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[Elhanan]

With all them flaming torches, I would have thought Grease to be not only a good spell, but even better than the oil at Redcliffe. When one is stuck with low lvls, one must improvise....

But guess it is easier to rest on ones past rep as a great leader and not even try, than to attempt to use the plan in motion to try, be it failure or not. Kinda glad a few great leaders chose to do things the crazy way, and give it a shot be it the Alamo, Thermopylae, Trafalgar, or Gettysberg.

Modifié par Elhanan, 08 octobre 2010 - 08:26 .

[Sarah1281]

Elhanan wrote...

With all them flaming torches, I would have thought Grease to be not only a good spell, but even better than the oil at Redcliffe. When one is stuck with low lvls, one must improvise....

But guess it is easier to rest on ones past rep as a great leader and not even try, than to attempt to use the plan in motion to try, be it failure or not. Kinda glad a few great leaders chose to do things the crazy way, and give it a shot be it the Alamo, Thermopylae, Trafalgar, or Gettysberg.

Seven mages nowhere near Loghain and who were being held back by the Revered Mother and retreated before Loghain did. How the hell could them being able to use grease win the battle? 

[KnightofPhoenix]

Try to actually know the examples you are using Elhanan. Calculated risk =/= idiotic risk.

[Elhanan]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Seven mages nowhere near Loghain and who were being held back by the Revered Mother and retreated before Loghain did. How the hell could them being able to use grease win the battle? 

I was jesting that all the available mages were of equivilant low lvl as the one we met in the Tower, and Grease spell or grease barrels might have made some lasting impression on the less than fireproof Darkspawn, many of which were bearing torches.

But now that you mention it, perhaps Alistair should have taken another message back to another mage and said it was from the Revered Mother again; that also seemed to light a fuse.

My point earlier stands; not trying always equals failure. Sure; trying may fail, but sometimes even such failure elevates others to greatness. And occasionally, one may even overcome the odds and win. But you will never know if you do not try. Well, unless your path for escape is what you planned more for to begin with, being a great general and all....

[Elhanan]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Try to actually know the examples you are using Elhanan. Calculated risk =/= idiotic risk.

I will leave the greatness of such stats in your historical court. I prefer to have hope in underdogs, Medal of Honor winners the home team, and other things of us lessers.

[Xilizhra]

Ugh. Exactly what corner of Loghain's ass do you think he could pull a miracle from?

[Giggles_Manically]

Elhanan wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Try to actually know the examples you are using Elhanan. Calculated risk =/= idiotic risk.

I will leave the greatness of such stats in your historical court. I prefer to have hope in underdogs, Medal of Honor winners the home team, and other things of us lessers.

So yes...
Loghain should have stuck his head up the ass of legend and glory....
Charged his smaller force right into the teeth of a large darkspawn horde.....
And then won glory and renown as the clouds rolled back and a sweeping score played....
.....

[phaonica]

Elhanan  wrote...

My point earlier stands; not trying always equals failure. Sure; trying may fail, but sometimes even such failure elevates others to greatness. And occasionally, one may even overcome the odds and win. But you will never know if you do not try. Well, unless your path for escape is what you planned more for to begin with, being a great general and all....

By this logic, do you think that there is *never* a good reason to retreat? Better to try and fail and lose the whole army than to retreat and try again? Or perhaps that a "good general" should never find himself in a position that requires retreat?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Elhanan wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Try to actually know the examples you are using Elhanan. Calculated risk =/= idiotic risk.

I will leave the greatness of such stats in your historical court. I prefer to have hope in underdogs, Medal of Honor winners the home team, and other things of us lessers.

At least you admit it.

[Elhanan]

So yes...

Loghain should have stuck his head up the ass of legend and glory....

At least it seems to be familiar territory to you....

[Giggles_Manically]

Elhanan wrote...

So yes...
Loghain should have stuck his head up the ass of legend and glory....

At least it seems to be familiar territory to you....

Oh touche good sir.

I however live in reality and dont use Lord of the Rings and Propaganda that says even the smallest person with enough courage can do ANYTHING.

Not really.

[Elhanan]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Try to actually know the examples you are using Elhanan. Calculated risk =/= idiotic risk.

