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[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...
So you are now down to exchanging platitudes and beginning a flame war? Lovely.

Isn't that what always happens whenever Loghain is mentionned? The side that can no longer provide reasonable arguments resorts to stuff like this.

That is how most arguments on the net go the longer they run the closer one side gets to flaming.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...
That is how most arguments on the net go the longer they run the closer one side gets to flaming.

Happens faster and much more frequently with Loghain, it would seem.

Bah anyways, what can we talk about that is Loghain related?
Does anyone else want to know more about the battle of the River Dane? That is, imo, Loghain's finest moment baring the redeemer ending and seeing how Loghain is often described as a brilliant tactician and strategist (something we don't get to see much of in-game, except hear about him wiping the floor with the bannorn), I would think that this battle in particular would cement his brilliance.
So how do you imagine the River Dane?

Hmmm, someone should write an ff about it...

[Giggles_Manically]

A High Dragon rampaged west of the Frostback Mountains before the battle of River Dane.

The battle of river Dane occurred in 8:99 and was a pivotal battle during the Fereldan rebellion. Orlesian chevaliers crossing the river Dane were ambushed and killed by rebels led by Loghain Mac Tir, who then claimed the Orlesian commander's armour for his own.



This is from the wiki.



If I can imagine it:

The Orlesians were crossing the river either over a bridge or a shallow point.



Loghain was on the other side with his men waiting in ambush.

When the advance force got to the other side and there was a good deal of men on the crossing he attacked.



Using suprise he routed the men who had crossed leading to a confused advance/retreat in a narrow point.

This allowed his men to slaughter the Orlesians who were not in any way able to fight back.



Loghain managed to engage the Chevalier Commander pwning his poncey ass, and demoralizing the rest into retreat.

Or the guy drowned/got killed by someone else and Loghain took his armor later.



That would be my way of doing it, somewhat in the vein of William Wallace and the Scottish Rebels at the battle of: Stirling Bridge.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

One of these days I might try my hand at ff but I'd hesitate to start with a story based on a military campaign because, well, I'd have no clue what I was talking about.

[Giggles_Manically]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

One of these days I might try my hand at ff but I'd hesitate to start with a story based on a military campaign because, well, I'd have no clue what I was talking about.

I could give you help I have read so many books on warfare, the Art of War by Sun Tzu , and many others so if you want help I can point things out for you.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Didn't Loghain charge down from a cliff? That's what I remember.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

One of these days I might try my hand at ff but I'd hesitate to start with a story based on a military campaign because, well, I'd have no clue what I was talking about.

I could give you help I have read so many books on warfare, the Art of War by Sun Tzu , and many others so if you want help I can point things out for you.

Yeah, but the actual fighting part; I've never been in so much as a fistfight. I do, however, have enough friends and relations who have been in the armed forces to respect the fact that there's absolutely no way I can truly know what it's like to be in a war.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 09 octobre 2010 - 01:22 .

[Elhanan]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

So you are now down to exchanging platitudes and beginning a flame war? Lovely.

Speaking about Loghain, I notice a great deal of people who do not like him because he is cold and harsh person.

Well, that's how generals ARE in reality. They are cold and harsh men who think of how to kill the enemy best, and they do so without a second thought. They send good men to their deaths throughout an entire war. There is a rumor regarding Rommel in World War 2.

Rommel: "Today is Christams and we shall celebrate. Hanz how is our wife?"
Hanz: "Sh-"
Rommel: "That was Christmas, now bring out the maps."

While this may have been your experience, mine has been different. Of course, it may have been due to my charming personality, and my willingness to exchange platitudes.

As far as Loghain, he is shown to be a capable leader given the opportunity. Sadly as he is guilty of multiple crimes, I rarely grant him this chance to get and know me better.

[tool_bot]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

tool_bot wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Based on what are you saying that if I might ask?

Having heard them talk. Not every officer is Chesty Puller.

How they act and talk with civilians and in their personal lives differs greatly to how they act and talk while in charge of a combat operation, or an entire war like Loghain is. 

Very true. But I still don't see where you're getting the borderline sociopath or uber gungho war dog.

[Giggles_Manically]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Didn't Loghain charge down from a cliff? That's what I remember.

Havent read the book in a long time.
Really all you need for an ambush is like foliage, or a a dip in the ground.

