated. I've subscribed.

[Persephone]

Addai67 wrote...

Chapter 6 of The Arrangement is up.

:wub::wub:

[Sarah1281]

So am I the only one who had a CE spare Loghain? The slavery issue was pretty bad but she had just seen how bad killing a member of the nobility (Vaughan) had turned out for everyone and the fallout from that was part of the justification given for the slaving in the first place so she wasn't about to kill an even more powerful noble in front of all the other nobles for fear of the fallout.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Sarah1281 wrote...

So am I the only one who had a CE spare Loghain? The slavery issue was pretty bad but she had just seen how bad killing a member of the nobility (Vaughan) had turned out for everyone and the fallout from that was part of the justification given for the slaving in the first place so she wasn't about to kill an even more powerful noble in front of all the other nobles for fear of the fallout.

I think if my CE's party had lost in the Landsmeet I would have considered that, but nearly all the nobles turned against him, so it didn't seem to be a big danger.

[Persephone]

Chapter five of The Edge Of The Grey Enigma can be read here: www.fanfiction.net/s/6087280/5/

Enjoy! (I hope!) 

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

So am I the only one who had a CE spare Loghain? The slavery issue was pretty bad but she had just seen how bad killing a member of the nobility (Vaughan) had turned out for everyone and the fallout from that was part of the justification given for the slaving in the first place so she wasn't about to kill an even more powerful noble in front of all the other nobles for fear of the fallout.

I guess I've never associated the death of Vaughn to the problems the Alienage suffered. In my CE's mind, those things would've occurred whether Vaughn was killed or not. I mean before his death it was already okay for the nobles to come in and kidnap women to have them raped and possibly killed at their will (well, the men too if that's what they wanted). That's already as bad as it gets in my mind, slavery is just a different kind of torture (or death).

So no, in my CE's mind, killing Vaughn's death wasn't the reason the Alienage "burned", hence why killing another powerful noble wasn't a big deal. And like Morwen said, the nobles had already turned against him so I doubt there would be any fallout against the elves. Hell, they supported you even if you killed Howe in his home. Nope, my CE wasn't concerned at all.

But to be fair, that is a very good justification to have a CE spare Loghain, in the sense that she (he) is doing it for the sake of her (his) fellow elves.

[Persephone]

And for those who are curious, this is my lovely heroine. Ignore her company.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone, your PC is scary in the hot kind of way ;P

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

So am I the only one who had a CE spare Loghain? The slavery issue was pretty bad but she had just seen how bad killing a member of the nobility (Vaughan) had turned out for everyone and the fallout from that was part of the justification given for the slaving in the first place so she wasn't about to kill an even more powerful noble in front of all the other nobles for fear of the fallout.

I guess I've never associated the death of Vaughn to the problems the Alienage suffered. In my CE's mind, those things would've occurred whether Vaughn was killed or not. I mean before his death it was already okay for the nobles to come in and kidnap women to have them raped and possibly killed at their will (well, the men too if that's what they wanted). That's already as bad as it gets in my mind, slavery is just a different kind of torture (or death).

So no, in my CE's mind, killing Vaughn's death wasn't the reason the Alienage "burned", hence why killing another powerful noble wasn't a big deal. And like Morwen said, the nobles had already turned against him so I doubt there would be any fallout against the elves. Hell, they supported you even if you killed Howe in his home. Nope, my CE wasn't concerned at all.

But to be fair, that is a very good justification to have a CE spare Loghain, in the sense that she (he) is doing it for the sake of her (his) fellow elves.

Through meta-gaming we know that if Vaughan isn't killed then Howe will fake his death and use that as an excuse to purge the Alienage but without that, it's a matter of Vaughan going on raping sprees but not having any purges (which he warns will happen if you kill him) and once he's dead that's the excuse that Arl Howe has for leading the purges. You only meet Howe once and he's not very nice but it's only a short meeting before you kill him which sounds like it could also get you into trouble with the way Loghain brings it up during the Landsmeet. And even if the CE manages to avoid the consequences of her actions (again) she's already seen that the Alienage won't necessarily be so lucky.

I was really only wondering if anyone else had a CE that spared Loghain since everyone seems to be saying taht they're CE, in particular, insisted on killing them. It doesn't really have to be for the reason mine did.

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone, your PC is scary in the hot kind of way ;P

Glad I managed to convey that.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...
I was really only wondering if anyone else had a CE that spared Loghain since everyone seems to be saying taht they're CE, in particular, insisted on killing them. It doesn't really have to be for the reason mine did.

Well I never played a CE because I don't like playing elves for some reason. But I could definately find reasons for a CE to spare him, your reason being the most pertinente.

At first glance, some choices might look as if they don't make sense for a particular origin. They are more challenging but also more rewarding to rp methinks. 

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 03 octobre 2010 - 03:36 .

[DragonRacer13]

Nope, my city elf spared Loghain. Heck, my fanfic was actually spawned from the ongoing notion around the forums that it is 100% impossible for a city elf to spare Loghain.  

[Monica21]

DragonRacer13 wrote...

Nope, my city elf spared Loghain. Heck, my fanfic was actually spawned from the ongoing notion around the forums that it is 100% impossible for a city elf to spare Loghain.  

I don't particularly like playing elves either, but I admit to having a hard time seeing how one could spare Loghain. I do like Sarah's reasoning though.

[Persephone]

DragonRacer13 wrote...

Nope, my city elf spared Loghain. Heck, my fanfic was actually spawned from the ongoing notion around the forums that it is 100% impossible for a city elf to spare Loghain.  

Hehe. That made that intense quarrel in Ch 3 of your story possible.