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[mousestalker]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

mousestalker wrote...
I'd say extremely detached, possibly even antisocial. With a City elf, you aren't just freeing acquaintances, you're freeing your father. Soris' wife Valora vanishes off to Minrathous. Loghain almost certainly had no idea that the slaves have any connection to you. But I think it would be extraordinarily difficult to be forgiving under those circumstances.

Not necessarily anti social. A City elf can understand that it's nothing personal, only business.
Impartial and rational yes. Detached, yes. Doesn't have to be anti-social.

Forgive me, but you just planted the image of Vito & Michael Corleone as elves in my mind. "Nothing personal, only business" indeed...

[KnightofPhoenix]

mousestalker wrote...
Forgive me, but you just planted the image of Vito & Michael Corleone as elves in my mind. "Nothing personal, only business" indeed...

Indeed, check the sig

[phaonica]

Zjarcal wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I can't see a Dalish Elf caring that much about the City Elves to be honest. It's clear they dislike them.

Generally yes, but you can always RP that you feel bad for them and would want to help them in anyway possible.

Exactly. You don't have to play a City Elf-hating Dalish any more than you have to play a human-hating Dalish.

I played a city elf that practically hated alienage life, and wanted nothing more than to find a way out of there. He didn't hate his own people, but he did *not* want to stay there in the alienage. I wouldn't have said he was evil or antisocial. But the slavery issue didn't cause any seething rage in him, either.

PS: Yay, Loghain survived Zjarcal's game, after all (DR pending)

Modifié par phaonica, 10 octobre 2010 - 06:51 .

[Addai]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I can't see a Dalish Elf caring that much about the City Elves to be honest. It's clear they dislike them.

Well that is why I say they wouldn't necessarily feel a kinship with the Night Elves, but you can RP it however you like.  The Dalish see themselves as guardians of the elven lore for all elves.  I tended to play my Dalish as having a slightly patronizing, compassionate outlook on city elves and very pissed off about the alienage slavery.  That is like, the ultimate confirmation of everything you've been taught as a Dalish elf that humans do to your kind if they have any kind of power.

[Zjarcal]

mousestalker wrote...

Self-promotion: I wrote a fanfic about that very issue.

That was great!! I loved the letters especially the PS, PPS, PPPS!

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Zjarcal wrote...

Yay, Loghain made it past the Landsmeet in my current playthrough! I originally thought I was going to kill him with my Dalish PC due to the slavery issue, but as someone in the Alistair thread mentioned (oh, the irony) a viable RP choice was to blame Howe for manipulating Loghain into doing it. I RP'd that this was brought up in a conversation with Anora. My PC was still angry at him mind you, but she's also a Dalish who has tried hard to bring the elves and humans together (she's romancing Leli despite her racist comment).

But Loghain had to somehow make it up to the elves in the Alienage, hence I left the Ser Otto quest for after the Landsmeet, so that Loghain would in someway help them.

Yay, Zjarcal! Have fun with the rest of your playthrough. I also intend to leave as much as possible for Loghain to do after I recruit him, including the orphanage quest and going back to Ostagar. Right now my Mage is in the Brecilian Forest, trying to help a bunch of extremely spiteful Dalish. <_< My thoughts when I started this playthrough had been to side with the Werewolves if I could find a reasonable RP situation to do so, and most of these Dalish seem determined to give me a reason.

I really need to read Addai's story, I haven't done it yet. Judging from the comments, it's excellent.

It is quite good, better than most ff I've read, though I mostly tend to stay away from ff as it either takes too many liberties with the source material or it just isn't written that well. Addai's story is written well, and from what I can tell it stays true to the source. I confess I have skipped over the parts that might delve too much into Loghain's and Maric's past, as I haven't read TST yet or had more than the standard conversations with Loghain in DA:O, and I don't want to be spoiled. But what I've read is good.

After KoP's request for River Dane ff, a story idea has come to mind for my own ff. It wouldn't be the story of the Battle of River Dane --I'll leave that to Costin-- but a story about the battle. Basically the scenario is, the DA:O party meet an old campaigner of Loghain's who was at the battle, and buy him rounds of ale while he tells his side of it. Of course, in order to get the particulars, I'd have to read TST, which I don't want to do until after I've had at least one playthrough of DA:O with Loghain as a companion. I don't want to go into that playthrough knowing more about him than my character should. So that's a project for down the road.