Also I just beat ME2 on Insanity at last.
Nothing like it, but I am never doing that again.

[Monica21]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Didn't Loghain charge down from a cliff? That's what I remember.

Havent read the book in a long time.
Really all you need for an ambush is like foliage, or a a dip in the ground.

Also I just beat ME2 on Insanity at last.
Nothing like it, but I am never doing that again.

That's one thing I miss from the book. The pages were getting fewer and fewer and I kept thinking "Where's the battle already?" And then it was just "Loghain sees a dragon. Rebels win." Eh?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Exact same reaction Monica. I only read the book for Loghain and I was psyched to read about The River Dane and we get this. Meh.

[Monica21]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Exact same reaction Monica. I only read the book for Loghain and I was psyched to read about The River Dane and we get this. Meh.

I think I would have even been happy with a description of the terrain or something and what the odds were. Although, I haven't read it in awhile, and I really am too lazy right now to get up and take 10 steps to see if such a description exists.

And I think the high dragon at the urn is the same dragon. It may not be, but I like to believe it is, so I never kill it.

[CalJones]

Yeah, that was a big disappointment of an ending. I really didn't care about Maric going after Severin to avenge his stupid elf tart - I wanted to read about Loghain pwning Orlesians. Bah!

We didn't even get a good ending about Meghren. It's more like, oh and PS, Maric duelled him on Fort Drakon and won. The End.

[Giggles_Manically]

The ending was flat.

We needed like another 100, 200 words.



Then again I do read Robert Jordan novels so I am spoiled.

[CalJones]

It felt like DG ran out of time.

Haven't read any Robert Jordan - I used to read ****loads of fantasy when I was younger, though - Moorcock, Feist, Julian May, Stephen Donaldson and so on. Lots of sci-fi and horror, too. It was my reaction to having to plough through all these massive, weighty tomes when I was doing my Philosophy degree. I needed to read fluff the rest of the time.

[Costin_Razvan]

Very true. But I still don't see where you're getting the borderline sociopath or uber gungho war dog.

You seem to think there is another way to wage war unless you look at your soldiers as tools. Certainly most generals will care about their men in one way or another, but there is no general worth his stripes that wouldn't be ready to throw away those tools ( as Loghain puts it ), if need be.

Does that mean they all don't care about it? Most certainly not ( and Loghain does this as well ), but I do not think they are people who would show this to others. Generals need to appear confident otherwise morale will plummet among the troops.

As for River Dane. I shall write a fan fiction myself for it.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 09 octobre 2010 - 02:21 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Costin, if you can add maps and diagrams for the battle, that would be great. In fact, I can help you with that if you wish.

[Giggles_Manically]

I wish I could have asked Gaider about it during the PAX interviews.



However my net was down for most of them.

[tool_bot]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Very true. But I still don't see where you're getting the borderline sociopath or uber gungho war dog.

You seem to think there is another way to wage war unless you look at your soldiers as tools. Certainly most generals will care about their men in one way or another, but there is no general worth his stripes that wouldn't be ready to throw away those tools ( as Loghain puts it ), if need be.

Again, I agree but that's not how you described them in that earlier comment. You said all great generals are 'cold and harsh' which isn't true.

but I'm probably starting to derail so I'll drop it.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

I wish I could have asked Gaider about it during the PAX interviews.

However my net was down for most of them.

I don't think he would have had time to explain the battle.
In fact, I don't think he thought about it that much.

I really really wish the Dragon Age anime thingy has the River Dane in it.
I wouldn't like the DA anime to be set during Origins, as I pretty much know what choices they are going to make.

[Sarah1281]

I wouldn't like the DA anime to be set during Origins, as I pretty much know what choices they are going to make. 

Wynne would be the Team Mom and Loghain would be killed with righteous fury.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I wouldn't like the DA anime to be set during Origins, as I pretty much know what choices they are going to make. 

Wynne would be the Team Mom and Loghain would be killed with righteous fury.

And Harrowmont will be made king. Poor dwarves 

[Sarah1281]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

I wouldn't like the DA anime to be set during Origins, as I pretty much know what choices they are going to make. 

Wynne would be the Team Mom and Loghain would be killed with righteous fury.

And Harrowmont will be made king. Poor dwarves 

Eamon would probably be seen as a moral and likable character.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ugh this is so depressing. Do we know anything about the anime thing?