I will leave the greatness of such stats in your historical court. I prefer to have hope in underdogs, Medal of Honor winners the home team, and other things of us lessers.

At least you admit it.

Tis rather appropriate considering the VO for your chosen avatar was also called 'Number One'....

[Elhanan]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Oh touche good sir.

I however live in reality and dont use Lord of the Rings and Propaganda that says even the smallest person with enough courage can do ANYTHING.

Not really.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Alvin_C._York


http://en.wikipedia....ki/Audie_Murphy

RL enough for you?

[Giggles_Manically]

AND?



Those were trained soldiers who are good at their job.

Heros are rare, and often win because of luck not from some silly sense of awesome.



What they dont list is how so many other underdogs were killed in the tens of thousands in those battles. Doing great deeds does not make you amzing, those two fellows were great soldiers, but they forget to mention that by the end of the day there werent many of their fellows standing anymore.

[Xilizhra]

Elhanan wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Oh touche good sir.

I however live in reality and dont use Lord of the Rings and Propaganda that says even the smallest person with enough courage can do ANYTHING.

Not really.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Alvin_C._York


http://en.wikipedia....ki/Audie_Murphy

RL enough for you?

To paraphrase Dilbert, "Your analogy only shows that other people can do other things."

[Giggles_Manically]

Xilizhra wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Oh touche good sir.

I however live in reality and dont use Lord of the Rings and Propaganda that says even the smallest person with enough courage can do ANYTHING.

Not really.

http://en.wikipedia....i/Alvin_C._York


http://en.wikipedia....ki/Audie_Murphy

RL enough for you?

To paraphrase Dilbert, "Your analogy only shows that other people can do other things."

Good point, simply because there are people who did amazing things dosent mean you should try to do it as well.

Or as Zoe in Firefly put it:
You want to know what a hero is? Its a person who gets other people killed.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Yes, because those two men single handedly turned the tide of the war.

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Yes, because those two men single handedly turned the tide of the war.

It wasent the Hundreds of thousands of dead guys, the massive industrial war effort, the economy supporting them, or anything else.

With courage one man can hold the forces of evil at bay!
Which is the whole plot of 300.

[Elhanan]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

AND?

Those were trained soldiers who are good at their job.
Heros are rare, and often win because of luck not from some silly sense of awesome.

What they dont list is how so many other underdogs were killed in the tens of thousands in those battles. Doing great deeds does not make you amzing, those two fellows were great soldiers, but they forget to mention that by the end of the day there werent many of their fellows standing anymore.

And Loghain can say the same thing at the end of his. Yet he don't look so happy with his choice.

Better have failed in the high aim, as I, Than vulgarly in the low aim succeed As, God be thanked! I do not.
Robert Browning Hamilton

[Costin_Razvan]

So you are now down to exchanging platitudes and beginning a flame war? Lovely.

Speaking about Loghain, I notice a great deal of people who do not like him because he is cold and harsh person.

Well, that's how generals ARE in reality. They are cold and harsh men who think of how to kill the enemy best, and they do so without a second thought. They send good men to their deaths throughout an entire war. There is a rumor regarding Rommel in World War 2.

Rommel: "Today is Christams and we shall celebrate. Hanz how is our wife?"
Hanz: "Sh-"
Rommel: "That was Christmas, now bring out the maps."

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 08 octobre 2010 - 11:37 .

[tool_bot]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
Speaking about Loghain, I notice a great deal of people who do not like him because he is cold and harsh person.

Well, that's how generals ARE in reality.

Not really.

[Costin_Razvan]

Based on what are you saying that if I might ask?

[tool_bot]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Based on what are you saying that if I might ask?

Having heard them talk. Not every officer is Chesty Puller.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin_Razvan wrote...
So you are now down to exchanging platitudes and beginning a flame war? Lovely.

Isn't that what always happens whenever Loghain is mentionned? The side that can no longer provide reasonable arguments resorts to stuff like this.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 09 octobre 2010 - 12:09 .

[Costin_Razvan]

tool_bot wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Based on what are you saying that if I might ask?

Having heard them talk. Not every officer is Chesty Puller.

How they act and talk with civilians and in their personal lives differs greatly to how they act and talk while in charge of a combat operation, or an entire war like Loghain is.