[Zjarcal]

phaonica wrote...

PS: Yay, Loghain survived Zjarcal's game, after all (DR pending)

LOL!

Oh, I'll make him sleep with the witch alright. The DR is one constant in all my games.

And I can't wait to try out ejoslin's fix that allows Loghain to reach "friendly" status. A bit weird for my Dalish and Loghain to become friends, but I think his banter with Dog will melt my Dalish and completely change her mind about him.

[mousestalker]

Zjarcal wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

Self-promotion: I wrote a fanfic about that very issue.

That was great!! I loved the letters especially the PS, PPS, PPPS!

Thank you!

[Sago_mulch]

how come everybody here either has a weird hair mod char and writes fan fic. you guys never post on the off topic forum.



loghain is the deepest char in dragonrage because every other char is something biowear has done before, i knew what the chars were like when i met them in the gayme. bioware, do please try and write something different other than a collective of dysfunctional chars(a few you get to have sexy time with), having the plot being driven by prefarably 3-4 big quests before you get to move onto endgame.



ever though of writing soap operas, Mr David Von Gaider?

[phaonica]

Addai67 wrote...

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I can't see a Dalish Elf caring that much about the City Elves to be honest. It's clear they dislike them.

Well that is why I say they wouldn't necessarily feel a kinship with the Night Elves, but you can RP it however you like.  The Dalish see themselves as guardians of the elven lore for all elves.  I tended to play my Dalish as having a slightly patronizing, compassionate outlook on city elves and very pissed off about the alienage slavery.  That is like, the ultimate confirmation of everything you've been taught as a Dalish elf that humans do to your kind if they have any kind of power.

Well after my CE left the alienage (thank the Maker!), he was shown oppression and slavery among the dwarves, the lasting and constant dislike of the dalish against the alienage elves and humans, the hatred that Zathrien carried, the containment of the mages, stories of places where humans and elves alike dealt with legal rapists ... it was hard to feel that the alienage elves were any more wronged than the others. This CE character actually didn't even bring up the slavery issue at the Landsmeet because he truely believed that no one there would care.

[Zjarcal]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...


Yay, Zjarcal! Have fun with the rest of your playthrough. I also intend to leave as much as possible for Loghain to do after I recruit him, including the orphanage quest and going back to Ostagar. Right now my Mage is in the Brecilian Forest, trying to help a bunch of extremely spiteful Dalish. <_< My thoughts when I started this playthrough had been to side with the Werewolves if I could find a reasonable RP situation to do so, and most of these Dalish seem determined to give me a reason.

I wish I had left RtO for after the Landsmeet on this playthrough, but I was too impatient and did it early. By the way, if RtO was done after the Landsmeet, would Cailan's body even be recognizable?

It is quite good, better than most ff I've read, though I mostly tend to stay away from ff as it either takes too many liberties with the source material or it just isn't written that well. Addai's story is written well, and from what I can tell it stays true to the source. I confess I have skipped over the parts that might delve too much into Loghain's and Maric's past, as I haven't read TST yet or had more than the standard conversations with Loghain in DA:O, and I don't want to be spoiled. But what I've read is good.

That's also why I'm a bit hesitant to read it, since I also haven't read the books.

And I agree about most FFs. They deviate from the source material way too much or are poorly written. But there are always exceptions.

[Morwen Eledhwen]

phaonica wrote...
This CE character actually didn't even bring up the slavery issue at the Landsmeet because he truely believed that no one there would care.

Mine did the same thing for exactly the same reason. It was the last thing she was going to bring up if she still needed arguments, but the Landsmeet was decided --in the Wardens' favor-- without her even having to mention it. She even thought that it might be a detriment to their cause to bring it up, as people might just think she was out for revenge or revolution or something. Alistair mentioned it, but no one took notice.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 10 octobre 2010 - 07:21 .

[Sarah1281]

And I agree about most FFs. They deviate from the source material way too much or are poorly written. But there are always exceptions.

Since anyone can write fanfiction, there are always going to be some bad ones. I know I've taken down most of what I wrote when I first started as I was only thirteen and that should really explain everything. Most of the fanfics that I've read have been at least decent and I spend a fair bit of time writing my own so, though I'm obviously biased, I tend to feel there are more good works out there than bad ones.

Of course, any time people start talking about how much fanfiction sucks, I do tend to get a bit defensive.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

And I agree about most FFs. They deviate from the source material way too much or are poorly written. But there are always exceptions.

Since anyone can write fanfiction, there are always going to be some bad ones. I know I've taken down most of what I wrote when I first started as I was only thirteen and that should really explain everything. Most of the fanfics that I've read have been at least decent and I spend a fair bit of time writing my own so, though I'm obviously biased, I tend to feel there are more good works out there than bad ones.

Of course, any time people start talking about how much fanfiction sucks, I do tend to get a bit defensive.

Well, yours is one of the exceptions. So are Addai's and most of the FFs written by the regulars in this forum. But there are plenty of other stinkers out there.

[Sago_mulch]

fan fic writers should write for money.

[Monica21]

Zjarcal wrote...
And I agree about most FFs. They deviate from the source material way too much or are poorly written. But there are always exceptions.

Hunting for good fanfic is an extremely tiresome exercise. Especially when it's late and you can't sleep and it's either that or read a textbook.

OT request, if anyone knows of any good Gilmore ff, feel free to PM me. 

[Morwen Eledhwen]

Zjarcal wrote. . .

That's also why I'm a bit hesitant to read it, since I also haven't read the books.

Well, Addai's ff keeps a lot of the backstory-related stuff separate, so you can read the bits about the relationship between Loghain and his new bride without being ambushed. Or if backstory-related stuff does creep in, it doesn't announce itself like "HEY, POSSIBLE SPOILER COMING UP" but it's obvious enough so that your eyes can skip over it.

And Addai, I hope you don't take offense that I am skipping bits of your ff. I wasn't going to read it at all except so many people from this thread liked it so much. I promise that when I no longer have fear of spoilers I'll go back and read the whole thing. 

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 10 octobre 2010 - 07:30 .

[Sarah1281]

Sago_mulch wrote...

fan fic writers should write for money.

I should ignore the troll, I know, but I cannot stand that kind of BS. Some ff writers do write for money, some ff writers don't want to write for money, some are trying to get better before they attempt to do just that. Why can't people just have fun writing without needing to make a ****ing living off of it? That's like saying that people shouldn't cook unless they want to be a chef, people shouldn't play sports unless they're going to be on a professional team, people shouldn't garden unless they're going to start a produce business.

[phaonica]

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

phaonica wrote...
This CE character actually didn't even bring up the slavery issue at the Landsmeet because he truely believed that no one there would care.

Mine did the same thing for exactly the same reason. It was the last thing she was going to bring up if she still needed arguments, but the Landsmeet was decided --in the Wardens' favor-- without her even having to mention it. She even thought that it might be a detriment to their cause to bring it up, as people might just think she was out for revenge or revolution or something. Alistair mentioned it, but no one took notice.

Exactly, the way he saw it, not only did he think that no one would care, but he wasn't going to play a victim card, especially since (like I said before) he couldn't even himself muster up outrage over it, let alone expect the Landsmeet to. This character was supporting Anora on the throne, and had an unhardened Alistair as an LI, and ended up executing Loghain because Alistair demanded it, and for no other reason.

[Zjarcal]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Sago_mulch wrote...

fan fic writers should write for money.

I should ignore the troll, I know, but I cannot stand that kind of BS. Some ff writers do write for money, some ff writers don't want to write for money, some are trying to get better before they attempt to do just that. Why can't people just have fun writing without needing to make a ****ing living off of it? That's like saying that people shouldn't cook unless they want to be a chef, people shouldn't play sports unless they're going to be on a professional team, people shouldn't garden unless they're going to start a produce business.

Sarah... ignore him. No point in arguing with BS arguments.

[mousestalker]

I do write for money. I make my living writing about law. I just don't write fanfic for money. I write fanfic for pleasure.



Back on the subject, what I love about Loghain is that he is absolutely unflinchingly honest to himself. When you discuss his misdeeds with him if you recruit him, he admits to them.

[Sarah1281]

phaonica wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

phaonica wrote...
This CE character actually didn't even bring up the slavery issue at the Landsmeet because he truely believed that no one there would care.

Mine did the same thing for exactly the same reason. It was the last thing she was going to bring up if she still needed arguments, but the Landsmeet was decided --in the Wardens' favor-- without her even having to mention it. She even thought that it might be a detriment to their cause to bring it up, as people might just think she was out for revenge or revolution or something. Alistair mentioned it, but no one took notice.

Exactly, the way he saw it, not only did he think that no one would care, but he wasn't going to play a victim card, especially since (like I said before) he couldn't even himself muster up outrage over it, let alone expect the Landsmeet to. This character was supporting Anora on the throne, and had an unhardened Alistair as an LI, and ended up executing Loghain because Alistair demanded it, and for no other reason.

I never bring it up either. It's not like my Wardens don't think anyone would care, they just don't get a chance to. The first thing they mention is the Blight, of course, as that's most pressing. Then it's the poisoning of Eamon since that shows that he's willing to poison nobles (like those voting) and it all pisses off the Chantry because of the blood mage Jowan and the imprisoning a templar. After that it's Howe's kidnapping and torturing of innocents which gets Sighard to mention how his son was taken and leaves the nobles at the Landsmeet wondering what he'd do to their family members. If he had let me go on and not started talking about Anora, I would have addressed the slavery after I was done scaring them with what kinds of things a lack of change could do to them.

[phaonica]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Sago_mulch wrote...

fan fic writers should write for money.

I should ignore the troll, I know, but I cannot stand that kind of BS. Some ff writers do write for money, some ff writers don't want to write for money, some are trying to get better before they attempt to do just that. Why can't people just have fun writing without needing to make a ****ing living off of it? That's like saying that people shouldn't cook unless they want to be a chef, people shouldn't play sports unless they're going to be on a professional team, people shouldn't garden unless they're going to start a produce business.

Aw, but he (or she?) didn't say that ff writers shouldn't write unless they can make some money on it. Maybe it was a compliment, like "some ff writers are so good, they should try to write professionally"?

Or maybe i'm incredibly trollable. 
 

[Morwen Eledhwen]

phaonica wrote...

Morwen Eledhwen wrote...

phaonica wrote...
This CE character actually didn't even bring up the slavery issue at the Landsmeet because he truely believed that no one there would care.

Mine did the same thing for exactly the same reason. It was the last thing she was going to bring up if she still needed arguments, but the Landsmeet was decided --in the Wardens' favor-- without her even having to mention it. She even thought that it might be a detriment to their cause to bring it up, as people might just think she was out for revenge or revolution or something. Alistair mentioned it, but no one took notice.

Exactly, the way he saw it, not only did he think that no one would care, but he wasn't going to play a victim card, especially since (like I said before) he couldn't even himself muster up outrage over it, let alone expect the Landsmeet to. This character was supporting Anora on the throne, and had an unhardened Alistair as an LI, and ended up executing Loghain because Alistair demanded it, and for no other reason.

My CE was ticked off about the slavery thing and definitely wanted to punish Loghain for it, but she would have accepted recruitment into the Grey Wardens as punishment (especially since he had lost the support of the Landsmeet and been deserted by his daughter already). Except that Alistair threw his hissy fit and my CE was in a relationship with him. . .so yeah. She executed him too.  But she didn't talk to Alistair after that except to (1) tell him that they didn't have a future together, (2) convince him to do the DR so that she wouldn't have to die killing the Archdemon, and (3) leave him at the gates for the final battle.

Modifié par Morwen Eledhwen, 10 octobre 2010 - 07:38 .

[Sarah1281]

Zjarcal wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

Sago_mulch wrote...

fan fic writers should write for money.

I should ignore the troll, I know, but I cannot stand that kind of BS. Some ff writers do write for money, some ff writers don't want to write for money, some are trying to get better before they attempt to do just that. Why can't people just have fun writing without needing to make a ****ing living off of it? That's like saying that people shouldn't cook unless they want to be a chef, people shouldn't play sports unless they're going to be on a professional team, people shouldn't garden unless they're going to start a produce business.

Sarah... ignore him. No point in arguing with BS arguments.

I hear that kind of 'logic' all the time. God knows whenever my parents hear or see anything that reminds them I write fanfiction they start talking about how much money JK Rowling made.

It's really one of my berserk buttons, I'm afraid.